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rtc111
03-10-2012, 8:28 AM
Now the U.S army says it has an effective range of 800M, meaning it can reliably hit a target at 800M, but can it do damage that far?

In talking about the effective killing range of the .308 if you look at its velocity and ME it doesn't look like it would kill an average whitetail deer at 600 Y.

So how far do you think a .308 could effectively kill a whitetail deer? (leave ethical shots out of this please)

cfusionpm
03-10-2012, 8:36 AM
Todd Hodnett shoots .308 out to a mile. Like a boss.

phish
03-10-2012, 9:01 AM
Sgt. Gilliland is credited with the longest confirmed kill with a 7.62 NATO at 1250 meters. You will get ethical shot comments from the hunters here since you opened the door...

donw
03-10-2012, 9:10 AM
Carlos hathcock regularly shot 600 yds plus in Vietnam racking up over 90 confirmed he used mostly 30-06 but did occasionally use the 7.62 NATO and a MA2 modified to accept a scope.

"Killing" at ranges up to 1300 yards with the .308 is not ruled out...its hitting it.

i read a quote by an army sniper saying that "Even 60% of trained snipers miss the first shot at ranges 600 yards and more."

ronson
03-10-2012, 9:13 AM
308 SMK-BT has 426ft-lbs and 1047ft/s out of my gun... at 1200 yards. That's more than some 45ACP loads at the barrel.

chicoredneck
03-10-2012, 9:20 AM
Now the U.S army says it has an effective range of 800M, meaning it can reliably hit a target at 800M, but can it do damage that far?

In talking about the effective killing range of the .308 if you look at its velocity and ME it doesn't look like it would kill an average whitetail deer at 600 Y.

So how far do you think a .308 could effectively kill a whitetail deer? (leave ethical shots out of this please)

The point that the bullet losses enough velocity that it can no longer penetrate a skull or ribs reliably. Probably somwhere around 750fps or lower.

Realistically the bullet loses stability and therefore accuracy once it goes subsonic, so hitting your target past the supersonic range of the projectile is a crap shoot.

The reason that the army has 800 meters listed as the max effective range is because that is the average range that the bullet goes subsonic (military loading), thus making the accuracy impractical past that range. Energy has little to do with the limitations given.

CSACANNONEER
03-10-2012, 9:25 AM
In talking about the effective killing range of the .308 if you look at its velocity and ME it doesn't look like it would kill an average whitetail deer at 600 Y.


You might want to look at your calcs again. Then, ask yourself "at what distance would I feel safe in front of an accomplished XLR shooter firing at me with a .308?"

Whatisthis?
03-10-2012, 9:27 AM
Read an article a week ago about a sniper taking out a guy at 852 meters with an M14. I don't know rifles really well but a military M14 should be 7.62x54 (.308)

Black Majik
03-10-2012, 9:36 AM
Read an article a week ago about a sniper taking out a guy at 852 meters with an M14. I don't know rifles really well but a military M14 should be 7.62x54 (.308)

Almost, 7.62x51

DannyInSoCal
03-10-2012, 9:40 AM
Step up to the .338 Lapua and your worries about "killing" past 600 yards are over...

donw
03-10-2012, 9:44 AM
the DISTANCE involved in "Long range" sniping is why the military is going to higher powered cartridges now; 338 lapua and 50 BMG are two in use now. (they have tested .416 and .450 as well but the .338 is the most widely used and accepted at the moment for ranges within 2000yds.)

the new technologies emerging now, make things change from day to day, though. as an example: there is a fin guided, computer chip controlled, .50 cal, "Smart", round being tested right now for ultra-precision 'sniping'.

technology like that will render the "Sniper", as we now recognize him, obsolete.

caliber...distance to target... accuracy...and more... all factor in in "Effective killing" range of any projectile

donw
03-10-2012, 9:46 AM
7.62x54r is the Russian mosin...

PEZHEAD265
03-10-2012, 10:05 AM
Read an article a week ago about a sniper taking out a guy at 852 meters with an M14. I don't know rifles really well but a military M14 should be 7.62x54 (.308)

That the Russian round [7.62x54] and just a hair bigger at .310 or .311

bearstatearmory.com
03-10-2012, 10:09 AM
the DISTANCE involved in "Long range" sniping is why the military is going to higher powered cartridges now; 338 lapua and 50 BMG are two in use now. (they have tested .416 and .450 as well but the .338 is the most widely used and accepted at the moment for ranges within 2000yds.)

the new technologies emerging now, make things change from day to day, though. as an example: there is a fin guided, computer chip controlled, .50 cal, "Smart", round being tested right now for ultra-precision 'sniping'.

technology like that will render the "Sniper", as we now recognize him, obsolete.

caliber...distance to target... accuracy...and more... all factor in in "Effective killing" range of any projectile

Any more info on that?

pat4wd
03-10-2012, 10:32 AM
The one example given how at distance the 308 had more energy than the 45 acp at muzzle should sum it up real quick.. the ability to kill is there long past 800 meters.. And in times of battle it is not always just to kill, having a wounded soldier is said to be sometimes worse in the way it effects the enemy due to the resources needed to help that soldier as well as the moral it causes..

