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Eddie1965
03-26-2012, 8:55 PM
I purchased one of the 1000 round Perisan 8mm Mauser ammo crates from Samco. First of all Samco shipped the ammo in only the zinc case and not the wooden case which sucked, but since this is brass cased and brass jacketed I would be able to use it year round at the local outdoor ranges.

So fast forward to today and I'm up an Angeles and I load my VZ-24 and the first round goes click, one Mississippi, two Mississippi, bang! Next one is a dud. And after that every single round I fired (10 in total) had a very long hang fire. Needless to say that was all the shooting I did today.

Stay away at all costs!

SKSer45
03-26-2012, 9:04 PM
hmmm well it is 1950's right? I saw that on SAMCO...ehhh its 50/50 when it comes to old surplus stuff.

Pete1979
03-26-2012, 9:27 PM
I have some Radway Green .303 that does the same thing every few rounds or so, scary huh.
I used to have issues with Yugo 8mm with my VZ.24, had to hit some of them twice until I stripped, cleaned and lubed the bolt, that fixed it. I have some old turk 8mm on strippers, in bandoleers from the 50s that always, always goes bang but its magnetic...

rodngun762
03-26-2012, 9:35 PM
Thanks for the warning, that sucks. I wonder how their Iranian 30'06 is..

At least you can pull the bullets and sell them/reload.

Pete1979
03-26-2012, 9:38 PM
Pics of the head stamp and boxes would be nice, is it in 15rd boxes?

Caribouriver
03-26-2012, 9:43 PM
Knock on wood: I have had good luck with the Yugo brass non-magnetic surplus in German RC's and Czech mausers. Sorry to hear you have a bad batch.

Spiggy
03-26-2012, 9:48 PM
better a dud than a cookoff

Agustav
03-27-2012, 8:45 AM
Yugo ammo is GTG in my rifles (8mm, 7.62x54R, and 7.62x39).

Sorry about your experience with Persian ammo, and thank you for sharing!

Howie44
03-27-2012, 9:06 AM
Put a wolf firing pin spring in it. My '26 VZ24 would not fire yugo surplus on the first strike until I changed out the original spring.

7.62x63mmUS
03-27-2012, 1:48 PM
Thanks for the heads up. LONG hang fires are scary. Good to follow the count to 30 rule. Ive had a few click-bangs with Turk 8mm but nothing more than a second long.

AlabamaBound
03-27-2012, 4:10 PM
Thanks for the warning, I was considering ordering some...

Blitzburgh
03-27-2012, 5:24 PM
I had an old Yugo Mauser that would sometimes take 2 taps to get it to fire. Found out that the firing pin was just a slight bit short from all the years of use (and I'm sure abuse) and the primers were hard so the combination made for some interesting range trips. I think it was Yugo ammo... don't remember.

But I ended up shooting it all. Would just tap it and if it didn't go off... wait for a few seconds then quickly run the bolt up and down to recock the gun, then it would fire on the second tap.

Nothing like being a cheap skate ;)

rodngun762
03-27-2012, 5:47 PM
Click...BANG is different than just "click". A new firing spring will cure hard primers but this ammo the OP talks about is defective and dangerous.

Eddie1965
03-27-2012, 6:28 PM
Click...BANG is different than just "click". A new firing spring will cure hard primers but this ammo the OP talks about is defective and dangerous.

^This, if it was a hard primer issue I wouldn't have posted this until I swapped out the spring or pin. A couple of times I was already bringing the rifle down from my shoulder when they would go off. I really don't want to use this ammo again.

Pete1979
03-27-2012, 6:31 PM
+1, hang fires are scary...

louie
03-27-2012, 9:07 PM
The Persian ammo is from the 1930's and was made for the fine Czech made BRNO Mausers they had. The Mausers held up better than the ammo. Friend in AZ tested some and same story. 50% dud or hangfires from 3 different cases. J&G even posts it on their ad to expect duds.

Josh Smith
03-27-2012, 11:14 PM
Hello,

If you decide to pull the bullets, I might be interested as I have a Gewehr 88 I handload for. It cannot take full power ammo, being of a lighter action than the Mauser, but since it's "S" marked it does take the 0.323" bullet.

Regards,

Josh

C&Rtrader
03-28-2012, 9:13 AM
I was looking at some of that a while back. thank you for the post. Sorry you are stuck with the stuff. Hang fires a friggin scary.

Markus
03-30-2012, 1:01 PM
What about the yugo surplus from sgammo?

