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YoungGun86
02-29-2012, 11:27 AM
Please forgive me for asking a question that has already been answered several times. I am having trouble sorting through the various answers because most people are discussing this in terms of a full AK Conversion:

I just purchased a Saiga 7.62x39 sporter. I thought I had done all my research, but apparently I did not. I asked the dude at the pawn shop (supposedly an experienced gun salesmen) if the rifle took AK mags, and he assured me it did. I guess he wasn't "lying" just omitting some details.

I like the sporter configuration of the rifle. I intend on adding a scope and a bipod, but I don't want a full AK conversion. I like the rifle grip and the lack of BB magazine release.

All I want is to be able to use AK magazines, because they are so much cheaper than the Saiga factory 10 rounders.

I've read in several different threads and websites that adding a bullet guide does activate 922(r). I've also read that some say they "don't know" if it actually triggers 922(r), and I've heard others say that it absolutely does not trigger 922(r)

Can someone clarify this for me? How would anyone know there's a bullet guide in the weapon? I don't want to do a full AK conversion, just the ability to pay a reasonable price for magazines. Any advice or experiences are appreciated.

(I'm located outside of Los Angeles if anyone knows of build partys happening in the near future. I'd like to get someone with experience to tap the bullet guide screw hole. )

RookieShooter
02-29-2012, 12:34 PM
Since you don't want to do the conversion and not sure on how to install the bullet guide, why not make it easy on yourself and spend a few extra bucks on the Saiga mag and don't have to worry about 922r compliant.
I'm sure you can find one for around $15.

Munny$hot
02-29-2012, 12:39 PM
Double stack AK mags = 922r compliance parts

68Datsun510
02-29-2012, 1:16 PM
Yeah the minute you use other mags it triggers it. My brother is doing the same as you with a .223 Saiga. Only way to do it really is cough up the cash for REAL Izmash magazines...

http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/saiga-762x39-russian-factory-10-round-magazine-izhmash-p-148.html?zenid=bfc8248716b45365cf9e21ecbf44a62b

vf111
02-29-2012, 1:25 PM
Once you use mags that are greater than 10 rounds you trigger 922r (i.e. no longer "sporting"). Four US parts should get you to a legal 10 imported parts:

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildAkVerifyCompliance

That said, you can use US made AK mags like Tapco's and those count as three US made parts. Don't recall if the Saiga hammer is the same as an AK hammer but if so that's another one you can change out for a US part. I wish Ironwood made a wood Saiga stock & handguard set for the rifles....

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html

YoungGun86
02-29-2012, 1:40 PM
Very good info, this pretty much answers my question. These laws are so damn silly. I doubt anyone would ever say "HEY, those are imported AK magazines in that saiga sporter, CALL THE COPS!" . . . but that's not a chance i'm willing to take.

Thanks for the help. I'm going to cough up the cash and buy 2 or 3 factory 10 rounders for now, then start collecting parts for a bullet guide/ 922r compliance build.

RAMCHARGER
02-29-2012, 2:48 PM
What about aftermarket 10 round mags that also fit AK?

smle-man
02-29-2012, 3:52 PM
I have a Saiga .223 and the magazines are pretty easy to find. I keep picking them up from Calgunners who convert their Saiga carbine and need to dispose of their magazines. I stopped buying when I hit eight on hand.

vintagedude88
02-29-2012, 10:12 PM
It isn't a Kommiefornia thing, 922r is a Federal thing. No getting around it even if you move to another state.

Bullet guide is $20
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/saiga_762x39.html

10 rnd polymer AK mags are $15
http://www.riflegear.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=640&SEName=promag-ak-10-round-magazine-762x39mm-black-polymer&variantid=837

That should be easy enough for you to handle.

YoungGun86
03-04-2012, 4:59 PM
Picked up a few poly Siaga 10 rounders this last weekend for 20 bucks, Surefire mags.

Anyone have suggestions on mag pouches (vest or belt type) that work well with 10 round saiga mags? Going to take a carbine class but it requires mag carries.