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alfred1222
03-01-2012, 2:20 PM
Hey all, ive been looking at buying a m1919 belt fed rifle. This will not have a shoulder stock but would have the butterfly triggers. can someone tell me the laws regarding the belt, ie how many rounds can be linked at once, what features can and cannot be placed on it, that whole thing. i dont really know that much about it so im curious. thanks

emy
03-01-2012, 2:38 PM
I don't own one but talk to people who did, in Cal. only 10rd can be link. Out of state like nevada as much as your wallet will link

Muscles Glasses
03-01-2012, 2:40 PM
You want to get the 1919a4. The one with the stock is the 1919a6 which you cannot really have in CA. As far as I know it is ok to have because the pistol grip (or in your case spade grip) is not underneath the receiver it is behind it. Therefor a detachable magazine is ok or with the a4 a free top cover and removable belt. The belt can only be 10 rounds. You cannot own the cloth belts in CA because those are designed to hold I THINK something like 100 rounds. But the links are just fine as long as you don't link together anymore than 10 rounds. Join the beltfedshooters forum, its a huge wealth of information on this subject.

alfred1222
03-01-2012, 2:47 PM
Thanks!! those were really helpful

CAL.BAR
03-01-2012, 3:35 PM
Ok quick law primer. You CAN have the A6 (shoulder stock version) The only thing you CAN'T have is the flash hider on the A6. The 1919a4 as usually configured are not featured AW's b/c the trigger group is not below the receiver (actually behind it) so you're fine.

However, if you didn't have the presence of mind to link up a few 10 rd links prior to 2000 (like I did) then you CANNOT link more than 10 rds at a time.

PM me for more details as I just got one and have already gone through all of this and can save you A LOT of headaches.

anyracoon
03-01-2012, 3:45 PM
Check out http://www.beltfedshooters.com/

1919's are technically a crew feed weapon so they are exempt, the trick is to have pre-ban linked ammo and never shoot all of what is linked.
By the way wellcome to the 1919 club!

n2k
03-01-2012, 3:50 PM
Check out http://www.beltfedshooters.com/



+1

also contact EBR works when you are ready to purchase....he is set up to get John B McGuire builds direct.

GMG
03-01-2012, 4:10 PM
My pre ban "Izzy links" + I also have pre ban 250 rd. belts.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8574/lytlecreek007.jpg

CHS
03-01-2012, 5:18 PM
A 1919 that is not the A6 variant is simply a Title 1 "other" firearm. (ignore the people that call it crew-served, that has no meaning in the law).

Being an "other", and being over 26" long, it does not fall under any of CA's AW restrictions. It doesn't matter where the pistol grip is, since it's not a rifle. You can put the pistol grip conspicuously beneath the action and it's still legal.

Since the 1919 (again, non-a6 variant) is not legally a rifle, and does not fall under CA's AW laws, it can have any and all of the "evil" features. You can put a flare launcher on it, a vertical grip, a pistol grip, whatever.

Regarding the "magazine", which under CA law a belt of ammunition counts as, unless you owned linked ammunition which would fit that gun before 2000, you may not link more than 10rd's at a time in CA.

If you own a belt of ammunition that fits that gun and you owned it in CA before 2000, you can run it on that 1919 no matter what capacity it is. 250rd?s Just fine. Once you fire it, the belt falls apart into links, since it is legal to rebuild magazines in CA with new parts, you can put that belt back together with new ammunition to fire.

If you want the A6 variant, you have to be careful because now they are considered "rifles" in CA. As semi-automatic centerfire rifles, they are subject to CA's AW laws and as such cannot have ANY of the evil features. Now, because of where the pistol grip sits on a 1919, the "pistol grip" for an A6 variant does not meet CA's definition of pistol grip in regards to the AW laws, so it is not a feature. If the A6 has a forward pistol grip, flash hider, or collapsible or thumbhole stock, grenade or flare launcher, then you've got an assault weapon by CA law. As already said, with the standard A6's you just need to make sure they don't have a functional flash hider, and then they are legal.

I've got two 1919's in the garage, FYI :)

alfred1222
03-01-2012, 6:09 PM
would you be willing to part with one??? :D

CHS
03-01-2012, 6:20 PM
would you be willing to part with one??? :D

One's mine, one's my wifes. If I sold one, I wouldn't have my own. If I sold my wifes, she would kill me and feed me to our dog, and I wouldn't blame her one bit :)

CSACANNONEER
03-01-2012, 6:30 PM
in Cal. only 10rd can be link.

