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jumpthestack
03-03-2012, 11:05 PM
I'm interested in putting the NightBrake on my featureless AK.

http://www.manticorearms.com/NightBrake-for-24mm-available-at-RATWORX-MA-1100.htm
http://www.ratworxusa.com/pagDetail.aspx?SKU=MA-1214-Night-Brake
http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/2012/01/14/review-manticore-arms-nightbrake/
http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/2011/07/23/manticore-arms-nightbrake/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhZap2F1AWs

It is not marketed as a flash suppressor, and the manufacturer makes no claims about flash, but the 'Jerking the Trigger' review above seems to indicate that it changes the characteristics of the flash.

The upload text for the YouTube video I linked states 'Note: towards the beginning I stated it is not designed to reduce flash while in the videos it is obvious it reduces flash compared to a bare muzzle.'

Also, "Night" being part of the name might come into things, I suppose.

What do you think, would it be considered a flash suppressor?

Munk
03-04-2012, 1:47 AM
I wish I could pull a quote for this, but I read a while back that a brake is OK if it doesn't direct any part of the flash downwards.

Some brakes even go out of their way to not redirect the gases downwards, because they kick up dust or debris in outdoor environments.

mdimeo
03-04-2012, 10:18 AM
It looks ok to me, but it's not something I'd want to fight about in court.

Scott Connors
03-04-2012, 11:15 AM
I wish I could pull a quote for this, but I read a while back that a brake is OK if it doesn't direct any part of the flash downwards.

Some brakes even go out of their way to not redirect the gases downwards, because they kick up dust or debris in outdoor environments.

If this were true, then the standard M16A2 compensator (which is how the TM refers to it) would be legal. (For the record, it isn't. :mad: )

Munk
03-04-2012, 1:44 PM
If this were true, then the standard M16A2 compensator (which is how the TM refers to it) would be legal. (For the record, it isn't. :mad: )

are you referring to the normal birdcage that redirects gasses in all directions.... Including downward? The A2 compensator/flashhider is built to be a flash hider.

Like I said: Downward ports = flash being diverted down = flash hiding.

aklover_91
03-04-2012, 2:20 PM
are you referring to the normal birdcage that redirects gasses in all directions.... Including downward? The A2 compensator/flashhider is built to be a flash hider.

Like I said: Downward ports = flash being diverted down = flash hiding.

There aren't any ports facing down if it's indexed like it's supposed to be.

goober
03-04-2012, 3:02 PM
are you referring to the normal birdcage that redirects gasses in all directions.... Including downward? The A2 compensator/flashhider is built to be a flash hider.

Like I said: Downward ports = flash being diverted down = flash hiding.

There aren't any ports facing down if it's indexed like it's supposed to be.

A1 has 6 slots, and doesn't need to be timed.
A2 has 5 slots, and should be timed so there is no downward facing slot.
Both are flash suppressors/hiders as far as CA law goes

as for the brake/suppressor the OP is asking about, not sure but if the manuf calls it a brake, that helps.

Characteristics of muzzle brake: The major difference between a flash suppressor and a muzzle brake is
the size of the inner cavity. The inner cavity of a muzzle brake is usually just slightly larger than the diameter
of the bore. This better traps the propelling gasses behind the bullet. This forces/redirects more of the gasses
to escape through small ports/slots in the muzzle device. These ports/slots are usually machined/drilled in
strategic locations or angled to divert the gasses to reduce the firearm's: recoil, muzzle rise.

from that description, it looks like the device in question would probably be a brake, not a suppressor
http://www.manticorearms.com/images/13099975002931438815021.jpeg

Munk
03-04-2012, 8:21 PM
A1 has 6 slots, and doesn't need to be timed.
A2 has 5 slots, and should be timed so there is no downward facing slot.
Both are flash suppressors/hiders as far as CA law goes


Doh, was misremembering the A1 as the A2.

After looking at a few models of what people call an A2, it's clear that many of them are designed with flash suppression in mind, but some of them just like like less-effective brakes rather than flash suppressors.

Scott Connors
03-05-2012, 11:43 AM
As I mentioned earlier, the M16A2's muzzle device is called a compensator by the technical manual, even though it is clearly based upon the flash hider of the M16A1. As a compensator it's probably as effective as the slant brake on AKMs. I mentioned it as an example of something that does not direct any muzzle blast downward yet is clearly a flash suppressor. Whether or not a device directs blast downward has nothing to do with whether it's a CA-legal muzzle device.