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TheExpertish
03-18-2012, 1:58 PM
So ever since I saw Quigley Down Under the Sharps has captured my attention. More recently the carbine show in the remake of True Grit has brought the Sharps back to the forefront. Who has one, original or replica, and tell me about it. Pics are always a plus.

John Browning
03-18-2012, 2:05 PM
Sharps "Slant Breech", the original. .44 Caliber straight out of 1853.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/DSC_0448.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/DSC_0444.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/DSC_0419.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/DSC_0388.jpg

toby
03-18-2012, 2:06 PM
I had one, a Pedersoli 45-70 it was a terrific gun I bought it for the Nostalgia and a Bison hunt that never transpired...:( the Pedersoli is the best Italian copy of the Original next to The Montana rifle Co. called Shiloh Sharps. I sold it here on CG about two years ago.

GOEX FFF
03-18-2012, 2:07 PM
scobun, ^^ Beeeautiful!

I've always preferred the "used but not abused" condition.

TRAP55
03-18-2012, 2:34 PM
My 1874 Sharps Business rifle that was given to me by a friend for restoring a closet full of rifles he had. It was broke, and I got it in a coffee can full of parts. Took about 8 years to restore it. Sharps .45 2 10th", had a Shilen .45 cal match barrel made to exact specs of the original, chambered in .45/70. Packed the original in grease.
Thankfully he remembered the story that went with it when his dad gave it to him.
His dad was best buddy to a man named Bill Grinnell, a retired Canadian Mountie. During his colorful career, he was also Teddy Roosevelt's hunting guide. TR gave him the rifle from his own collection of firearms.
I ran into a guy at a Pomona gunshow that had written a book on TR's guns. After flipping through the pics of his guns, I asked if TR owned a Sharps, and he pulled out an old picture of TR and Bill standing over a dead lion, and Bill holding the 1874 Sharps Business Rifle.
I could see he was also wearing an old Colt revolver on his belt. When I got home, I went over to see Gary and tell him about it. He tells me he thinks he has that Colt in a trunk his dad had packed away.
We go digging and drag out a 1878 Colt double action that looked like it had been dipped in molasses. It was about 1/8th inch thick coating of varnish! Took it home, pulled the grips, and dropped it in a can of carb cleaner. When I got it all cleaned up, it was in like mint condition, chambered in .44 Russian. Serial number was 778, 1st year of production. Under that was another serial number... stamped alongside RCMP. Never could talk him out of that one.:(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Sharps003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Sharps002.jpg

Eddy's Shooting Sports
03-18-2012, 2:47 PM
I have two original sharps sporting rifles in the shop right now. One rechambered to 405 win with a double set trigger. Pretty much no original finish but an ok bore and nice metal. The other is a .40 2 5/8 that has an older re-blue and a poor bore, but a reasonable price. :-)

Cheers!


Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 W 12-9 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

OldShooter32
03-18-2012, 3:08 PM
I have a "Quigley" Shiloh Sharpes in .45-110 -- can't hit a bucket at 900 yards off-hand like he does, but it is a lot of fun to shoot and it shoots better than I can!
Nice rifle and georgeous besides.

TheExpertish
03-18-2012, 3:17 PM
My 1874 Sharps Business rifle that was given to me by a friend for restoring a closet full of rifles he had. It was broke, and I got it in a coffee can full of parts. Took about 8 years to restore it. Sharps .45 2 10th", had a Shilen .45 cal match barrel made to exact specs of the original, chambered in .45/70. Packed the original in grease.
Thankfully he remembered the story that went with it when his dad gave it to him.
His dad was best buddy to a man named Bill Grinnell, a retired Canadian Mountie. During his colorful career, he was also Teddy Roosevelt's hunting guide. TR gave him the rifle from his own collection of firearms.
I ran into a guy at a Pomona gunshow that had written a book on TR's guns. After flipping through the pics of his guns, I asked if TR owned a Sharps, and he pulled out an old picture of TR and Bill standing over a dead lion, and Bill holding the 1874 Sharps Business Rifle.
I could see he was also wearing an old Colt revolver on his belt. When I got home, I went over to see Gary and tell him about it. He tells me he thinks he has that Colt in a trunk his dad had packed away.
We go digging and drag out a 1878 Colt double action that looked like it had been dipped in molasses. It was about 1/8th inch thick coating of varnish! Took it home, pulled the grips, and dropped it in a can of carb cleaner. When I got it all cleaned up, it was in like mint condition, chambered in .44 Russian. Serial number was 778, 1st year of production. Under that was another serial number... stamped alongside RCMP. Never could talk him out of that one.:(
Stories like that is why I love being a historian.
I have a "Quigley" Shiloh Sharpes in .45-110 -- can't hit a bucket at 900 yards off-hand like he does, but it is a lot of fun to shoot and it shoots better than I can!
Nice rifle and georgeous besides.
That's what I was thinking of getting as a shooter. Would love to collect originals at some point.

bplvr
03-18-2012, 3:57 PM
Pedersoli Sharps Deluxe in a very nice case with engraving and a French Coin finish.....made in 1988 , unfired.

