View Full Version : New Sniper Rifle is here
G-Solutions
03-12-2012, 9:32 PM
Originally, I wanted to turn a Saiga .308 into a GSR, but being a bit short on time and funds, I gave in when a friend was interested in the rifle. There was no way in the foreseeable future that I would be able to tackle, let alone complete this project.
So - I took the funds from this sale an invested it into a Savage 10FP....
http://www.gebhardsolutions.com/images/2012-03-12_savage-10fcp-k.JPG.
For starters I added a Harris Bipod and a Burris Fullfield II 3-9 x 40. Ultimately, I want to put another optic on it with up to 14x and mil-dot reticle, but for right now, this one should work well. Sling will be added before I head out to the range, hopefully on Saturday.
http://img.tapatalk.com/4b12fd1b-dd01-52cd.jpg
RONIN.
03-12-2012, 11:28 PM
NOT trying to be an *****hole op.. but just a heads up, certain individuals here get touchy about the term SNIPER and RIFLE together.. they think that you are implying that you are a HOG.. yes i know touchy people here.. but just a heads up..
nice rifle, if your looking for a nice optic at a good price look into the swfa, vortex vipers..
ronin.
BillyGoatMachine
03-12-2012, 11:28 PM
Sheeesh, when are people going to learn that a .308 is waaaay overkill for hunting snipe:facepalm:
RONIN.
03-12-2012, 11:40 PM
Sheeesh, when are people going to learn that a .308 is waaaay overkill for hunting snipe:facepalm:
got a ruger mkii pistol that is perfect.. lol
and no.. you got to shoot snipe with 12g slugs.. :43:
G-Solutions
03-13-2012, 4:41 AM
NOT trying to be an *****hole op.. but just a heads up, certain individuals here get touchy about the term SNIPER and RIFLE together.. they think that you are implying that you are a HOG.. yes i know touchy people here.. but just a heads up..
nice rifle, if your looking for a nice optic at a good price look into the swfa, vortex vipers..
ronin.
Ronin,
Thank you for the feedback. Optic wise, I don't mind spending the extra money for something in the range of a Leupold. I want to take this rifle out to a 1000 meters in a (to avoid the touchy word) field-oriented long range precision course ;). The scope needs to hold up to this.
Some people here are touchy about the word sniper in conjunction with rifle...:eek: So we can talk about politically correct bullet buttons and even AK courses (where of course everyone uses a bullet button) but Sniper combined with Rifle is something objectionable. I think I'll discuss the topic of a GSR back on WT (http://www.warriortalk.com). No PC-mindset there....
chad68
03-13-2012, 5:17 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/4b12fd1b-dd01-52cd.jpg
I actually wiki'd sniper to see why so many people had their panties all bunched up, even though I know what the OP meant, (long range weapon that shoots bullets really really fast and puts holes in paper with bullseyes on them).
Now I know why the pic of the bird LOL.
A .308 is overkill for such a small bird such as a Snipe.
starsnuffer
03-13-2012, 8:13 AM
People get upset at the term "sniper" because that implies the USE of the rifle. IE, you plan on murdering people from a distance with it. If you have trouble figuring out what that idea might upset others, then I can't help you.
It's a precision bolt rifle. Just leave it at that. If you shoot targets with it, it's a target rifle, if you murder people with it, it's a sniper rifle, but honestly it isn't a good idea to automatically assume you're going to do the later, unless of course you already have.
-W
Curley Red
03-13-2012, 8:17 AM
You only need a guinea sack and stick to catch snipes, everyone knows that. But that rifle is sweet.
r3dn3ck
03-13-2012, 8:33 AM
10x is all you'll need for .308. Don't buy more magnification than you need. I use a fixed 10x on most of my precision rifles. Mil-Dots are neato but add expense you don't need if you're just going to be target shooting at paper and debris and steel. If this is a prep item then mil-dots might be useful someday but I'd begin to question the wisdom of slow firing heavy rifles for that job anyway.
Only pay for mil-dots if you're going to have to do range estimation. Even then, I'd probably just buy a laser rangefinder and call that problem solved. It'll cost about the same but the range calcs are way faster with a laser and not having to do any math under pressure.