As far as hunting I wouldn't personally take game at distances farther than 500 yards do to my own ability to know it will always be a clean shot..

Whatisthis?
03-10-2012, 11:37 AM
Almost, 7.62x51

Damn, I thought I knew it. Oh well, thanks for correcting me.

luchador768
03-10-2012, 11:41 AM
There was a post on here a few months ago about a guy back east that killed several high school kids a mile away with his .308. It was supposedly an "accident" and he was unaware that he had hit anyone.

russ69
03-10-2012, 12:41 PM
...So how far do you think a .308 could effectively kill a whitetail deer? (leave ethical shots out of this please)

The cartridge is more effective than the shooter until past 1000 yards. What's the point of this question? I'm not sure what you really want to know?

rtc111
03-10-2012, 2:13 PM
Yeah that's terrible, the word "several" makes it sounds a whole lot less of an accident haha

rtc111
03-10-2012, 2:17 PM
Russ69- I'm sure everyone has heard of the moose killed with a 30-30 and grizzlies killed with 22, all I'm wondering is would a .308 have enough knock down power to kill a large deer with out the perfect dorsal artery shot at 600Y

resident-shooter
03-10-2012, 3:00 PM
It will kill further away than where u can aim effectively ;)

rtc111
03-10-2012, 4:03 PM
That's what I wanna hear! Awesome

Hoop
03-10-2012, 4:09 PM
with out the perfect dorsal artery shot at 600Y

308 is technically more than enough on paper (according to all the hunting know-it-alls) but you won't get far without proper shot placement. Lots of hunters out there have winged deer with magnums in the hope that 'knockdown power' would make up for their gut wound of a shot and it doesn't.

donw
03-10-2012, 4:25 PM
Any more info on that?

i saw a segment about the fin guided, computer chip controlled round on the military channel; they showed a few test shots being fired.

the .338 lapua was adopted last year (or before) as i recall. it's been in service in Afghanistan.

the us military has been, routinely, testing larger bore sniper rifles since the advent of the Barrett .50 BMG rifles; so far, they've found the .338 lapua to be the most accurate at the longer ranges.

what HOOP said above is correct...no matter the distance...shot placement is critical...that being said.

once again...hitting the intended target AT ANY RANGE gets harder as the distance increases and to shoot farther, ACCURATELY, takes proper equipment and training.

don't believe it? pick up your .308...sight in the scope at 200yards WITH a CORRECT MOA scope base...try 500 yards...then 1000 yards...not easy...

please note: i did NOT say "impossible" or "Can't be done"...

toby
03-10-2012, 4:27 PM
About a million miles away........or as far as from here till next week if you can figure that measurement..... truthfully tho with a 308 I call 500 yrds MAX on Game Animals IF you are capable of doing so! Sniper shooting is not Hunting.

jtv3062
03-10-2012, 4:56 PM
Russ69- I'm sure everyone has heard of the moose killed with a 30-30 and grizzlies killed with 22, all I'm wondering is would a .308 have enough knock down power to kill a large deer with out the perfect dorsal artery shot at 600Y

So what's your question? You asked about military applications and now you bring in ethical hunting.

toby
03-10-2012, 5:07 PM
So what's your question? You asked about military applications and now you bring in ethical hunting.

No, he quoted the Military saying the effective range of the 308 but asked about if the killing power of the 308 was efficient enough for Whitetail Deer at that range.

Peter W Bush
03-10-2012, 5:09 PM
I would agree with whoever said 1200 yards. There's a guy here that snipers elephants from about 2000 yards but I'm not sure which scope he uses.

elsolo
03-10-2012, 6:04 PM
Deer are tougher than people.

cabinetguy
03-10-2012, 7:55 PM
Deer are tougher than people.
You are just a bad cook

hayaku
03-10-2012, 8:06 PM
Todd Hodnett shoots .308 out to a mile. Like a boss.

yep, in the magpul vid todd said the 308 bullet's velocity at that distance is something like ~850+ fps.. similar to a 45acp's initial speed. if that's true, it has the same effectiveness at 1 mile as that of a single handgun shot at point blank...

Juice5610
03-10-2012, 8:08 PM
You are just a bad cook

Lol!