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dd03
04-08-2007, 7:17 PM
Anyone know who can repair Saiga to use AK mags?

KenpoProfessor
04-08-2007, 7:31 PM
Did you forget this forum has a search function?

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showforum=5

http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/Step_1.htm

Next time, try to do at least some research.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

USMCM16A2
04-08-2007, 7:34 PM
DD03,


In a word, DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!. You are altering a firearm, if it is the new Saigas you are talking about they were purposely made NOT accept AK mags. Those coming into the state now come with 5 or 10 round mags.You could be asking for serious trouble. Just be careful, ;) ;) ;) , Best to you, USMCM16A2

fal_762x51
04-08-2007, 8:05 PM
If your doing a AK mod, remember to play the 922r rule and fix the mag.

railroader
04-08-2007, 10:43 PM
Actually if you go to the saiga forum there are ways to convert a saiga to use AK mags(detachable) and still be 922r legal. It won't have a pistol grip but it can have the correct parts count. This guy sells USA saiga stocks, handguards and trigger groups where you don't need a pistol grip. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=12619 Mark

fal_762x51
04-08-2007, 11:45 PM
Changing for hi-cap mags would be a "grey area," like that of moving the firing controls up and using a thumbhole stock. Remember, they had to be a "sporting" rifle to get imported, any changes would require 922r.

dd03
04-09-2007, 12:02 AM
Changing for hi-cap mags would be a "grey area," like that of moving the firing controls up and using a thumbhole stock. Remember, they had to be a "sporting" rifle to get imported, any changes would require 922r.

I just want it to accept AK mags. Nothing more. No pistol grip, flash hider, or anything else that can be construed as "assault weapon."

What needs to be done to accept AK mag without illegality? Is there anyone that can do this?

69Mach1
04-09-2007, 12:11 AM
Changing for hi-cap mags would be a "grey area," like that of moving the firing controls up and using a thumbhole stock. Remember, they had to be a "sporting" rifle to get imported, any changes would require 922r.

Those thumbholes are considered "sporting". So that should be OK, unless you're in Cali. BATF needs to clarify if the ability to accept military magazines is still a violation. The FN FS2000 accepts M16 magazines. Unless the FN is not 100% imported. Still don't know because FN won't answer their emails.

69Mach1
04-09-2007, 12:19 AM
I just want it to accept AK mags. Nothing more. No pistol grip, flash hider, or anything else that can be construed as "assault weapon."

What needs to be done to accept AK mag without illegality? Is there anyone that can do this?

1. A bullet guide needs to be installed.
2. A portion of the mag catch has to be trimmed.
3. If BATF needs it, you need to add some U.S. parts to be compliant.

You can do this yourself with help from http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?
I think you need a total of 4 parts replaced with U.S. parts to be 922 compliant on the Saiga.
1.Receiver
2.Trunion
3.Barrel
4.Bolt Carrier
5.Bolt
6.Piston
7.Hammer
8.Trigger
9.Sear
10.Magazine Body
11.Magazine Floor Plate
12.Magazine Follower
13.Buttstock
14.Forend

Luckily the Saiga shares many parts with the AK. For the magazine, you could add the U.S. made floor plate and follower from Tapco.

Quiet
04-09-2007, 12:29 AM
Those thumbholes are considered "sporting". So that should be OK, unless you're in Cali. BATF needs to clarify if the ability to accept military magazines is still a violation. The FN FS2000 accepts M16 magazines. Unless the FN is not 100% imported. Still don't know because FN won't answer their emails.

I'm under the assumption that the FN PS90 & FS2000 are not 100% imported. FN does have rifle manfacturing facilities in the US and may be making enough parts for both rifles to bypass the import requirement.
FN also announced they would be making semi-auto varients of the FN SCAR-L & SCAR-H for the civilian market in 2008. Both the SCAR-L & SCAR-H are being produced in the US.

grammaton76
04-09-2007, 1:15 PM
In a word, DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!. You are altering a firearm, if it is the new Saigas you are talking about they were purposely made NOT accept AK mags. Those coming into the state now come with 5 or 10 round mags.You could be asking for serious trouble. Just be careful, ;) ;) ;) , Best to you, USMCM16A2

Not just to you, but to EVERYONE who is posting this incorrect and erroneous advice... get it through your heads.

The FULL CAPACITY MAGAZINES are restricted items. If you own them, you may use them in any weapon which will accept them. If you modify FULL CAPACITY MAGS!!!!!, and they no longer work in the original weapon, you have committed a crime. The WEAPON!!!! may be modified all you want, provided that you comply with 922(r) and install enough compliance parts.

grammaton76
04-09-2007, 3:48 PM
Actually he is correct and other posters were wrong. A LCMM (large capacity military magazine) is a an evil feature on a sporting style rifle that was imported. To use one of these magazines one would need to play the 922 parts counting game. Also a thumbhole stock was added to the list of prohibited features on imported weapons.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/semi_auto_faq.txt

Actually, the guy was saying there was some kind of magical prohibition against the Saiga ever accepting AK mags, if you read his post. This is a commonly held and completely incorrect position. 922(r) compliance is pretty easy to achieve on any AK-family weapon - you do have to go for it if you're going to run AK mags, but it's not hard to do. Certainly not worthy of a blanket "don't do this!" edict.