Some people here are touchy about the word sniper in conjunction with rifle...:eek: So we can talk about politically correct bullet buttons and even AK courses (where of course everyone uses a bullet button) but Sniper combined with Rifle is something objectionable. I think I'll discuss the topic of a GSR back on WT (http://www.warriortalk.com). No PC-mindset there....
Don't get butthurt over it. I think there's a very good reason to avoid the term.
It's like gun rags in the mid-1980s referring to semi-auto AUGs, AR15s, etc. as "Assault Rifles", MACs and KG9s as "Assault Pistols", and referring to guns like the HK94 as "suitable for spray-firing from the hip". We as gun owners know that it's little more than BS marketing, but these terms provided fuel for the antis which absolutely worked in their favor.
I've been expecting that it's only a matter of time until they start calling for regulations against evil "Sniper Scopes" that give you the capability of "shooting people hundreds of yards away", etc, etc. Hey, it worked on regulating suppressors once upon a time.
atakacorp
03-13-2012, 8:45 AM
Originally, I wanted to turn a Saiga .308 into a GSR, but being a bit short on time and funds, I gave in when a friend was interested in the rifle. There was no way in the foreseeable future that I would be able to tackle, let alone complete this project.
So - I took the funds from this sale an invested it into a Savage 10FP....
http://www.gebhardsolutions.com/images/2012-03-12_savage-10fcp-k.JPG.
For starters I added a Harris Bipod and a Burris Fullfield II 3-9 x 40. Ultimately, I want to put another optic on it with up to 14x and mil-dot reticle, but for right now, this one should work well. Sling will be added before I head out to the range, hopefully on Saturday.
Congrats very nice,I have one in 300 winmag 1"MOA out of the box ,factory ammo,0.65 with reloades,accu stock,accu triger is great,muzzlebracke, you got it all man:)
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/Savage/SAVAGE002.jpg
HK Dave
03-13-2012, 8:48 AM
Who cares what people call it? I think people being upset at others using the term "sniper rifle" have insecurity issues. People need to take a chill pill and learn to have fun with life.
DesertSniper
03-13-2012, 8:56 AM
^I agree^
jigenax
03-13-2012, 9:02 AM
Very nice! I'm saving up for one too.
tonyxcom
03-13-2012, 9:28 AM
Who cares what people call it? I think people being upset at others using the term "sniper rifle" have insecurity issues. People need to take a chill pill and learn to have fun with life.
Yeah seriously. It's not much different than people building AR15's as 'SHTF' rifles and home defense rifles.
When the SHTF and you need to defend you home/property/shelter you will use your sniper rifle... to.... wait for it.... shoot people from a distance.
Iloveguns
03-13-2012, 9:32 AM
10x is all you'll need for .308. Don't buy more magnification than you need. I use a fixed 10x on most of my precision rifles. Mil-Dots are neato but add expense you don't need if you're just going to be target shooting at paper and debris and steel. If this is a prep item then mil-dots might be useful someday but I'd begin to question the wisdom of slow firing heavy rifles for that job anyway.
Only pay for mil-dots if you're going to have to do range estimation. Even then, I'd probably just buy a laser rangefinder and call that problem solved. It'll cost about the same but the range calcs are way faster with a laser and not having to do any math under pressure.
Mil-dots are not just for range estimation. It all depends on what you plan on doing with the rifle. 10x is fine but that's it. If you are happy with just being fine, Im sure you own a GEO metro as well. It will be fine for getting you from point A to point B. But if you need to get off the beaten path then you will need something a bit different. Just like a scope. 10x will work but it is not ideal for longer ranges. Again it just comes down to what he wants to do with the rifle. Slow firing heavy rifles do pretty well in our military so I don't think its a bad rifle to have in a SHTF scenario. Its the driver not the vehicle. But you cant expect a formula 1 car driver to win a formula 1 race with a drag car.
OP congrats on the Precision Rifle. Get out there and shoot it and have fun!
RONIN.
03-13-2012, 9:39 AM
Who cares what people call it? I think people being upset at others using the term "sniper rifle" have insecurity issues. People need to take a chill pill and learn to have fun with life.
as do I, as I was kindly warning the OP of all the people that let that term offend there fragile sensibilities..
ronin
HK Dave
03-13-2012, 9:41 AM
as do I, as I was kindly warning the OP of all the people that let that term offend there fragile sensibilities..
ronin
It was kind of you. :)
sd joe
03-13-2012, 3:24 PM
Nice Sniper Rifle OP!
