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TreeHugger
02-28-2012, 8:28 PM
Looking to get an AR 308 with 16" barrel complete upper assembly to work with a Fullton Armory lower. But, if I have to buy a complete rifle instead, because another brand's upper will not work with the Fulton lower, than I may do that. Will most likely mount an Aimpoint on it. Initial thought is the DPMS LR308 AP4, but DPMS has a 6 month waiting period, IF I can get it faster, the better. Any comments on DPMS or suggestions on other preferred brands if money is not a major issue? (I currently have the DPMS LRT-SASS, for the price, it shoots good enough for me, even with non match ammo)

Also, the LR308 AP4 is only chrome moly, no chrome lined. DPMS state that chrome lined nowadays is not necessary for barrel life, because of better ammo, compared to 40 yrs ago, and that the only reason why they still make the .223 with chrome lined is because the police department requires it and that most people will not wear out a non chrome lined barrel in their whole life. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance

ahren111
02-28-2012, 9:14 PM
Why not a Fulton upper? I recently bought one of their barrels. I havent shot it yet but it sure looks nice :) No way I'd ever wait 6 months for anything dpms.

triggs75
02-28-2012, 9:35 PM
How about the Bushmaster 308 Magpul MOE Mid-Length Carbine in .308 in a 16" barrel.

Here http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/bushmaster/magpul-308-moe-ml-308-16in-20rd-black/

skkeeter
02-28-2012, 10:10 PM
If you can afford it, I don't think you could do much better than the LMT MWS, or the Larue.

DesertSniper
02-29-2012, 7:18 AM
If you can afford it, I don't think you could do much better than the LMT MWS, or the Larue.

if he can afford it, i think this one is in a league of its own...

http://jprifles.com/1.2.16_LR308.php

bubbapug1
02-29-2012, 7:44 AM
lmt mws....

Sicarius
02-29-2012, 8:37 AM
I have a DPMS sass upper on my fulton lower. Not sure if they changed something to make their lower proprietary but mine works just fine. DPMS in my opinion makes pretty good uppers. Mine does 1moa all day with surplus ammo. Replacement barrels are cheap when DPMS has sales so if I ever do wear it out, which I doubt, I can always replace it or upgrade later down the road. A lot of 308 barrels are not chrome lined. I wouldn't let that be a deal breaker... unless you are going to war.
Kevin

kurac
02-29-2012, 8:38 AM
I am in the same boat, except I already picked up a CMMG lower. I am leaning towards the Fulton side charging complete upper with a 26" 6.5 Creedmore barrel. 260 Remingto if they can get it.

skkeeter
02-29-2012, 9:02 AM
if he can afford it, i think this one is in a league of its own...

http://jprifles.com/1.2.16_LR308.php

What are you basing your opinion on the JP from. I know JP makes a quality top notch product, but I've never shot or handled one before. Just curious to know if you have one or have seen them in action that makes you believe it's in a league of it's own?

Sicarius
02-29-2012, 11:11 AM
I had the pleasure of shooting a JP and I must say, it was beautiful. It was side charging, had the free float with the heatsink under the grip. The recoil was really negated by their brake. A very well thought out system and super accurate. Went back to my DPMS SASS 308 and was instantly envious.
Kevin

glocklover
02-29-2012, 9:04 PM
what, no armalite love????

TreeHugger
02-29-2012, 9:38 PM
If I decide to splurge, maybe get something a little different, what about this, is it worth every penny or overpriced?

FN Scar 17S $2900
http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/1366.jpg

or better to stick with what's been working all along?

LaRue PredatAR 7.62 16" $2500
http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/1044.jpg

LMT 308 MWS 16" CL $2900
http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/1091.jpg

TURNKEY13
02-29-2012, 10:59 PM
I have Fulton's 308 Phantom upper with a Bennie Cooley brake on my Tactical Machine lower. Tight fit and shoots awsome. See pics in my earlier post.