TheExpertish
03-18-2012, 4:23 PM
Pedersoli Sharps Deluxe in a very nice case with engraving and a French Coin finish.....made in 1988 , unfired.

That looks too nice to shoot. I'd have to fire it anyway.

pyromensch
03-18-2012, 5:40 PM
thanks for the thread :( ,

i was just looking at these rifles, the day before yesterday, and the ruger #1, lyman centennial, and i couldn't afford them then, now 2 days later.....nope can't afford them.....but still want, any one of them:drool5:

bruceflinch
03-18-2012, 6:38 PM
Original Sharps Model 1863 in 50-70 Govt. Found in the attic of a house my Dad lived in back in Michigan.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/DSC_0005M.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/DSC_0009.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/DSC_0019.jpg

Tried to sell it a couple times, but now that I'm into C&R's, :p

toby
03-18-2012, 6:45 PM
Wholey Bat crap Bruce! ;) that is quite a piece of History and to have found it, WOW!

TheExpertish
03-18-2012, 6:48 PM
I want an old house with guns in it.

Alan Block
03-18-2012, 9:26 PM
in 45/70. Ive never really been happy with it.

ElvenSoul
03-18-2012, 9:34 PM
Way back in 1998 I sold a non firing 38/90 for $800 that I had inherited. Don't feel bad I kept the Krag!

ElvenSoul
03-18-2012, 9:39 PM
Way back in 1998 I sold a non firing 38/90 for $800 that I had inherited. Don't feel bad I kept the Krag!

TRAP55
03-19-2012, 8:08 AM
Scobun, That's an early Sporting Model, rare to find in that condition! Can you post some close ups of the rear sight?

Bruce, I believe yours is one of the early percussion to cartridge conversions. Have you shot it yet? If you do, you won't think about selling it again.:)

For you guys with original Sharps Rifles, you need to see if a factory letter is available on it. Richard Labowski, Phone (215) 748 1376, has all the remaining factory letters, give him a call to see if your serial number is available. Not only will it give you some history on your rifle, it increases the value of it too.

bruceflinch
03-19-2012, 8:25 AM
Bruce, I believe yours is one of the early percussion to cartridge conversions. Have you shot it yet? If you do, you won't think about selling it again.:)

For you guys with original Sharps Rifles, you need to see if a factory letter is available on it. Richard Labowski, Phone (215) 748 1376, has all the remaining factory letters, give him a call to see if your serial number is available. Not only will it give you some history on your rifle, it increases the value of it too.

Yes it is! It also has a liner in the barrel. I have shot the gun. Pleasantly surprised at the mild recoil. Kind of a "rolling" feeling, not a jolt at all.
@ $3.00 a round 10 years ago, I haven't bought anymore ammo. But I saved the Brass of course!

Thanks for the name & number Trap!

TRAP55
03-19-2012, 8:39 AM
Here's some eye candy for Sharps fans.
Model 1851, serial number 400, with a Maynard tape primer feed. Belongs to a friend that had it handed down to him from his grandfather. I still need to get "after" pics, these were taken after I got enough crud off to ID it. I had to knock a mud wasp nest out of the bore, that turned out to be like factory new and shiny.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Picture018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Picture017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Picture014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Picture013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/Picture012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/TRAP55/primers2.jpg

Emdawg
03-19-2012, 12:34 PM
I have a EMF/Pedersoli Sharps in 45-70 gov't. It is one of my favorite rifles. Maybe it's me or the sights, but it often shoots 5 to 6 feet low, but I love shooting it!

bplvr
03-19-2012, 12:41 PM
Where is the "ADD to CART " thingy on this thread ??
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TMC
03-19-2012, 1:02 PM
I have a Pedersoli Quigley replica in 45-120, 34" barrel, vernier sights and fantastic double set trigger. Once the first trigger is set the second breaks like glass at 3/4lb on my digital gauge.

jyo
03-19-2012, 1:11 PM
Over the decades of my gun habit, I have owned three Shiloh Sharps rifles;
An early Farmingdale NY .54 black powder carbine---lots of fun---the only black powder gun I have ever owned.
A 45-70 straight-stock carbine that I got with the idea of sending it back to the factory for a longer barrel---never happened---a fellow made me an offer too good to not accept.
Finally, and rarest of all, a "Sharps Set"---consisting of a Freedom Arms 454 revolver and a matching 454 Sharps carbine in a fitted case. These were serial numbered the same and I had heard that they were going to make quite a few but only made seven sets---I don't know the true number made but I saw the same set I owned offered for sale on Gun Broker as "unfired." I know that both myself and it's previous owner (a Rock-Star) had shot both guns many times. This is one set of guns I truly regret selling, but it was a time when I needed the money. Oh well...

Dark Sky Solutions
03-19-2012, 1:18 PM
Dang It Expertish!!!!

Now u got me drooling!!!!

bplvr
03-19-2012, 2:12 PM
Here is my .54 Pedersoli Carbine and 2 fellows who just won at an auction an
original Berdan Sharps.Only 25 are known to exist. I think they paid $14,900 for it.

