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G17GUY
04-16-2007, 9:03 PM
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/17/america/NA-GEN-US-University-Shootings-McCain.php

jumbopanda
04-16-2007, 9:18 PM
He seems to flip-flop a little from time to time, but I'd say he's more pro-2A than Guiliani and Romney.

hoffmang
04-16-2007, 9:23 PM
His efforts in campaign finance reform are to the 1st amendment what Dianne Fienstien is to the Second.

-Gene

tman
04-16-2007, 10:06 PM
His efforts in campaign finance reform are to the 1st amendment what Dianne Fienstien is to the Second.

-Gene
Agreed.

On top of that, he's a gun grabber.

Time for the old man to retire anyway.

berto
04-16-2007, 10:11 PM
I prefer McCain to Rudy and Romney but his campaign finance crusade is dead wrong and his kissing up to the intolerant jackasses that smeared him in 2000 is disgusting. I don't know what other realistic option I have among the republicans and I can't fathom voting for any of the democrats. Richardson seems like an option but I'm not sure he'd stand up to the grabbers in his own party if he wins and they keep congress.

hoffmang
04-16-2007, 10:13 PM
Fred Thompson.

-Gene

Hillbillly
04-16-2007, 10:13 PM
Just another politician.
It's amazing that no one thinks about these pieces of his past.

Keating Five controversy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Controversies

Time for the old man to retire

Dont Tread on Me
04-16-2007, 10:19 PM
His efforts in campaign finance reform are to the 1st amendment what Dianne Fienstien is to the Second.


Spot on and very well expressed. The notion that the NRA cannot contact non members during the 60 day period before an election blows the first amendment.

However, this article puts him back on my Christmas card list.

dfletcher
04-16-2007, 10:38 PM
Considering the events of today, I think it is unfortunate we have no major party pro-gun Presidential candidate in 2008. I don't consider McCain, Guiliani or Romney pro - gun, more like they're gun neutral. Unfortunately pro 2nds like Thompson or Huckabee haven't picked up much $$$ or support.

Much as I'd like to support McCain - he's definitely got guts, his grandfather & mine graduated the Naval Academy together & served in WWII - his position on guns, immigration & his campaign bill are major issues for me.

Wulf
04-16-2007, 10:48 PM
The thing you cant forget about McCain is something that cant be seen or quantified. And that's the conservative Judges we DID NOT get because of McCain's gang or 14 stunt.

CalNRA
04-16-2007, 11:54 PM
what Gene said

CALI-gula
04-17-2007, 12:05 AM
Besides the fact that McCain is Anti-2nd Amendment AS WELL AS Anti-1st Amendment, he has the temper of a badger with rabies, and will go off with little provocation - I think he'd be the first president since WWII to actually use nuclear weapons, though Kennedy came really dang close.

I really don't trust his temper or his misguided vengence - and he seems apprehensive in his old age, and as if he wants to play both ends of the field just to be "well liked".

He and Al Gore should retire - completely!

.

Huevos Machaca
04-17-2007, 7:41 AM
Bill Richardson

brando
04-17-2007, 8:28 AM
Back in the 2000 race, I really liked Mcain because he did go against the grain and at least to me came across as a moderate and not a Christian Conservative the way Bush did. Flashforward seven years and now he's flip-flopped so bad, it's a joke. He's ****ing pandering to the ultra-conservative base now. I've lost nearly every bit of respect I had for the guy.
I'm crossing my fingers for Bill Richardson, personally.


I tell you what, 2008 is looking to be the worst line-ups of candidates I think I've ever seen.

MrTuffPaws
04-17-2007, 8:57 AM
He's a worm.

xenophobe
04-17-2007, 9:14 AM
Rudy is a better candidate than McCain... McCain has been trying and losing for so long, who knows what his real positions will be, except that he won't be 2nd Amendment friendly.

At least Rudy may steer right from his liberal republican leanings. McCain has been all over the map for political expediency.

Romney is just full of crap.

Thompson... he's great. But who is he? That's why he won't be elected.

Wulf
04-17-2007, 10:09 AM
Thompson... he's great. But who is he? That's why he won't be elected.

What are you talking about. He's the wise, always right, DA guy on Law and Order. I'd bet amongst the squishy middle that only pays attention to politics 2 weeks before the election he has better face recognition than any other canidate by 2x. If he can get the same people that voted for GW, I think his LnO exposure alone will put him over the top by a handy margin.

CALI-gula
04-17-2007, 10:45 AM
What are you talking about. He's the wise, always right, DA guy on Law and Order. I'd bet amongst the squishy middle that only pays attention to politics 2 weeks before the election he has better face recognition than any other canidate by 2x. If he can get the same people that voted for GW, I think his LnO exposure alone will put him over the top by a handy margin.


