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JackRydden224
03-02-2012, 10:19 AM
I will have the funds to buy a Saiga at riflegear by Sunday. They have the best price around Orange County but before that I want see if there are different models I should be watching out for. Something like new model with new/improved features and such. I do plan on converting it.

I'm still debating between a 5.45 and 7.62. The 5.45 should be cheaper to shoot with surplus but outdoor range friendly ammo is expensive and hard to find.

What do you guys think?

e36mike
03-02-2012, 11:20 AM
I just got a 7.62 sgl23 and I love it... To me ammo is cheap at .25 a round non surplus... That's all I can say.

NorCalK9.com
03-02-2012, 11:47 AM
Id go 545x39 but we dont have ammo restrictions.
If your gonna convert it anyway
Why not buy a ak parts kit and build one at a build party

sd_shooter
03-02-2012, 11:51 AM
If you don't have a place to shoot 5.45 don't get that model. The 7.62 is great!

5.45 is more "fun" if you can shoot it.

atakacorp
03-02-2012, 11:52 AM
I would go with this one in 7.62
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1018.aspx
if you will convert(and you will:)) just add 150$ and you done

hefedehefe
03-02-2012, 11:54 AM
Out of the 3 I have had, one had the canted sights. Check and make sure before you buy. I couldnt check before I bought because I bought online. The one above from Atlantic is also at riflegear as well. I saw it there yesterday. I happen to like the Saiga "American import" style myself :cool:

JackRydden224
03-02-2012, 12:29 PM
I shoot at a indoor range where they don't care what you shoot. I go at least once a week maybe two. I will only go out door maybe 4 -5 times a year. Well, I think I answered my own question LOL

Now do Saiga have different model years or are they pretty much the same? I'm talking about something like a 2011 + production will have certain improved features that an older model will not??

sd_shooter
03-02-2012, 3:29 PM
I shoot at a indoor range where they don't care what you shoot. I go at least once a week maybe two. I will only go out door maybe 4 -5 times a year. Well, I think I answered my own question LOL

Now do Saiga have different model years or are they pretty much the same? I'm talking about something like a 2011 + production will have certain improved features that an older model will not??

I think the 'features' are unpredictable. What to look for:
1) Dimples. No one wants an AK without dimples! :1eye:
2) Threaded barrel. It's very difficult to tell either way, but if you're lucky it will come with the threads. Even if it does not, threading the barrel is not hard even as a DIY job.

JackRydden224
03-02-2012, 3:57 PM
I think the 'features' are unpredictable. What to look for:
1) Dimples. No one wants an AK without dimples! :1eye:
2) Threaded barrel. It's very difficult to tell either way, but if you're lucky it will come with the threads. Even if it does not, threading the barrel is not hard even as a DIY job.

Okay since I'm a total noob on AK I really need you guys to school me.

1.) What are dimples and what do I need them for?
2.) Threaded barrel is for muzzle breaks? Flash suppressor?
3.) Do all Saiga come side mount ready?
4.) If I want to mount my Eotech on the AK what's the best way to do it?
5.) If I want use Mako (Israeli made) stock, I would need to take out something else t be 922(r) compliant right? The going is I want a stock with cheek riser.

Thanks guys...;)

sd_shooter
03-02-2012, 4:56 PM
Okay since I'm a total noob on AK I really need you guys to school me.

1.) What are dimples and what do I need them for?

They look like this:
(See the divot right above the magazine)
http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/AK-003-Romanian-closeup-receiver.jpg

They serve to stabilize the magazine. Some AKs come without them and will have spacers inside to stabilize the mag. But I wouldn't be caught shooting an AK without dimples...


2.) Threaded barrel is for muzzle breaks? Flash suppressor?


A break, definitely. Something big like this, it's very effective:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/eos/images/product/xcdak74mb.jpg


3.) Do all Saiga come side mount ready?


Mine did.


4.) If I want to mount my Eotech on the AK what's the best way to do it?