TheExpertish
03-19-2012, 3:22 PM
Dang It Expertish!!!!

Now u got me drooling!!!!

Want to do a Shilo Sharps group buy and make a run to Montana and back?

Musashi
03-19-2012, 3:27 PM
Im down for the trip lol. this thread got me interested in blackpowder again...

Want to do a Shilo Sharps group buy and make a run to Montana and back?

wtkaiser
03-19-2012, 3:30 PM
I have an ARMI SPORT 1874 replica, and it has a busted triggger, I think. Have to see the 'smith. It's as heavy as sin, and even so, that .45-70 round, loaded warmish, can belt me around like I wasn't even there. I was thinking of taking it on an elk hunt 11 years ago. Never went, and it's just as well....the hunting party got hit with warm weather and never saw a critter. They were all way up in the hills.
My double-set trigger, which is NOT adjustable for release pressure in the set mode, is ridiculously light. Once set, I'd be genuinely surprised if it took an ounce of pressure to set it off. I just lay my finger on it and think about it going off, and it does. While it has never, ever gone off accidentally, it has gone off before I wanted it to. Can gunsmiths tweak a trigger like that?

6mmintl
03-19-2012, 6:00 PM
WTKaiser

Your trigger can be tuned and then reset for letoff, one of the problems I keep hearing about armi Sport is their soft metal parts. This may be part of the problem, maybe not, just parts never assembled properly and screws loctighted.

If your in Northern Cal I can look at it with you to determine cause/corrective action.

I have three Pedersoli's and even they need tuning and resetup.

Ive got a Quigley Pedersoli Ill be selling as I cannot shoot them all along with my Martini's and peabody.

mls343
03-19-2012, 7:28 PM
Trapp55 - wow, just WOW!

That - is one fine Sharps! Hardly EVER see them in that configuration.

Very special and thanks for sharing...

Btw - not sure if most know how rare that really is.

TRAP55
03-19-2012, 8:33 PM
Trapp55 - wow, just WOW!

That - is one fine Sharps! Hardly EVER see them in that configuration.

Very special and thanks for sharing...

Btw - not sure if most know how rare that really is.
Rare enough I didn't what it was when it was handed to me!:confused:
There were less than 1600 made, with only a couple hundred known to still exist. Pretty cool to hold a Sharps rifle, that Christian Sharps actually had hands on assembling.:)

jmsenk
03-19-2012, 10:52 PM
Now I want to watch Quiqley Down Under again... and might have to check out Valdez is Coming. Wish finances made me more able to get into collecting.

scrat
03-20-2012, 12:41 PM
Hands down Best Rifle Ever Made.

pyromensch
03-20-2012, 7:38 PM
Original Sharps Model 1863 in 50-70 Govt. Found in the attic of a house my Dad lived in back in Michigan.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/DSC_0005M.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/DSC_0009.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/Bruceflinch/My%20Guns/DSC_0019.jpg

Tried to sell it a couple times, but now that I'm into C&R's, :p

50, is always better than 45, unless you are looking for factory ammo :)

pyromensch
03-20-2012, 7:40 PM
Now I want to watch Quiqley Down Under again... and might have to check out Valdez is Coming. Wish finances made me more able to get into collecting.

also check out "tom horn"

pyromensch
03-20-2012, 7:43 PM
in 45/70. Ive never really been happy with it.

are you looking to part with it?

and i won't mention, (do you reload?), because you might not want to part with it.

TheExpertish
03-21-2012, 7:19 AM
Was just watching Pixar's "Up" last night and noticed towards the end Muntz uses a Sharps 1874.

6mmintl
03-22-2012, 1:46 PM
Here's my posse.
All Pedersoli 1874's, I tuned up all the locks and set triggers.

Top one is in 45-70 with Pedersoli rear/Browning BPCR spirit level front sight.

Middle one is custom build "Sonny France" barreled 1874 military with Browning BPCR rear sight in 40-65

Bottom one is a nice long barreled I beleive Quigley model with "Coined finish and pewter nosecap in 45-70, has Browning BPCR rear sight and Browning BPCR spirit level front sight Ill be selling this one if anyone is interested.

Also have a Martini iin 45-70 and Swiss Vetterli CF for sale

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/24008199/401733736.jpg

bplvr
03-22-2012, 2:12 PM
Here's my posse.
All Pedersoli 1874's, I tuned up all the locks and set triggers.

Top one is in 45-70 with Pedersoli rear/Browning BPCR spirit level front sight.

Middle one is custom build "Sonny France" barreled 1874 military with Browning BPCR rear sight in 40-65

Bottom one is a nice long barreled I beleive Quigley model with "Coined finish and pewter nosecap in 45-70, has Browning BPCR rear sight and Browning BPCR spirit level front sight Ill be selling this one if anyone is interested.

Also have a Martini iin 45-70 and Swiss Vetterli CF for sale

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/24008199/401733736.jpg

The bottom one is a Billy Dixon.The Quigly has a patchbox.

toby
03-22-2012, 4:43 PM
^^^^ Above , Thats a nice trio, I really like the bottom one.......:iagree: