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harmoniums
03-15-2012, 8:58 AM
First person to make a white flag joke will be banished to Corsica.

Actually heres the thing about Corsica, when Napoleon was banished there, where did he hide his armies?































up his sleevies!!!!



heres my antique 1892 revolver mades in St Etienne in 1894.


IOVEsKIft1M

furyous68
03-15-2012, 9:06 AM
No pic?

Flyin Brian
03-15-2012, 9:10 AM
In before the "only dropped once" idiots.

harmoniums
03-15-2012, 9:12 AM
No pic?

Theres a youtube video, are you on a phone?
if so heres the direct link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOVEsKIft1M

a1c
03-15-2012, 9:26 AM
Nice! Been looking for a deal on one of those revolvers for a long time. Someday...

7.62x63mmUS
03-15-2012, 9:52 AM
I had a chance to handle a Lebel rifle a few weeks ago and the bolt mechanism appeared to have similarities to the Mosin Nagant. Any truth to this or a coincidence?

harmoniums
03-15-2012, 11:16 AM
I had a chance to handle a Lebel rifle a few weeks ago and the bolt mechanism appeared to have similarities to the Mosin Nagant. Any truth to this or a coincidence?

Glennsche will let weigh in on this, I do know that you need a screwdriver to take it out though!

mike_the_wino
03-15-2012, 11:24 AM
In before the "only dropped once" idiots.
Puh-lease...that joke is for Italian service rifles. :p

the86d
03-15-2012, 11:35 AM
Do they not come with hot-pink silk scarves any longer?

Paulie Lugnuts
03-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Jokes about the French? Why are the roads in France lined with trees? Germans prefer to march in the shade.
Here's our only French gun, a MAS36.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg135/paulruggeri/Picture094.jpg

emcon5
03-15-2012, 1:32 PM
In before the "only dropped once" idiots.

You forgot "Never fired" :D

Actually the worst one I ever heard (and may have repeated....) was after invasion of Iraq:

I truly hope that our troops swing by Paris on the way home for some R&R. I imagine it would be refreshing for the french women to sleep with a winner for a change that doesn't call her Frauline.:43:

Dr.Mauser
03-15-2012, 1:34 PM
Don't have one atm but I'm am looking hard for a 5rd berthier carbine.

vivelacolo
03-15-2012, 3:55 PM
Few pictures of some of my French rifles...
first from the war of 1870...
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8190/tab70a2.jpg
Tabatiere on top Chassepot below
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3859/dsc0213w.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3079/dsc0232yya.jpg
a couple of French repeaters 1878 and 1884
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/1090/dsc0604ke.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2893/dsc0614k.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4435/dsc0634w.jpg


best regards
Robert Olivier

vivelacolo
03-15-2012, 3:57 PM
then few of my Lebels
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1826/dsc0620j.jpg
View from the planet of the apes, remember Pierre Boulle?
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9769/dsc0628h.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4909/dsc0625.jpg
You have seen some of my Berthier and Mas...
Some of the rarest Berthiers, on top 2 fusils indochinois Mle 1902 and on the bottom one Fusil de tirailleur Senegalais.
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h346/wapiti27/DSC_0341.jpg
and to conclude the Fusil 1917
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h346/wapiti27/DSC_0985-1.jpg
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h346/wapiti27/DSC_0979-1.jpg
This is the weapon that was copied to create the garand.
best regards
Robert Olivier

rojocorsa
03-15-2012, 4:14 PM
Very nice and interesting collection.

I did not know that John Cantius Garand borrowed ideas from the French, in fact, I had never even seen such a rifle as that one.

Rogerbutthead
03-15-2012, 4:44 PM
Beautiful collection Vivelaloco, no wonder I cannot find any nice Lebels.

westcoast362
03-15-2012, 5:37 PM
Napoleon was born in Corsica. He was exiled to the island of Elba. After he escaped from Elba and was defeated at Waterloo, he was sent to the much more remote island of St. Helena, where he died.

Crunch130
03-15-2012, 7:27 PM
I have no French rifles. But I would love to have a Berthier 1907/15. I think they're just such a great looking rifle for their day. A lot of other people must agree, because a nice one is too darned expensive for me! Conversely, I think the MAS 36 is the oddest-looking bolt action rifle ever built.

And the French sure as heck didn't wuss out in WWI! They fought hard and got their asses shot off, as did everyone else at the Western Front.

Regards,
Crunch

James Bond
03-15-2012, 10:24 PM
No wonder Lebel M1886 rifles in museum condition are so hard to come by! Looks like you have cornered the market there. I have one that my wife's father shipped home from Europe in 1945. It is in very good condition and I am currently looking for a period correct bayonet in similar condition. Most are going for over $100 on eBay these days.

Chach
03-15-2012, 11:07 PM
Man that Tabatiere is beautiful. Do you have any closeups of the breech mechanism?

gunboat
03-15-2012, 11:08 PM
In wwi, every doughboys favorite french weapon was a "saucy cans"
Without intending to be derogatory, french weapons tend to be rather creative.

a1c
03-15-2012, 11:26 PM
Holy crap, Robert, you have a 1917? That is so incredibly rare.

glennsche
03-16-2012, 5:14 AM
first of all, vivalacolo unambiguously wins the thread. holy f'in f, sir, that's an amazing collection! how do the chassepots shoot? i've got one of those yataghan bayonets and have always sorta been on the lookout for chassepot but never found one in condition good enough to buy, and then i thought i'd never be able to find ammo for it.

I had a chance to handle a Lebel rifle a few weeks ago and the bolt mechanism appeared to have similarities to the Mosin Nagant. Any truth to this or a coincidence?

as mr. harmoniums said, i'll comment here... no i dont think so. as he mentioned you need a screw driver to take the bolt out, which strikes me as a pretty lame "feature".

i have a 5rd 07/15 and an interwar 5rd carbine, with their appropriate long stabby things. i'd say the mosin is a better, more robust and simpler system. the enbloc system is just such crap i cant believe any country would field em. it sounds nicer on paper "just reload once instead of putting in 5 different bullets" but the fact that you cant top off, the en blocs are generally speaking more finicky and sensitive and prone to jamming when loading, and then there's getting the empty clip out of the mag if it gets stuck or if your gun jams... meh.

harmoniums and i had a nice frenchy rifle day a while back and shot a few rifles the french used from 1915 to 1975. was a good time!

as far as the ww1 era long rifle is concerned though, after having shot the weapons the French, British, Russians and Germans went to war with, i think i like the Berthiers the least because of the aforementioned issues, although perhaps i would change my mind after shooting Carcanos or Steyr 1895 long rifles (which are also enbloc guns).

the best part about the french rifles: the bayonets. The french army put an awful lot of faith in the bayonet charge, and it shows; they are gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous.

While the ww1 era stuff seems to me to be slightly "older" in technology than the rifles the other great powers fielded at the same time, if one moves up a generation, the mas36 though seems to be quite advanced and well designed with the internal bayonet, the peep sights, and nice small size.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/glennsche/IMG_0365.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/glennsche/CIMG1746.jpg

joefrank64k
03-16-2012, 11:30 AM
Holy smokes...that row of Lebels...and the Fusil!!! And Fusil has the bayonet!!! WTF?!?!?!

Amazing collection vivalacolo!!!

vivelacolo
03-16-2012, 12:50 PM
Very nice and interesting collection.

I did not know that John Cantius Garand borrowed ideas from the French, in fact, I had never even seen such a rifle as that one.

Garand grew up in Canada speaking French, his name, before he americanized it, was Jean Cantius Garand. he was exposed to the new French technology of the FSA17 and FSA18 as well. So it is no surprise that he employed in his "new invention" systems that had already been tested.
I made a post of the comparison on a French forum
http://www.tircollection.com/t5910-rsc-1917-et-garand
Sorry it is in French.
Best regards
Robert Olivier

rojocorsa
03-16-2012, 12:53 PM
Merci. ;)

vivelacolo
03-16-2012, 1:07 PM
Man that Tabatiere is beautiful. Do you have any closeups of the breech mechanism?

I have few images...
Next to a Snider to compare size
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1025/taba1bu7.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8647/taba2mq7.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1594/tab12qh6.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/452/ta2up1.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7430/taba4hs1.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3104/tab10bm4.jpg
This one has an anchor on the buttplate, so it could have belonged to the French Navy or to Marine Infantry.
Best regards
Robert Olivier

Chach
03-16-2012, 1:31 PM
Thanks for the closeups. Is it still rifled or was it converted to shotshell? And while this may seem stupid, can you make your own paper cartridges or is it pretty much just for decoration now?

Awesome collection you have.

vivelacolo
03-16-2012, 2:11 PM
Thanks for the closeups. Is it still rifled or was it converted to shotshell? And while this may seem stupid, can you make your own paper cartridges or is it pretty much just for decoration now?

Awesome collection you have.
This carbine is in its original configuration. It is rifled and could, if I wanted to, be fired.
The ammo
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1829/tabat2xt7.jpg
There were two different calibers 17.8 m/m for the rifles, or like the one on the picture 18.2 m/m for the carbines.
The cartridges were issued in pack of 6 brown for the rifle and blue for the carbines.
I never tried but I know peoples that made the ammo with 12 gauge cartridges.
Best regards
Robert Olivier

SFgiants105
03-16-2012, 2:16 PM
How much did you pay for the 1892? Do you fire it?

harmoniums
03-16-2012, 2:30 PM
How much did you pay for the 1892? Do you fire it?

If your talking about the pistol in my video:

$400 shipped with 200 rounds included.
Yes I have fired it, I can't speak to the accuracy of it as I suck shooting pistols/revolvers

SFgiants105
03-16-2012, 5:22 PM
If your talking about the pistol in my video:

$400 shipped with 200 rounds included.
Yes I have fired it, I can't speak to the accuracy of it as I suck shooting pistols/revolvers

Nice. Where did you get it, if you don't mind me asking? Obviously, you don't have to tell me if it was through a private party.

pitfighter
03-16-2012, 6:22 PM
Vivelaloco that is an incredible collection - thank you for sharing.

Pit.

gun toting monkeyboy
03-16-2012, 9:57 PM
I shall refrain from the cheese eating surrender monkey jokes. Nor shall I comment about white flags, mint condition, drop marks, or the potential as lamps with that nice tube for the cord running underneath the barrel...

I will try to dig out pictures later, but even I have a few French guns. My personal favorite is a Reminton rolling block in 8mm. Some idiot along the way "sporterized" it by cutting the stock off by the barrel band. Someday I'll find a replacement to restore it.

-Mb

FourTenJaeger
03-18-2012, 12:38 AM
first of all, vivalacolo unambiguously wins the thread. holy f'in f, sir, that's an amazing collection! how do the chassepots shoot? i've got one of those yataghan bayonets and have always sorta been on the lookout for chassepot but never found one in condition good enough to buy, and then i thought i'd never be able to find ammo for it.



as mr. harmoniums said, i'll comment here... no i dont think so. as he mentioned you need a screw driver to take the bolt out, which strikes me as a pretty lame "feature".

i have a 5rd 07/15 and an interwar 5rd carbine, with their appropriate long stabby things. i'd say the mosin is a better, more robust and simpler system. the enbloc system is just such crap i cant believe any country would field em. it sounds nicer on paper "just reload once instead of putting in 5 different bullets" but the fact that you cant top off, the en blocs are generally speaking more finicky and sensitive and prone to jamming when loading, and then there's getting the empty clip out of the mag if it gets stuck or if your gun jams... meh.

harmoniums and i had a nice frenchy rifle day a while back and shot a few rifles the french used from 1915 to 1975. was a good time!

as far as the ww1 era long rifle is concerned though, after having shot the weapons the French, British, Russians and Germans went to war with, i think i like the Berthiers the least because of the aforementioned issues, although perhaps i would change my mind after shooting Carcanos or Steyr 1895 long rifles (which are also enbloc guns).

the best part about the french rifles: the bayonets. The french army put an awful lot of faith in the bayonet charge, and it shows; they are gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous.

While the ww1 era stuff seems to me to be slightly "older" in technology than the rifles the other great powers fielded at the same time, if one moves up a generation, the mas36 though seems to be quite advanced and well designed with the internal bayonet, the peep sights, and nice small size.


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/glennsche/CIMG1746.jpg

What is this? And the sword -bayo- on the bottom of the photo?

bruceflinch
03-18-2012, 8:08 AM
In before the "only dropped once" idiots.

Do they not come with hot-pink silk scarves any longer?

Darn guess I got here too late to comment...:o

This thread has changed my impression of French Guns, but not neccessarily of the French People...:D

Good looking Irons here.

Does France have Gun Museums? I suppose if I ever wanted to visit Europe, it would be to the Greek Isles & Gun Museums.

Madpyro
03-18-2012, 9:09 AM
wow, very nice collection!

rojocorsa
03-18-2012, 11:40 AM
Darn guess I got here too late to comment...:o

This thread has changed my impression of French Guns, but not neccessarily of the French People...:D

Good looking Irons here.

Does France have Gun Museums? I suppose if I ever wanted to visit Europe, it would be to the Greek Isles & Gun Museums.

But Bruce, don't forget about the Resistance and the Maquisards who fought back against the milice and the Nazis.

;)