RugerFanRyan
03-13-2012, 3:27 PM
Great lookin' rifle.
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Maddog5150
03-13-2012, 3:40 PM
ummmm.... scope....
must resist.........
SFgiants105
03-13-2012, 3:44 PM
Why would you shoot a snipe? They're so cute :)
Congrats on the rifle! Now you're ready to go all Tom Berenger on everyone's @$$es
Roach_Infinity
03-13-2012, 3:46 PM
Us "political correctness nazis" don't have fragile sensibilities, we just realise that 80-90 percent (statistic made up) of the *******s that live in this state do, and we will lose our favorite toys faster if we don't encourage others to be "politically correct." See m03's post.
That said this is a "gun" forum, we should have some flexibility here =p
-Eric
Don't get butthurt over it. I think there's a very good reason to avoid the term.
It's like gun rags in the mid-1980s referring to semi-auto AUGs, AR15s, etc. as "Assault Rifles", MACs and KG9s as "Assault Pistols", and referring to guns like the HK94 as "suitable for spray-firing from the hip". We as gun owners know that it's little more than BS marketing, but these terms provided fuel for the antis which absolutely worked in their favor.
I've been expecting that it's only a matter of time until they start calling for regulations against evil "Sniper Scopes" that give you the capability of "shooting people hundreds of yards away", etc, etc. Hey, it worked on regulating suppressors once upon a time.
Already regulated, albeit with a definition that doesn't match with standard meaning...
California Penal Code Section 468
Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of,
conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars
($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one
year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device
or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm
which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and
electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually
determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime. [snip]
Tanner68
03-13-2012, 3:56 PM
I can understand why people get upset about the overuse of the expression "sniper rifle". One reason already mentioned, is that popularizing the term for basic over the counter firearms will lend ammo to the gun grabbers.
And related to that, merely grabbing a gun off the shelf and putting a scope on it doesn't make it a sniper rifle. Similarly shooting said gun doesn't make the shooter a sniper.
When I think of a sniper rifle, I think of a gun that has been customized and enhanced, to some great degree, to fulfill a specialized role. The OPs gun has more in common with my hunting rifles than it does with a rifle that an accomplished sniper would use.
I am not disparaging the OPs gun. Those Savages are great guns. And I understand why some get a bit touchy about the overuse and misapplication of the term sniper rifle.
atakacorp
03-13-2012, 4:08 PM
I can understand why people get upset about the overuse of the expression "sniper rifle". One reason already mentioned, is that popularizing the term for basic over the counter firearms will lend ammo to the gun grabbers.
And related to that, merely grabbing a gun off the shelf and putting a scope on it doesn't make it a sniper rifle. Similarly shooting said gun doesn't make the shooter a sniper.
When I think of a sniper rifle, I think of a gun that has been customized and enhanced, to some great degree, to fulfill a specialized role. The OPs gun has more in common with my hunting rifles than it does with a rifle that an accomplished sniper would use.
I am not disparaging the OPs gun. And understand why some get a bit touchy about the overuse and misapplication of the term sniper rifle.
With all due respect, experts , can we drop this nonsense. First sniper rifles were hunting rifles and sniper(military) rifles(Mosin and such) are used for hunting ,let congratulate this guy on a great whatever he wants to call it ,stick(I call my MaryJane:43:)and move on
MrPlink
03-13-2012, 5:03 PM
With all due respect, experts , can we drop this nonsense. First sniper rifles were hunting rifles and sniper(military) rifles(Mosin and such) are used for hunting ,let congratulate this guy on a great whatever he wants to call it ,stick(I call my MaryJane:43:)and move on
+1
If I "snipe" anything with a Ruger 10-22, guess what kind of rifle my
Ruger is now?
DrunkN_MastR
03-13-2012, 5:17 PM
Great choice op - give us a range report when you bust its cherry :D
Tanner68
03-13-2012, 6:01 PM
Great choice op - give us a range report when you bust its cherry :D
Agree, great choice. Let's hear a range report. I hear good things about your rifle and your scope.