My two cents.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=498064

RONIN.
02-29-2012, 11:42 PM
LaRue PredatAR 7.62 16" $2500
http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/1044.jpg


this

or

http://www.riflegear.com/images/product/large/968_1_.jpg

SFgiants105
02-29-2012, 11:58 PM
For an entry level .308 AR, I would probably go for a Remington R-25. I haven't really researched it, but I do own the R-15, and I can tell you that it is a great rifle. It's super accurate, even with crappy ammo, and is pretty damn reliable. The trigger is interesting too, as it isn't quite match-grade but is leaps and bounds better than the average 2-stage that comes in "tactical" setups. It's also really cool to own an AR that doesn't look like every other AR at the range (mine is woodland camo with a 24" barrel and a thumbhole stock).

Out of the high-end (out of the box sub-MOA) .308 ARs, the POF .308 seems to be the best deal at around $2500. I am currently in the market for one of these beauties, but they are an absolute pain to find (they have the whole 5 month build-time thing going on, as well)

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/model-p308-regulated-piston-recon-rifle-r308-fluted-semi-auto-fixed-stock-wmod-railed-rcvr-p-33607.html

From all the highroad and snipershide threads I have read, it seems to stacks up to the OBR, LMT and GAP-10 in terms of accuracy and price. Also it is piston driven, like the LWRC REPR, making it much easier to clean. Unlike the REPR, (base model: ~$2800, standard: ~$3300), it has a semi-reasonable price. Also, I have heard about mag-feeding issues with the REPR, although LWRC has probably fixed this by now. The upside to the REPR is that I have seen them in-stock on most sites, unlike any of the aforementioned $2000+ rifles.

Just my $0.02.

xoutxkastx
03-01-2012, 12:03 AM
if he can afford it, i think this one is in a league of its own...

http://jprifles.com/1.2.16_LR308.php

plus one on jp rifles. sick barrels with heat sink. just plain sick.

Coyotegunner
03-01-2012, 12:19 AM
I bought a Aero lower reciever,because Calif had a problem with Armalite.If the story was correct,Aero and Eagle were making them for Armalite.The rest of the gun is 100% Armalite.Standard A2 stock,tactical trigger and a 16"A4 top end set me back $1600.I got all of it through Armalite and 762sass on the web.I have put a few together for friends in different configurations,heavy T model barrels etc.We all like them.If money was no object,I would have the SCAR somebody mentioned.A friend has those in 223 and 308,they are neat.I hunt with mine and really like it being lighter and smooth sided then some other things.Man those K-rails will FF up a pickup seat.I got mine with the olive furniture and run a 30mm tube/6-24 power scope on it.Aero/Eagle/Armalite are proprietary and have different reciever to upper configurations then say the Remington,DPMS.I would have no problem with those,but I wanted a original manufacturer.I believe those would save you a few hundred bucks.Spend the extra on some decent optic.

DesertSniper
03-01-2012, 6:58 AM
What are you basing your opinion on the JP from. I know JP makes a quality top notch product, but I've never shot or handled one before. Just curious to know if you have one or have seen them in action that makes you believe it's in a league of it's own?


yes i have shot one, they are very smooth, well build and just as accurate as my rem 700.

TreeHugger
03-01-2012, 8:06 AM
Thanks to all replies, salivating for all mentioned brands, wish I to could get one each :^) but one that caught my eyes the most is the Larue 7.62 OBR 16". Just spoke with LaRue, they state 10K rounds approx barrel life, but more realistically, they swap out their demo gun barrels at 30K, so they claim 10K is an underkill. Gonna call their CA dealer right now.

skkeeter
03-01-2012, 8:27 AM
Riflegear website says they are in stock. I believe they don't ship on this one though.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-968-larue-tactical-stealth-obr-762-16.aspx

TreeHugger
03-01-2012, 9:39 AM
Riflegear website says they are in stock. I believe they don't ship on this one though.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-968-larue-tactical-stealth-obr-762-16.aspx

I'll have to special order and wait up to about 16 wks, since the default Geissele trigger is non adjustable with a 2 lb 2nd stage, I prefer the High Speed Match DMR instead and set 2nd stage to 1.25 lb. Just called their dealer, now is just a matter of when I am up to driving there.

Arnelcheeze
03-01-2012, 10:43 AM
my Mega MAten build, not done yet... fit and finish is perfect and you get the best of both worlds in an AR10 and LR308. Beware its a moneypit!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/osg/Buzzards/IMAG1071.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/osg/Buzzards/IMAG1047.jpg

Rekrab
03-01-2012, 12:31 PM
my Mega MAten build, not done yet... fit and finish is perfect and you get the best of both worlds in an AR10 and LR308. Beware its a moneypit!

