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milotrain
03-15-2012, 4:11 PM
I've wanted both for a very long time. I don't want them for any specific purpose other than for fun. I've got an AR and a .22lr bolt gun.

Throw me some arguments both ways. I won't get an M1 that's not Service Grade Special so it's not really cheaper than a model 70. I reload for .223 already so it's easy and cheap for me to have supplies for .22-250 lying around.

Ready? Fight!

bloodhawke83
03-15-2012, 4:13 PM
theres tons of surplus 30.06, you can reload them too. I got around 2000 that I have shot yet, maybe next month and then I can reload them. There no shoulder recoil on a M1 Garand.

milotrain
03-15-2012, 4:40 PM
theres tons of surplus 30.06, you can reload them too. I got around 2000 that I have shot yet, maybe next month and then I can reload them. There no shoulder recoil on a M1 Garand.

I don't want a .22-250 because of light recoil, and I've shot a Garand and while not punishing they do kick. I'm thinking I might be happy with a service grade which makes it much cheaper than a model 70 featherweight. But the pills for a .22-250 are the same as for a .223 and I buy them in such bulk that the price goes way down. Makes shooting them cost almost nothing, where as 30-06 while fun would cost a lot because I'd need other powder, other pills and other primers.

russt
03-15-2012, 4:42 PM
M1 garand you also get to own a piece of history.

Eljay
03-15-2012, 4:55 PM
Have you shot a Garand? They're a ton of fun.

milotrain
03-15-2012, 5:04 PM
I've shot a Garand
I agree they are fun.

Grand +2 points (fun and historic)
.22-250 +2 points (cheaper to shoot and I don't have a center fire bolt gun)

bloodhawke83
03-15-2012, 5:32 PM
Still .22-250 is the same bullet as a .223, I'd rather have a 30.06 since I can always go down the road to .308 and have the same bullet. .22-250 is still a large primer, same as the 30.06. You'll have a little higher cost on the .22-250 compared to the .223, 30.06 just uses 10 to 20 more of powder.

w55
03-15-2012, 5:35 PM
Garand!! History, cool gun, fun to shoot. Always pick up a current gun later, go with the oldie.

milotrain
03-15-2012, 7:48 PM
Didn't know that .22-250 uses a large primer. That's important. The cost savings is precicely because the .22-250 and .223 use the same bullet. I guess the presence of cheap stock .30-06 ammo sort of outweighs the small increase in reloading cost. Also looks like I can use the same powder for .223 as for .30-06.

Ok. Garand it is. ...If I get the raise.

mls343
03-15-2012, 8:02 PM
Dang, I love the 22-250 especially for ground squirrels. However, I would still get the Garand as once they are gone, that's it. It's a beautiful piece of American history.

Tanner68
03-15-2012, 8:03 PM
You should get the Garand, as you will have a more well rounded battery. It is a great gun, has lots of history, is worthy of many rolls to this day (a good full bore battle rifle, big game hunting, high power matches, etc.), and may not be so easy or affordable to get in the future.

milotrain
03-15-2012, 8:34 PM
Fine fine fine. It's a garand. Now you have to stop talking or I'm going to get one before I get a raise and then I'll be poor.

elsolo
03-15-2012, 8:34 PM
Do you have any intended use for either?
Garand is a fun gun, at least mine is. That just means I have no use for it other than zinging a couple clips and thinking "That was fun." More just a dust collector in my safe. They aren't rare, there will always be a large supply of Garands for sale until the day I die.

I think I would have more fun with a .22-250 nowadays, I could at least use it for varminting or accurate target shooting.

The cost of .30-06 isn't getting cheaper, reloading it will cost very slightly more than .22-250 just due to bullet costs, and brass won't last as long.

The .22-250 is a barrel burner, but you could rechamber it in any .308win based cartridge if the .22 gets old.

Figure out what you will do with either one other than simply own it.

milotrain
03-15-2012, 8:43 PM
I don't want them for any specific purpose other than for fun.

I don't care about zombies, I don't care about the apocalypse, I don't hunt anymore. I like machines, I like accuracy, and I shoot Highpower. I don't need to shoot Highpower with the Garand as the ar is in service spec. I've wanted a bolt gun with a simple fixed power scope and I've wanted a Garand. I also want a lever gun in .357 and a single shot falling block in .45-70.

There is nothing that I have planed to "do" with either. My 22 was a fun plinker but I didn't buy it for that. The AR is the only gun I ever bought for a purpose. I've kept every gun I've ever bought for no purpose and sold one of the two guns I bought for a purpose. I find a purpose when I shoot the thing or I sell it. I guess that means garand because I'll be able to sell it for what I bought it.

elsolo
03-15-2012, 8:49 PM
Only you can decide which will be more "FUN" so what are you hoping to get out of this thread?

milotrain
03-15-2012, 8:59 PM
I got what I was trying to get. I made a decision thanks to this thread. My reasoning for the .22-250 was semi unsound which I didn't realize until people pointed it out. This made the interest fall in the garand's favor.

Red Devil
03-15-2012, 9:19 PM
Get a CMP Service Grade Garand.


They are comin' out near new lately, and very soon they will be gone.

You can always sell it later for what ya spent on it.

Capybara
03-15-2012, 9:24 PM
Will you be able to get a CMP Garand in that nice a shape for that price in a year or two? Maybe but maybe not. You can always get a varmint rifle but Garands, while there are plenty of them around, will go up in price once the CMP goes dry. I am buying at least two this year.

Dan

russ69
03-15-2012, 10:37 PM
The 22-250 is just another rifle, the Garand is a piece of history (and a ton of fun to shoot, especially for a highpower guy).