C&Rtrader
03-30-2012, 1:11 PM
What about the yugo surplus from sgammo?

hard primers.. no hang fires.

Markus
03-30-2012, 1:21 PM
So is there surplus that doesn't give problems? Or do I have to get some new ammo?

C&Rtrader
03-30-2012, 1:54 PM
if the yugo doesn't go "bang" the first time... clean the bolt on your mauser.. or get a new spring from wolff.. that has solved most of the problems from what i have read.

i shoot yugo generally without problem... 1 in 20 will go "click" ... the second time i hit it .. it always goes off.

deguello
03-30-2012, 4:03 PM
Some of the old overseas ammo was actually made for machine guns and do not perform well in bolt action or even semi auto weapons.

Eddie1965
03-30-2012, 6:48 PM
Samco sent me an empty crate, after i sent them an email, so now I have a cool crate with the Persian Lion on it but 990 rounds of crappy ammo.

Crunch130
03-30-2012, 7:03 PM
Pull it for the bullets and the powder. Start reloading.

Blitzburgh
03-30-2012, 7:08 PM
So is there surplus that doesn't give problems? Or do I have to get some new ammo?

Oh yea! Lots of it. I've had very good luck with any and all Yugo surplus, in any caliber, and I've been shooting some Romanian 8mm surplus - no issues with it. Just make sure to clean the rifle WELL after shooting because it's corrosive.

AIM and Centerfire Systems and lots of other companies are always getting some new surplus ammo in, just get on their mailing lists and check here or the Google before you buy it.

It's a whole lot cheaper than commercial ammo!

wtkaiser
03-31-2012, 7:21 PM
Maybe the uncertain quality is why it's so much cheaper. I had hangfires in my handloads for my 7mm Mag until I figured out that EVERY load needs magnum primers. They're no phun at all! You could actually hear the powder sizzling before it went off. So it'd be worth the extra shekels to me to get stuff that goes bang every time. That's if I bought my ammo...which I don't.

tujungatoes
03-31-2012, 7:36 PM
I was wondering how that stuff would perform...bummer:(

Armistice
04-19-2014, 5:13 PM
BUMP for my question instead of making a new thread

I was looking at the Iranian stuff from SG. Same problems?

Mssr. Eleganté
04-19-2014, 5:37 PM
...I was looking at the Iranian stuff from SG. Same problems?

Same ammo, same problems. To quote SG Ammo, "We have test fired this ammo and there are some reports of duds and hangfires in the mix, handle the firearm with care when you use this product if you expeience a hangfire or misfire."

NOTABIKER
04-19-2014, 7:00 PM
i just had a re barrel done on my 1918 Danzig Kar 98a. before i had it done i had a real problem with this ammo. now with a new firing pin spring [ i think 22 lbs ] and head space with new barrel i have only a few duds. but it still happens. i opened a pack of Egyptian and not one problem.

CaliB&R
04-19-2014, 7:01 PM
If its sunny, let them warm up a bit before firing, less hang time. But if you don't want them, I'm willing to buy some off you. I'm almost out of my supply and don't mind the hang fires. Good practice for maintaining sight picture in my opinion.

Bobby Ricigliano
04-19-2014, 7:17 PM
I am an 8mm Mauser ammo whore and I buy as much as I can afford. I never buy the Persian for this exact reason as the OP stated. Yugo, Romanian, old Natzee ammo, even Egyptian all works fine in a variety of Mausers. All of the Mausers I own now are near and dear and I don't want to blow them up or lose fingers or eyes.

NOTABIKER
04-20-2014, 1:06 PM
I just took another look at my surplus 8 mm. the head stamp has
FS the range is 1940- 1944 ? what is it ? thanks. Persian or Turkish ?

Cessnapilot89
04-20-2014, 3:01 PM
nobody has experienced hangfires until playing with Kynoch Martini Henry ammo

luckystrike
04-20-2014, 3:36 PM
did you spend any measurable amount of time researching that ammo? 10 seconds on google will tell you this stuff is a no-go.

Mssr. Eleganté
04-20-2014, 4:01 PM
I just took another look at my surplus 8 mm. the head stamp has
FS the range is 1940- 1944 ? what is it ? thanks. Persian or Turkish ?

