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Squid
03-09-2012, 9:14 PM
would a referendum be able to reverse what the politicians have done in CA?

Any polls been done and are there any gun issues where voters and elected politicians are far apart?

Librarian
03-09-2012, 9:19 PM
Field Poll - http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/ - is the usual source. See if you can find any recent ones with a gun topic.

As with all polls, the questions asked and the sample selected have an influence on the responses.

See also http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=156804

Squid
03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Release1971.pdf

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Release1929.pdf

I don't think a Referendum to repeal any CA state gun restrictions would have a snowball's chance in hell.

TheBest
03-09-2012, 10:13 PM
You don't think in 10 years it would have changed? It's changing in other states, often very recently.

berto
03-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Where do gun issues rate for most voters?

Who will fund an ad campaign ($$$$) in SF and LA?

Who will publicly support or oppose said referendum? Think official titles that lend weight to a position e.g. sheriffs, chiefs, DAs, senators, etc.

Polls are easily manipulated.

Rights aren't subject to majority rule.

pointedstick
03-09-2012, 10:55 PM
I'm thinking we'd lose 65-35 and it would be a demoralizing waste of resources. The fact of the matter is that a large majority of Californian citizens oppose us. You only use majoritarian tools when you have a majority; we win in this state by leveraging tools that expand our power beyond what our numbers would suggest.

CDFingers
03-10-2012, 7:15 AM
Yeah: I think the best strategy is one by one move to repeal various existing laws in light of McDonald, as opposed to a state wide vote on an issue where we may lose.

The Second is a right, and laws against it may be challenged from that perspective, and McDonald incorporated the Bill of Rights against the states--but the states will counter with the Ninth and the Tenth Amendments, so lawyers will have to make some money before we get back the ability to exercise our rights...

CDFingers

Drivedabizness
03-10-2012, 7:53 AM
And remember who would actually write the ballot language (our stridently anti-gun AG).

As others have said, I am convinced that legal action is the only way we will get our rights restored. I'm also of a mind that only a Federal civil rights action, with personal consequences, will convince recalcitrant CLEO's and other "anti-gun at all costs" zealots to change their tune.

Eventually the tide of public opinion will turn...but I'd like to see it in my lifetime.