As long as you never want to swap calibers...

I went with the DPMS style, and I've been happy with my TM Lower and DPMS A4 upper.

If you want to drop some serious cash, the LaRue and LMT are great 308 rifles.

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
03-02-2012, 6:46 AM
Beware its a moneypit!

++1, and if you have a spouse or girlfriend make sure they are on board with the project and are aware of the cost. I lost many hours of sleep over my recent AR10 project doing battle with the wife. I won :) (only because she loves me and wants me to be happy)

HK Dave
03-02-2012, 6:50 AM
Larue OBR, GAP 10, LMT MWS

In that order.

TreeHugger
03-02-2012, 6:55 AM
I lost many hours of sleep over my recent AR10 project doing battle with the wife. I won :) (only because she loves me and wants me to be happy)

Most wife's are drill sergeants, better listen or suffer the consequence. Luckily for me, I have a good hiding place :^)

TreeHugger
03-02-2012, 6:59 AM
Larue OBR, GAP 10, LMT MWS

In that order.

I'm definitely going LaRue OBR for prolong accuracy sake, I'll deal with the extra 1.5 lb, just have eat more protein. It's too bad that the wait is gonna be about 16 wks :(

the big ravioli
03-02-2012, 7:06 AM
what, no armalite love????

^^+100^^

nyc71
03-02-2012, 8:17 AM
I have Fulton's 308 Phantom upper with a Bennie Cooley brake on my Tactical Machine lower. Tight fit and shoots awsome. See pics in my earlier post.

My two cents.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=498064

I too have a similar setup, money well spent!

GettoPhilosopher
03-02-2012, 10:47 AM
I'm definitely going LaRue OBR for prolong accuracy sake, I'll deal with the extra 1.5 lb, just have eat more protein. It's too bad that the wait is gonna be about 16 wks :(

Dude, pick one up at Riflegear, sell your Geissele trigger, and buy a new one from Tier One Arms (find him on here, best prices I've seen). :P

Why wait 16 weeks just because you want a different trigger? You could have your new trigger mailed to you by Monday, and have your OBR in 10 days.

I'm sure someone will pick up your SSA. Hell, I'd buy it off you if I weren't broke right now. :P

TreeHugger
03-02-2012, 11:16 AM
Dude, pick one up at Riflegear, sell your Geissele trigger, and buy a new one

I wish I can get my hands on one today. True about selling the trigger, but I'm in Northern CA, I don't think I wanna drive 8+ hrs away, last time I did that at 100+MPH all the way down was 25 yrs ago and I did not even get a ticket :43: Unfortunately, Riflegear will sell to walk ins only for this gun, not sure why.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

GettoPhilosopher
03-02-2012, 11:32 AM
Dude, pick one up at Riflegear, sell your Geissele trigger, and buy a new one<br />
<br />
I wish I can get my hands on one today. True about selling the trigger, but I'm in Northern CA, I don't think I wanna drive 8+ hrs away, last time I did that at 100+MPH all the way down was 25 yrs ago and I did not even get a ticket :43: Unfortunately, Riflegear will sell to walk ins only for this gun, not sure why.<br />
<br />
Thanks for the suggestion though.
:facepalm:

Missed your location, sorry.

I want to say it's a LaRue thing. Try calling them?

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk

TreeHugger
03-03-2012, 3:18 PM
Placed the order today for the Larue OBR 16" 7.62 with

Geisele High Speed DMR trigger
Smith Enterprise Vortex Flash Suppressor
CTR & Ergo SureGrip

now, just have a sit and wait till end of June, looooong wait.

They showed me the LWRC, WOW, it just felt well built and has a very nice durable , almost scratch proof finish.

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Colt-45
03-03-2012, 3:25 PM
The LWRC REPR and don't look back.:D

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ivT1KysOpUs/TtX69g8lsVI/AAAAAAAAAZc/TG53-9XqC0o/s1600/LWRC_REPR_16_A.jpg

Fjold
03-03-2012, 3:32 PM
I went with the DPMS pattern on my Tactical Machine lower.

I wouldn't buy from Fulton just because the owner is a lying POS who tried to screw us (California) on the OLL issue back in 2006.