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the governor
03-01-2012, 10:29 AM
I've made the decision to purchase my first "Black Rifle"! My budget is around $1000 but I don't like any of the choices available in that price range. So I'm building one. Not build where I order a complete upper and lower (that's lame and anyone that calls that a build is also lame). I'm going to assemble each half myself.
I've spent the last 8 weeks relentlessly researching and reading every AR article and review I could find. Originally from Wisconsin I want to support as many Wisconsin based companies as possible. With that in mind I've chosen a Bravo Company Manufacturing 16" mild length upper receiver and Midwest Industries rail. Unfortunately I couldn't find any company that will ship a stripped BCM lower receiver to CA. LAME! So I'm going with a Palmetto State Armory stripped lower and PSA MOE lower build kit.
I've ordered all the parts for my lower, as soon as they arrive I'll post pictures of the build.

HK Dave
03-01-2012, 10:34 AM
Great choices... you can get a BCM lower here... I believe Grant sells em. www.grtac.com

the governor
03-02-2012, 10:11 AM
I called G&R earlier this week they will ship complete lowers but I'm looking for a stripped lower. The search continues.

the governor
03-15-2012, 8:01 AM
The PSA lower and PSA lower parts kit arrived yesterday to Faith Armory in Temecula.
Now to wait for the lower to get out of DROS jail and I can finally start this build.

Baconator
03-15-2012, 8:03 AM
The PSA lower and PSA lower parts kit arrived yesterday to Faith Armory in Temecula.
Now to wait for the lower to get out of DROS jail and I can finally start this build.

Good choices, I have built a couple of PSA builds.

the governor
03-16-2012, 4:03 PM
Here' a pic of the PSA lower.
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-d48f-e203.jpg

And I couldn't resist. While I was filling out the FFL info at Faith Armory I picked up these for the new project.
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-d437-df53.jpg

the governor
03-30-2012, 11:18 AM
Today I'm at Coast to Coast Laser in Murrieta for the custom engraving on my lower. I'd like to thank John for quality work and exceptional customer service at a fraction of what the other engravers charge.
Here's a teaser pic.
http://img.tapatalk.com/47a5cbd4-06ff-f653.jpg

missiontrails
03-30-2012, 12:23 PM
Not sure why you would want to pay extra to have your local shop import a lower from out of state.... especially with a $1000 budget..... Lowers are EVERYWHERE locally.

jbush
03-30-2012, 3:04 PM
Not sure why you would want to pay extra to have your local shop import a lower from out of state.... especially with a $1000 budget..... Lowers are EVERYWHERE locally.

Was having trouble understanding that myself. Lowers are pretty inexpensive, why add the transfer costs. I believe Turners had some PSA lowers for $99, it's 20 bucks more then direct from PSA but no transfer fees. Where shopping lowers right now for a build for my son and we even figure in gas costs for 2 trips (1 to dros,1 to pickup) to the cost of the lower if we have to run for it. Every cost is something less we can add to the gun.

What did they charge to transfer it here?

TDL2024
03-30-2012, 3:49 PM
Just a heads up, recently undertook assembling a complete rifle myself and during my research I discovered quite a bit of people unhappy with MI rails. Mostly complaining that they were canted to one side or the other.

missiontrails
03-30-2012, 6:03 PM
Just a heads up, recently undertook assembling a complete rifle myself and during my research I discovered quite a bit of people unhappy with MI rails. Mostly complaining that they were canted to one side or the other.

I beg to differ... I just recently installed the new Gen 2 MI two-piece 12" free float rail on one of my rifles... I WOULD HAVE PAID MORE AFTER HANDLING/INSTALLING/SHOOTING IT:) The Gen 2's have a more robust mounting system than the older two piece free floats, they have KAC cutouts so that KAC rail panels actually lock up, and two QD sockets on each side. White laser etched T markings on all sides, and the finish is strong. Oh, did I mention that I think it's also the lightest four rail forearm out there (or very close)?
BTW, there is NO canting.

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/dehlers1/C4-1.jpg

the governor
03-31-2012, 2:13 AM
Not sure why you would want to pay extra to have your local shop import a lower from out of state.... especially with a $1000 budget..... Lowers are EVERYWHERE locally.