The Turkish headstamp has F S then the year (usually late 1930's to early 1950's) and then T crescent moon and star C and then 7.92

99% of the Turkish 8mm is 154 grain and came in 70 round bandoleers on clips. There was also some unclipped 154 grain Turk that came in boxes. Then there was the 198 grain Turk that came in 60 round bandoleers on clips.

louie
04-20-2014, 4:26 PM
the Persian ammo from Samco and J&G, and SG Ammo are all the same stuff. Samco was the original importer. Some will go bang the first time, but poor storage really messed up the primers. It's nice looking ammo, too bad it doesn't work like it should. this is most likely the ammo for the Persian 1929 Brno made Mausers which are beautiful Mausers.

anti
04-20-2014, 5:35 PM
Hmm, a while ago I was thinking of buying this stuff from SGAmmo to feed my Turkish Mauser that I haven't fired yet. I'm glad I decided not to go through with the purchase. I guess I'll have to shoot some of my Yugo/Nazi surplus; would rather not, though.

Eddie1965
04-20-2014, 5:45 PM
Here is the headstamp of the Persian 8mm:

320115

It's a shame the hangfires are so long; this is non magnetic ammo. I'm down to about 700 rounds now. Putting them in the sun before shooting helped a little but did not eliminate the problem.

Cessnapilot89
04-20-2014, 5:49 PM
Would love to get 5 rounds of the persian ammo, not to shoot but just to have next to my persian mauser.

anti
04-20-2014, 5:55 PM
Would love to get 5 rounds of the persian ammo, not to shoot but just to have next to my persian mauser.

I'm the same way... I just like to have all or most of the goodies along with the guns to make it 'legit'. :)

Eddie1965
04-20-2014, 6:07 PM
The case is awesome

320122

If you guys (Cessna & Anti) ever make it my neck of the woods, I'll give you 5 rounds each. I too like to have all kinds of accessories with my firearms.

Pricate
04-20-2014, 6:37 PM
Its Iranian/Persian. We say in the surplus world, "You have not lived till you have shot Persian ammo." ;) Now you have lived. It is very scary indeed.:eek: Like others were saying, because of improper storage, they are mostly junk. Good for pulling the rounds and reloading. Because it is berdan primed, you cannot put a boxer primer in it. You would have to make a primer puller for the berdan primer. Best bet is to pull all the bullets and sell the cases. Save the bullets for reloading. You can make a little money back if you sell the brass. The surplus to look for is 1950s Yugo (corrosive) and Portuguese 8mm Mauser. (non corrosive.) Turk is good stuff but as always check each round for split necks or loose bullets. Do not fire those!

NOTABIKER
04-21-2014, 5:36 AM
The Turkish headstamp has F S then the year (usually late 1930's to early 1950's) and then T crescent moon and star C and then 7.92

99% of the Turkish 8mm is 154 grain and came in 70 round bandoleers on clips. There was also some unclipped 154 grain Turk that came in boxes. Then there was the 198 grain Turk that came in 60 round bandoleers on clips.

thank you, i am sure it is corrosive ?. So is the turk ammo much better than the Iranian.

Pricate
04-21-2014, 7:09 AM
Its is a little better than Iranian. There were some really bad years of Turk ammo. Mine is 1942 and it is great. Only had one non fire and about 20 split cases out of a 1000. Like people where saying, if you are not going to reload; get some of the Romanian ammo in the tin. Its good stuff, less grains, (less kick) and it always go bang. IMO

Sutcliffe
04-21-2014, 7:12 AM
Reason I ask is this:
My Enfield doesn't seem to hit with enough force to ignite many of my Pakistani Cordite surplus from the 60's. My brother's No 5 hits the same stuff with enough to ignite every time.

NOTABIKER
04-21-2014, 8:34 AM
did you spend any measurable amount of time researching that ammo? 10 seconds on google will tell you this stuff is a no-go.

YOU ARE SO STRICT :p

bloodhawke83
04-21-2014, 8:50 AM
Wollf spring.............you can still shoot those "duds" once you replace it.

Rugersworld
04-22-2014, 8:21 AM
If you reload, pull the bullets, dump the powder into new case with new primer and seat bullet.
Its the primers that are the problem. I have done almost 450 rounds in the past like that after I bought that crap.

6mmintl
04-22-2014, 8:48 AM
Seems to me that about 30-40% of these issues (double/light? strikes) can be cured by simple cleaning of internal bolt parts, polishing firing pin/spring wear/ma\ting surfaces, and checking firing pin protrusion.

Short "too Little" firing pin protrusion can be easily corrected by machining a few .001's" off of firing pin stop shoulder.

Seems everyone immediately goes to the "Replace firing pin with heavier spring" mode before performing a simple maintenance procedure.