Possibly get a rail to go over the dust cover or a rail to replace the old back sight. But if you're spending Eotech $$, might as well get a real AK sight like this:
http://kalinkaoptics.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/k/pk-as_ak_1_600_2.jpg

Link:
http://kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scopes/red-dot/pk-as-dual-black-dot-red-dot-tactical-combat-sight-ak-version.html


5.) If I want use Mako (Israeli made) stock, I would need to take out something else t be 922(r) compliant right? The going is I want a stock with cheek riser.

Since you said you're going to be converting it anyway, go ahead and use the Israeli stock. You'll have to toss the old stock and go with something new anyway!

MrPlink
03-02-2012, 6:49 PM
But I wouldn't be caught shooting an AK without dimples...


LOL, spoken like a true AK rookie. Guess you have never heard of the VEPR? :p

NorCalK9.com
03-02-2012, 6:55 PM
Wow!
Everyone of my ak's has dimples but I wouldnt give 2 hoots if it did or not.
There are rails inside the reciever that stabilize the mag.
Also OP go with the texas weapon system dustcover with peep sight.

JackRydden224
03-02-2012, 8:03 PM
I don't know what happened but when I came to, I already DROS'ed this guy :eek:

137917

It comes with threaded barrel, AK style hand guards and gas block. It's $100 more than the standard Saiga but I think the extras are well worth it. Now I have 10 days of jail time to gather the conversion parts.

For the optics I already have a Eotech 511 but I heard that if I put it on a side mount it would be too high. Am I better off selling it for a AK specific optic or am I okay?

Beetle Bailey
03-02-2012, 8:11 PM
Congrats! Is it a 5.45 or 7.62?

JackRydden224
03-02-2012, 8:32 PM
Congrats! Is it a 5.45 or 7.62?

Thanks!

It's a 5.45. I got it so I can shoot the super cheap surplus at OnTarget.

sd_shooter
03-02-2012, 9:26 PM
Looks good! And it came with dimples :gunsmilie:

sd_shooter
03-02-2012, 9:32 PM
LOL, spoken like a true AK rookie. Guess you have never heard of the VEPR? :p

Actually, I was shooting one of these before you were even gleam in your daddy's eye! :oji:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/RK_62_76.jpg/800px-RK_62_76.jpg

True story. (Finnish armed forces)

NorCalK9.com
03-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Op the texas weapon system dust cover mount will mount very very low and be perfect for an eotech

hypnoman
03-02-2012, 10:38 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/RK_62_76.jpg/800px-RK_62_76.jpg



Wow I miss this Valmet m76! I was too foolish to buy one when I had the chance!

How was she . . . looks like she would be a very accurate rifle.

JackRydden224
03-02-2012, 11:18 PM
Looks good! And it came with dimples :gunsmilie:

Yes it does.

Having this half converted weapon will make things much easier for me.

Op the texas weapon system dust cover mount will mount very very low and be perfect for an eotech

$139 is a steep price. I might just sell the eotech and get a traditional AK side mounted optic. We'll see.

JackRydden224
03-12-2012, 10:27 AM
Alright, I pick up my rifle from riflegear after work today. I can't wait ! I got 1080 rounds coming for $155 shipped coming my way. I will also order a muzzle break and fiber optic front sight post when I get home.

I think I want the ATI folding and collapsible stock with their Scorpion pistol grip. Does anybody have experience with ATI's stock?

hefedehefe
03-12-2012, 10:31 AM
Are you picking up a 545x39? I have an ati stock I will sell you for $40 its brand new never opened too

hefedehefe
03-12-2012, 10:31 AM
where did you get the ammo?

JackRydden224
03-12-2012, 10:59 AM
where did you get the ammo?

I ordered from sgammo. You can get 1080 rounds for $155 shipped or 2160 rounds for about $281 shipped. We are both in the O.C. so shipping rates shouldn't be that different.

I'll need to look into the stock. I plan on buying a kit from Carolina shooters that'll include everything I need besides a maglock and bullet guide.