Your absolutely right. I paid a considerable amount more for the transfer, $80. I don't have a Turner's within 45 miles and after checking my local shops I wasn't happy with the selection for lowers locally. I couldn't find any with the finish I wanted. What I found had inconsistent coatings, dull grey color, or rough finishes. And the local shops wanted $140 and up for a lower. So i broke even after importing the PSA lower.

jbush
03-31-2012, 9:35 AM
Your absolutely right. I paid a considerable amount more for the transfer, $80. I don't have a Turner's within 45 miles and after checking my local shops I wasn't happy with the selection for lowers locally. I couldn't find any with the finish I wanted. What I found had inconsistent coatings, dull grey color, or rough finishes. And the local shops wanted $140 and up for a lower. So i broke even after importing the PSA lower.

I wouldn't think the Corona Turners is that far but ????? Maybe. Ya, you start factoring gas at 4.50 a gallon and the fact you have to make 2 trips, one to dros, on to pickup, plus the drive time and it can become a issue. Kinda in the same situation, I'm building an AR for my son, the lower he wants is at Riflegear, a 45 minute drive. Been trying to convince him to get something closer, since I have 2 Turners and Ammo Bros close by. Tough call right now especially with a lot of places "out of stock" on stuff. Good luck!

Bossdj02
04-01-2012, 2:49 AM
Today I'm at Coast to Coast Laser in Murrieta for the custom engraving on my lower. I'd like to thank John for quality work and exceptional customer service at a fraction of what the other engravers charge.
Here's a teaser pic.
http://img.tapatalk.com/47a5cbd4-06ff-f653.jpg

bump for pic of the engraving done

the governor
04-01-2012, 7:30 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/c6e4df05-748d-82c3.jpg
Here it is mid process. I'll have detailed pics once the build is complete.

the governor
04-06-2012, 7:34 PM
Here are some pictures of the process and the finished lower. <br />
I tapped the rear takedown detent and held it in place with a 4-40 set screw. I managed to avoid launching the spring across the shop!<br />
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-b436-19af.jpg<br />
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-b44b-eea3.jpg<br />
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-b463-1ef5.jpg<br />
Finished product waiting on the BCM upper. <br />
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-b477-12e8.jpg<br />
I'm a Magpul whore. <br />
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-b483-58d6.jpg<br />
More pictures and details about what parts I used and how much I paid once the build is complete.

Cucv
04-06-2012, 9:26 PM
whats the connecting rod on the wall go to?

the governor
04-07-2012, 4:33 AM
whats the connecting rod on the wall go to?

Its from a Subaru EJ20 that a friend and I parted out years ago.

The War Wagon
04-07-2012, 5:03 AM
Step 1 - throw AWAY "the budget." Focus on QUALITY, not "cost." I've NEVER built a rifle based on a, "budget." 'Low-bid' is for gummint procurment, NOT, rifle-building

Step 2 - decide what you want your rifle for, and STICK to that (CQB, training, plinking, long-range shooting, SPR, safe queen, et.al.).

Step 3 - Identify the BEST pieces to help you get there, and then research the hell out of them via the Interweb. Gently used off of equipment exchange boards is fine, too, and a great way to save money legitimately.

Step 4 - Pinch pennies. 'Til they SCREAM. Cut back on other things as necessary. Do you want a working rifle ASAP, or another $1.50 Mountain Dew from the office snack machine? Think of every OTHER purchase in those terms. If you're going to have a "budget," THAT, should be your budget.


Here endeth the lesson... :oji:

the governor
04-07-2012, 7:56 AM
I started out building a battle rifle and that's what I will have when I'm finished. With the exception of my lower I haven't made a choice based on cost and I won't in the future either. I set a budget so I would avoid spending $2k when I don't need to spend more than $1200. With that being said I'm still going to spend more than I planned, but such I life.
I'll order a BCM BFH 16" mid length upper, BCM BCG, and mod 4 Gunfighter charging handle this week. Then I just need a few odd items; rear MBUS, sling, sling mount, and red dot mount.
I'm using an A2 front sight so I'd like to get a tall mount. Any recommendations for a red dot sight?

chiz_65
04-12-2012, 9:04 AM
Hey guys, don't mean to hi-jack the thread but I'm a rookie looking to start my first AR build myself. Like the OP I was looking to buy a stripped lower online and have it shipped here. But I was told its like $100 to transfer stuff from out of state. Seems ridiculous. So, any veterans out there want to point me in the right direction?