Wrong. Many of us legally possess +10 round linked belts that we can legally use in Ca.

You want to get the 1919a4. The one with the stock is the 1919a6 which you cannot really have in CA........... But the links are just fine as long as you don't link together anymore than 10 rounds.

Nothing wrong with an A6 in Ca. The PG is not a PG under CA AW laws. Just do not put a flash hider on it and a reglar A6 configuration is just fine.


1919's are technically a crew feed weapon so they are exempt, the trick is to have pre-ban linked ammo and never shoot all of what is linked.
By the way wellcome to the 1919 club!

Technically, there is no such thing as a "crew served" or "crew fed" weapon under Ca or Federal law. So, technically, there is no way that they are exempt from any Ca laws.

alfred1222
03-01-2012, 6:31 PM
One's mine, one's my wifes. If I sold one, I wouldn't have my own. If I sold my wifes, she would kill me and feed me to our dog, and I wouldn't blame her one bit :)

HAHAHA i completely understand

CAL.BAR
03-01-2012, 9:32 PM
You can find them rather often on 1919a4.com. They are not really expensive (about 2K) but that is not the real expense. Factor the tripod ($100-500) Tripod mount $500, links .6 to .10 each (will need at least 1K) spare parts, and of course AMMO lots of AMMO

I am in the process of converting mine from .308 to 7.62x54r (about .19 per shipped) I bought 15,000 rounds! Ammo for this thing costs more than the gun. This is advanced collecting so proceed accordingly.

CHS
03-01-2012, 9:44 PM
Took a picture of mine tonight. Taking it out to the desert tomorrow.

http://i.imgur.com/zQb5e.jpg

w55
03-01-2012, 9:56 PM
^^ Where did you get the tripod and pintle?

CHS
03-01-2012, 10:40 PM
^^ Where did you get the tripod and pintle?

Allied Armament.

50BMGBOB
03-02-2012, 1:33 AM
Be careful, belt-feds are contagious. Once you start you will want more. They are also expensive to feed. If you had belts from before the ban, it is legal to use them. If they are links, don't shoot them down below 11 rds and then you can add more to them. If you run links, get a linker. I think they are only around a $100-200 now. If you want, there are plans on line to make your own. I built one from scrap, my only cost was a router bit I had to buy for it.

I usually leave my longer belts at home and just do 10 rd belts at the range. My local range doesn't allow rapid fire and if you let a friend shoot, they will be tickle to fire a whole 10 rd belt but not as much if you tell them only fire 10 rds of a 250 rd belt. Besides, I am really good at changing belts now.

cdtx2001
04-27-2012, 6:51 PM
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae90/cdtx2001/1919a.jpg

Muscles Glasses
04-27-2012, 8:07 PM
Sorry I messed up on the info on the a6!! If you were to have the stock you would need to go featureless.. My bad :p

cdtx2001
04-27-2012, 9:34 PM
BTW, I've got a couple extra wood ammo boxes like the one pictured above if you want that authentic extra touch for your belts.

smle-man
04-28-2012, 12:13 AM
Sarco has a Chinese copy tripod, pintle and T&E for under $350 that works just as well as the real deal. The A6 version can be pretty heavy resting on the shoulder if you have the bipod all the way to the muzzle. The Israeli model of the bipod that fits on the A4 barrel jacket can be adjusted to slide down the jacket towards the receiver and is easier on the shoulder since it takes up some of the weight of the receiver in that position.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/P4140080.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/PA220035.jpg

AndrewMendez
04-28-2012, 12:27 AM
Psssssh, a tripod is for sissies.
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0385-2.jpg



Here she is up close:
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0743.jpg


OP, if your going to build or purchase a 1919, you need to do a lot of research. These guns are not like AR's or AK's. The are very picky. I built mine for $1300 with no tripod, that was about 12 months ago. You can not build one today for less then $1700-2000 as the kits are drying up like crazy, and everything has gone up in price.