Are you kidding? This is the age of American Idol, Next Top Model, Paris Hilton, young leading male actors so "pretty" that they could pass for female, and the realm of botox injection parties replacing Tupperware parties as far inland as mid-west suburbia.

I like Thompson too, but he is too ugly to win. I would be willing to bet that the majority of unaware America, only voting during the presidential election, knowing nothing about the candidates, will vote for the "more handsome" or "cuter" guy. (Some even take it a step further and vote based on their wives' fashion or looks.)

I would go further to say that is the reason for about 50% of the winning candidate's total votes.

(By the way - remember him in the film "No Way Out" ?)

.

mikehaas
04-18-2007, 8:03 AM
(Aug 1999) McCAIN ON GUNS
http://nrawinningteam.com/mccain1.html

(Oct 2000) McCain-Lautenberg?
http://nrawinningteam.com/0010/mccain.html

(Feb 2001) McCain-Lieberman Gun Show Bill?
http://nrawinningteam.com/0102/gunshowbill.html

(March 2001) Debate Over Campaign Finance "Reform" Heats Up
http://nrawinningteam.com/0103/cfr.html

(March 2001) McCain-Feingold Legislation Continues To Pose Serious Threat
http://nrawinningteam.com/0103/cfr2.html

(May 2001) Senator McCain On The Big Screen
http://nrawinningteam.com/0105/mccain.html

(May 2001) Lieberman-McCain Gun Show "Compromise" Introduced
http://nrawinningteam.com/0105/gunshow.html

(Nov 2001) McCain Announces Anti-Gun Show Campaign Will Be Revived In January
http://nrawinningteam.com/0111/mccain.html

Mike

mblat
04-18-2007, 8:32 AM
Are you kidding? This is the age of American Idol, Next Top Model, Paris Hilton, young leading male actors so "pretty" that they could pass for female, and the realm of botox injection parties replacing Tupperware parties as far inland as mid-west suburbia.

I like Thompson too, but he is too ugly to win. I would be willing to bet that the majority of unaware America, only voting during the presidential election, knowing nothing about the candidates, will vote for the "more handsome" or "cuter" guy. (Some even take it a step further and vote based on their wives' fashion or looks.)

I would go further to say that is the reason for about 50% of the winning candidate's total votes.

(By the way - remember him in the film "No Way Out" ?)

.

I hear you. You are so right, it is scary. I know of several people who voted for Bush or Kerry based only and only they way they look, without watching debates, without really knowing their respective positions....

PressCheck
04-18-2007, 9:28 AM
Run Fred, Run.

Yankee Clipper
04-18-2007, 10:15 AM
I agree with Gene that Thompson would, if elected, be our best bet but he may also be hurt by this revelation published a few days ago:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A doctor for former Sen. Fred Thompson announced Wednesday that the possible presidential candidate was diagnosed in 2004 with a form of lymphoma -- a cancer that begins in cells of the immune system -- and that it is currently in remission.
"Right now, he has no evidence of disease," said Dr. Bruce D. Cheson, head of hematology in the division of hematology/oncology at Georgetown University Hospital in Washington. Many such patients "can live a normal life span," he said.
Cheson described his 64-year-old patient's disease as an "indolent lymphoma -- slow growing." (Watch the doctor talk about living "as normal as possible" )
Patients with this form of disease "can live a normal, productive life, often dying from unrelated causes," Cheson said. He described Thompson's prognosis as "very favorable."

mcubed4130
04-18-2007, 11:29 AM
Historically speaking... The US hates to have all branches of government run by the same party. So if it came down to it... McCain vs. Hillary... (which is my mind are completely equal except the R or D letters in front of their names).

I'd vote for Hillary...

As it would be more likely, that the sheep'ile would get PO'd that the Dems run everything... and the Republicans then in the face of their own annihilation - would actually DO something.

-M3

Wulf
04-18-2007, 11:35 AM
Wow, You're an optimist.

leelaw
04-18-2007, 12:25 PM
McCain is a RINO

mcubed4130
04-18-2007, 12:49 PM
Wow, You're an optimist.

:) Well I don't know if I'm a true optimist... but when faced with the decision of a "Republican In Name Only" - who obviously trashes the 1st, 2nd, or any other amendment or law - whenever he wants...

vs. a power hungry socialist (or communist) - who is willing to trash the 1st, 2nd, or any other amendment or law - whenever she wants...

I'd rather be sitting in the seat - able to blame 100% of the failures on the Democrats! :D

-M3