I'm looking for a good priced Stripped lower near or around Los Angeles. Thanks guys!

pure3d2
04-12-2012, 10:28 AM
I've made the decision to purchase my first "Black Rifle"! My budget is around $1000 but I don't like any of the choices available in that price range. So I'm building one. Not build where I order a complete upper and lower (that's lame and anyone that calls that a build is also lame). I'm going to assemble each half myself.
I've spent the last 8 weeks relentlessly researching and reading every AR article and review I could find. Originally from Wisconsin I want to support as many Wisconsin based companies as possible. With that in mind I've chosen a Bravo Company Manufacturing 16" mild length upper receiver and Midwest Industries rail. Unfortunately I couldn't find any company that will ship a stripped BCM lower receiver to CA. LAME! So I'm going with a Palmetto State Armory stripped lower and PSA MOE lower build kit.
I've ordered all the parts for my lower, as soon as they arrive I'll post pictures of the build.

Why the negativity toward people who don't want or have the means to build their uppers? What's next, calling people who don't forge their own gun parts from scratch, lame also? How about people who don't go mining for metal ores then refine them into raw steel?

the governor
04-12-2012, 7:28 PM
Sorry if it comes off as negative or demeaning. If someone doesn't have the tools, knowledge, or time that's understandable, just don't call it a build. Someone that changes the rims and tires on their car, bolts on an exhaust, and installs a stereo hasn't build the car. The same is true for someone that connects a complete upper to a complete lower with the two takedown pins.

problemchild
04-13-2012, 7:06 AM
Mega ambi lower is the best on the market and NO roll pins needed.

chiz_65
04-26-2012, 10:10 AM
When building the lower...Does it matter which end of the trigger pin and hammer pin goes into the receiver first? There are a couple knotches in the pins (one in the middle, and one toward one of the ends. I watched a youtube vid and the guy put one in one way, and the other in the opposite way. I asked him what was up with that and he responded that it didn't matter which end went in head first. Thoughts?

Solidux
04-26-2012, 10:18 AM
Censor out your SN#. Just as a precaution. You never want a unique number floating around the internetz.

ptgarcia
04-26-2012, 10:30 AM
When building the lower...Does it matter which end of the trigger pin and hammer pin goes into the receiver first? There are a couple knotches in the pins (one in the middle, and one toward one of the ends. I watched a youtube vid and the guy put one in one way, and the other in the opposite way. I asked him what was up with that and he responded that it didn't matter which end went in head first. Thoughts?



No, it doesn't matter which side the notch is on.

chiz_65
04-26-2012, 11:50 AM
No, it doesn't matter which side the notch is on.

Thanks. Is there another tool that can be used to tighten down the castle nut for the buffer-tube if we don't have the special wrench?

ptgarcia
04-26-2012, 12:29 PM
Thanks. Is there another tool that can be used to tighten down the castle nut for the buffer-tube if we don't have the special wrench?


That I don't know. I borrowed a wrench from my neighbor.

the governor
04-26-2012, 10:08 PM
Thanks. Is there another tool that can be used to tighten down the castle nut for the buffer-tube if we don't have the special wrench?

I got mine for $8 from cheaperthandirt.com. Worth the $8.

the governor
04-26-2012, 10:26 PM
My BCM BFH 16" Mid length upper (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16%20bfh.htm), BCM full auto M16 BCG, and BCM Gunfighter charging handle.

http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-3a64-89cb.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-3a77-f7bc.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-3a8b-7939.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-3a9d-18cb.jpg

I can attest to this regarding BCM so far. Their customer service is outstanding and their shipping is quick!

Range review and final price coming soon.

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-27-2012, 12:37 AM
Gov,

I know the feeling of building from scratch. I built these two bad boy twins AR308's from scratch and grin from ear to ear when I look at this picture. Both are sub MOA @ 100 yards and I'm about to take out the CMC stage one and drop in a Geissele Super Semi Automatic Enhanced Trigger with some KNS anti roll pins.

Should put the cherry on top when I'm done :D

Congrats on your build.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/planetstation/IMG_9045.jpg

chiz_65
04-27-2012, 6:54 AM
I got mine for $8 from cheaperthandirt.com. Worth the $8.

Yeah, I just got one off Ebay for like $7... No hole punches or table vise though. Hopefully the rest of the lower-build goes alright!

the governor
04-27-2012, 7:42 AM
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/planetstation/IMG_9045.jpg

Nice work!

I will definitely build an AR-10 in the future. When I do and I have questions, I'll hit you up.

the governor
04-27-2012, 7:44 AM
Yeah, I just got one off Ebay for like $7... No hole punches or table vise though. Hopefully the rest of the lower-build goes alright!

Nice eBay score. I don't feel the vise box is necessary but a set of punches are. I got a set of brass punched and brass hammer from Harbor Freight for around $20.

artoaster
04-27-2012, 8:05 AM
I stopped by local tool store and picked up 3 roll pin punches made by Proto for $16. They were 3/32, 1/8, and 5/32".

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-27-2012, 8:06 AM
Nice work!

I will definitely build an AR-10 in the future. When I do and I have questions, I'll hit you up.

No problem Governor. I've been there, done that, and have the T-shirt. :D

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/planetstation/2012-04-15100105.jpg

Just let me know via a PM.

Cheers

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-27-2012, 8:20 AM
BTW are you going to take that new cool BR out to Angeles Shooting Range? My sister has a place in Rancho Santa Margarita (a little south of you), and the next time we drive down to visit I'm going to visit that range. Looks really cool. Especially after watching this video:

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the governor
04-30-2012, 7:48 PM
This video shows a pride is craftsmanship and American made products that this country lost years ago. It's great to see some still take pride in building quality.

About BCM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4CskJJxvY&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

FIREBALL_BRIAN
04-30-2012, 8:03 PM
Looks great congrats

Bowhunter_619
04-30-2012, 8:32 PM
WHAT??? Did you do any research, there is a Turners in San Marcos.

I got the same PSA lower from San Marcos Turners on the CALGUNS discount for 79.99 plus tax and dros; 116.52 out the door. I had patience, waited 3 weeks.

Also, San Diego is an hour away and there are plenty of shops with plenty of lowers availabe, Discount Guns had Anderson Arms lowers for 59.99.

Your absolutely right. I paid a considerable amount more for the transfer, $80. I don't have a Turner's within 45 miles and after checking my local shops I wasn't happy with the selection for lowers locally. I couldn't find any with the finish I wanted. What I found had inconsistent coatings, dull grey color, or rough finishes. And the local shops wanted $140 and up for a lower. So i broke even after importing the PSA lower.

the governor
05-01-2012, 8:03 AM
WHAT??? Did you do any research, there is a Turners in San Marcos.

I've been to the Turner's in San Marcos, probably the Turner's with the best selection of shooting supplies. When gas is $4 a gallon, I drive a full size truck, and my free time is limited, I can't always afford to drive to San Marcos.


Heavy Hitters Inc.
Sig, Remington, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Bravo Company Manufacturing, and H&R.

6doubleR
05-01-2012, 8:33 AM
Build came out great. Congrats on the first of many! :cheers2:

44fred
05-01-2012, 8:42 AM
Why the negativity toward people who don't want or have the means to build their uppers? What's next, calling people who don't forge their own gun parts from scratch, lame also? How about people who don't go mining for metal ores then refine them into raw steel?

+1. "Building" in the AR community is actually just an assembly of pre made parts that are almost never modified in any way. The term should be "assembled".

the governor
05-03-2012, 9:08 PM
We t out to my favorite BLM spot. This was my first range trip with the BCM, sighted in the MBUS at 50 yds and ran 140 rds through it. Runs like a dream! Also had an RRA AR, ACR, Sig226 (not pictured), and a Kimber 1911. An all around good trip to the range. http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-6378-b89e.jpg



Heavy Hitters Inc.
Sig, Remington, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Bravo Company Manufacturing, and H&R

the governor
05-05-2012, 8:12 PM
YHM brake and red dot installed!
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-f9e2-8368.jpg
And finally my last mod.
http://img.tapatalk.com/ad3a5fbb-fa0b-7ac8.jpg


Heavy Hitters Inc.
Sig, Remington, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Bravo Company Manufacturing, and H&R.

the governor
05-07-2012, 7:36 PM
A short video from the first range trip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLF6WlTacrY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Heavy Hitters Inc.
Sig, Remington, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Bravo Company Manufacturing, and H&R