Ask Bob said (who is the only reason I have mine built so well), these are contagious. I hope to have this built by the end of the year:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_M2_Mounted_Lance_lg.jpg

Your surrounded by members here with a ton of information. If you have any questions about legality, build, shooting problems, feel free to PM me.
Andrew

50BMGBOB
04-28-2012, 1:42 AM
Andrew does that mean you FINALLY shot yours?!?!

cdtx2001
04-28-2012, 8:14 AM
Psssssh, a tripod is for sissies.
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0385-2.jpg



So is trying to show off like that with a belt load of blanks.

smle-man
04-28-2012, 10:56 AM
http://images.moviepostershop.com/air-force-movie-poster-1943-1010428803.jpg

This is how they did it back in the Big One

AndrewMendez
04-28-2012, 12:04 PM
Bob, yup. It functioned flawlessly.



cdtx, good eye. Blanks are pennies vs 308, which is 80 cents a shot. I had 8 people in my group, I sure as hell was not going to spend 400 bucks to let them all shoot.

cdtx2001
04-28-2012, 4:59 PM
Bob, yup. It functioned flawlessly.



cdtx, good eye. Blanks are pennies vs 308, which is 80 cents a shot. I had 8 people in my group, I sure as hell was not going to spend 400 bucks to let them all shoot.

I don't blame you one bit. I've set aside all my brass .308 for my M1A and shoot steel cased ammo through mine. Everyone I've asked said they shoot it too and it doesn't hurt it one bit. Tulammo seems to work very well and from CTD it's about $.38/rnd. Can't beat that price especially when you're just blasting away at old cars and junk refrigerators.

Only problem I've had with the Tulammo was a broken case. I managed to extract it with a 3/8 bolt tap since I didn't have a broken case extractor. Other than that, the stuff is great.

AndrewMendez
04-29-2012, 12:55 PM
I don't blame you one bit. I've set aside all my brass .308 for my M1A and shoot steel cased ammo through mine. Everyone I've asked said they shoot it too and it doesn't hurt it one bit. Tulammo seems to work very well and from CTD it's about $.38/rnd. Can't beat that price especially when you're just blasting away at old cars and junk refrigerators.

Only problem I've had with the Tulammo was a broken case. I managed to extract it with a 3/8 bolt tap since I didn't have a broken case extractor. Other than that, the stuff is great.

The blanks actually make a pretty cool fireball too. I don't think I have shot Tula, most def have not shot Steel Cased. 38 cents a road is super cheap.
How hard was it to get the broken case out?

smle-man
04-29-2012, 2:16 PM
I shoot Wolf and Tula .308 in mine all the time. Never a problem.

cdtx2001
04-29-2012, 4:07 PM
The blanks actually make a pretty cool fireball too. I don't think I have shot Tula, most def have not shot Steel Cased. 38 cents a road is super cheap.
How hard was it to get the broken case out?

Surprisingly easy, especially when I took the barrel out of the extension. I stuck the 3/8 bolt tap down the chamber and began turning it clockwise with a small crescent wrench and boink, out came the steel case. Worked really well on my buddy's 30-06 barrel with a stuck brass case too. I've since got a correct 30cal broken shell extractor, but I still keep the tap in my tool kit for it.


BTW, regular FMJ ammo puts out a great fireball as well.

GMG
04-29-2012, 9:01 PM
Kits are going for major $$$$, on the 1914a4 board one went for $1000. :eek:

I'm in the process of building a 1919A2 Cavalry gun. It should turn out looking like this.
With a 18 5/8" barrel. Have to decide should I park it or blue it?

You might notice it has no rivets, side plate to bottom plate.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/638/a2onm2.jpg

50BMGBOB
04-30-2012, 1:43 AM
Bob, yup. It functioned flawlessly.


I glad, but I have to rib you and say it took you long enough!

cdtx2001
04-30-2012, 5:24 AM
Kits are going for major $$$$, on the 1914a4 board one went for $1000. :eek:

I'm in the process of building a 1919A2 Cavalry gun. It should turn out looking like this.
With a 18 5/8" barrel. Have to decide should I park it or blue it?

You might notice it has no rivets, side plate to bottom plate.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3901/14344fe4f477dc49ffff841.jpg

Nice project you got there, you'll have to post pics when you're done.

I noticed the price on kits is way up there as well. I paid $700 for mine from Iron Creations LLC about 4 years ago. It was an Israeli kit and already machined for semi-auto. Now that same kit is about double. RH side plates aren't getting any cheaper either.