Mojaveman
03-13-2012, 6:40 PM
Congradulations on the new Savage 10FP long range target rifle. Have a 10FP in .308 with a Weaver 10X40 Mildot on it and it's plenty accurate.
I like it a lot. That rifle will put a threat to Liberty in the dirt, pronto. May you never have to use it for anything but training.
colossians323
03-13-2012, 7:27 PM
Who cares what people call it? I think people being upset at others using the term "sniper rifle" have insecurity issues. People need to take a chill pill and learn to have fun with life.
^^^^^THis^^^^^^
siznarf
03-13-2012, 8:08 PM
Another thread crapped on.
chad68
03-13-2012, 8:30 PM
People get upset at the term "sniper" because that implies the USE of the rifle. IE, you plan on murdering people from a distance with it. If you have trouble figuring out what that idea might upset others, then I can't help you.
It's a precision bolt rifle. Just leave it at that. If you shoot targets with it, it's a target rifle, if you murder people with it, it's a sniper rifle, but honestly it isn't a good idea to automatically assume you're going to do the later, unless of course you already have.
-W
Oh yes and Assault rifle (AR) is so much more politically correct. 95% of centerfire threads are about AR's!
Instead of calling people, people, they refer to them as Zombies. Maybe you guys think assault rifle is ok and rated G (like Disney) because 99.9% of the time the phrase is abbreviated AR and somehow the abbreviation suger coats what an AR actually is and what it is intended for??? Hello AR's were made for killing people, not hunting Bambi in Texas.
Get a grip people! Geez.
Some people here are touchy about the word sniper in conjunction with rifle...:eek: So we can talk about politically correct bullet buttons and even AK courses (where of course everyone uses a bullet button) but Sniper combined with Rifle is something objectionable. I think I'll discuss the topic of a GSR back on WT (http://www.warriortalk.com). No PC-mindset there....
Yes, sillyness. Calguns has spawned more owners of AR-15s and AK-47 type rifles in CA than anywhere. People train with them to use them tactically in :: gasp :: a gunfight. Same goes for pistols for self defense. But apparently the label of all things sniper is only PC when applied to military or LEOs. :rolleyes:
Many here haven't heard of the WarriorTalk.com/Gabe Suarez concept of GSR (Guerrilla Sniper Rifle) and why one would own one and train with one. Maybe they should do some reading over there before automatically assuming the WT "guerrilla snipers" would attack their government, let alone innocent civilians. Here's a hint...that's not what it's about.
Look more to history and the fact that all empires fall. Nations invade other nations. If such a grim end awaits America, some brave patriots won't accept a new master's chains quietly or without a fight...
Oh yes and Assault rifle (AR) is so much more politically correct. 95% of centerfire threads are about AR's!
Instead of calling people, people, they refer to them as Zombies. Maybe you guys think assault rifle is ok and rated G (like Disney) because 99.9% of the time the phrase is abbreviated AR and somehow the abbreviation suger coats what an AR actually is and what it is intended for??? Hello AR's were made for killing people, not hunting Bambi in Texas.
Get a grip people! Geez.
Psst. AR in AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle. ;) Beyond that your on target!
G-Solutions
03-13-2012, 8:54 PM
Agree, great choice. Let's hear a range report. I hear good things about your rifle and your scope.
Thanks guys - time and weather permitting, I hope to head out to the range this weekend.
I'm looking forward to see how this new addition to the armory performs. Everything thus far has been inside 200 m. Got a fellow instructor who can help me out with up to 1100 :eek:, Time to close this gap in my skillset :cool:
Congrats very nice,I have one in 300 winmag 1"MOA out of the box ,factory ammo,0.65 with reloades,accu stock,accu triger is great,muzzlebracke, you got it all man:)
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/Savage/SAVAGE002.jpg
If I may ask, which scope do you have on yours?
CSACANNONEER
03-13-2012, 8:59 PM
What would make this rifle a sniper rifle? Or, is every bolt action rifle with anmid range scope considered a "sniper rifle"? As someone who has shot a few 1000 yard matches, I've personally never seen a what I would call a real sniper rifle. Then again, ANY rifle could be a sniper rifle in the hands of a sniper. Are you a real live sniper?
Subotai
03-13-2012, 9:05 PM
Guys, guys, guys, this can all be fixed with the magic word. Anytime you say sniper, killin', or any other un-pc term, you must always say "zombie". Then you're in the clear.
Look at my new zombie sniper rifle!
Sounds better right?
Iloveguns
03-13-2012, 9:05 PM
What would make this rifle a sniper rifle? Or, is every bolt action rifle with anmid range scope considered a "sniper rifle"? As someone who has shot a few 1000 yard matches, I've personally never seen a what I would call a real sniper rifle. Then again, ANY rifle could be a sniper rifle in the hands of a sniper. Are you a real live sniper?
This^^
G-Solutions
03-13-2012, 9:33 PM
Hmm what makes a rifle a sniper rifle - good question indeed.
A good friend of mine and fellow instructor for SI used a Savage Axiom in the Guerilla Sniper Course in Ohio last year....
One of my students had an AR built for her use in the Guerilla Sniper Course in Kingman.
Another one of my students had already taken the course and is currently building up a .338 Lapua to push his envelope even further.
Honestly, I don't care what people think of the term - I'm just stunned by the efforts they put into splitting hairs - The same energy could be put to so much better use.
And with that, I wish all the good people here a safe and successful rest of the week.
atakacorp
03-13-2012, 9:39 PM
Thanks guys - time and weather permitting, I hope to head out to the range this weekend.
If I may ask, which scope do you have on yours?
I have Leupold Mark2 6-18X40 ,never used 11-18:), and DNZ base and rings ,highly recomended
http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9699305
did you get a trigger adjusting tool with the and manual? Don’t mess with the stock its very tricky to put it back, you’ll need to have torque screwdriver ,but some times it will get your groups tighter if you can tight the first screw, I will pm you website where its explained better, sorry for my English :43:
some pics my Savage in action
150 yards
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/OxotaNov2010/IMG_0261.jpg
560 yards
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/OXOTA_MAY/OxotaMay057.jpg
you'll be happy with this rifle:43:
this is the link
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,37712.0.html
if it wont work this is the way to do it
The other day I had a informative conversation with Mr. Chris Bezzina (main engineer at Savage Arms) who played a key part in the development of the AccuStock. I wanted to get detailed information on torque specs for the 10 LE weapons series. There is a sequence for reassembling in the manuals but for ultimate accuracy wanted by advanced shooters the recommended sequence is as follows.
Proper Adjustment of The AccuStock
There is a specific technique for assembling the action into the AccuStock, and it needs to be strictly adhered to as follows:
1. Ensure that the recoil lug “wedge” screw is backed out to the point where the wedge has sufficient vertical movement to allow the recoil lug to seat against the bottom of the aluminum rail.
2. With the action inserted into the stock, justify the action toward the rear of the stock to allow the recoil lug on the action to be seated against the boss on the aluminum rail.
3. Tighten the forward most screw to 10 in.-lbs. to seat the action against the aluminum rail boss, then back out one-half turn.
4. Tighten the middle action screw to 10 in.-lbs.
5. Tighten the rear action screw to 10 in.-lbs.
6. Tighten the forward action screw to 10 in.-lbs
Repeat steps four through six and increase torque value in increments up to a final torque value of 40 to 45 in.-lbs.
Note: It is extremely important to tighten per the instructions above because when you are tightening the action down into the AccuStock you are spreading the aluminum side rails and evenly moving the action down onto the base of the rail, ensuring positive engagement.
Iloveguns
03-13-2012, 9:40 PM
Hmm what makes a rifle a sniper rifle - good question indeed.
Thats it! Its not the rifle its the person shooting the rifle!
atakacorp
03-13-2012, 9:52 PM
Thank you for your knowledge and wisdom:oji:, we all got it now, we not worthy to call our girls sniper rifles, we will call them precision rifles ,like its matters here in Kalifornia:43:
G-Solutions
03-15-2012, 7:29 AM
atacorp
thanks for the info - for right now I'm planning to keep this stock and if necessary add a cheekpiece similar to what you have on yours.
Hope to make it to the range this weekend... the schedule just got a little tighter over the last couple of days, but then again, my 8-year old's face lit up when I mentioned that possibility. He's getting very accurate with our Henry .22 levergun :shifty:
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