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taperxz
02-28-2012, 1:34 PM
Mr. Richards is being asked to resign by the CA legislature for shooting a Mountain Lion LEGALLY out of state. The assembly and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsome have the opinion that because our state prohibits shooting mountain lions that no one should be able to do it IF you live in this state. PLEASE TELL YOUR ASSEMBLY PERSON YOU OBJECT TO THIS, SEE BELOW FOR CONTACTS


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=540546
This is the link to our hunting forum^^^

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/114354088/FAX_20120224_1330112847_10
This is the document asking him to resign^^^

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html
This is where you can find your assembly person to reply

Mods! Again i am cross posting this to get more exposure of the situation. This has turned into a huge political issue and the anti gunners WANT this man out of their way. Hope you understand why i did this. thanks

Flopper
02-28-2012, 1:49 PM
Thank you for this, the links made this VERY simple.

It took less than five minutes to contact my representatives and tell them I support Richards and do not approve of his dismissal.

BUMP!

Untamed1972
02-28-2012, 1:58 PM
So CA is trying to say that CA laws/restrictions apply to all CA residents....even when they're out of state?

They want him to resign over doing something that was completely legal in the state he was in?

Tell now that CA Politicians ultimate goal is not total tyranny?!?!

taperxz
02-28-2012, 2:02 PM
For those of you who do not hunt.

This story would almost be akin to asking a politician to remove themselves from office because they went and gambled in the State of Nevada which is illegal to do in CA except on indian reservations.

The funny thing is though that even on Indian reservations CA hunting laws do not apply!!

Can you imagine a politician being removed for for such a reason?

SilverTauron
02-28-2012, 2:03 PM
So CA is trying to say that CA laws/restrictions apply to all CA residents....even when they're out of state?

They want him to resign over doing something that was completely legal in the state he was in?

Tell now that CA Politicians ultimate goal is not total tyranny?!?!

Indeed. This sets a disturbing precedent. Could a California resident be prosecuted for shooting an Assault Weapon in Nevada on vacation?

Untamed1972
02-28-2012, 2:04 PM
For those of you who do not hunt.

This story would almost be akin to asking a politician to remove themselves from office because they went and gambled in the State of Nevada which is illegal to do in CA except on indian reservations.

The funny thing is though that even on Indian reservations CA hunting laws do not apply!!

Can you imagine a politician being removed for for such a reason?

Guess I should hand over my AZ and UT CCWs then since I didn't get them from the Sheriff of the county I live in either aye? Just unfriggin' believable.

ETA: The docstoc.com link to the document requesting him to resign doesnt seem to work for me.

SilverTauron
02-28-2012, 2:09 PM
Interesting. I am surprised SF Sherriff Ross Mirikami did not receive a similar letter, unless domestic violence laws are not included in the laws that serve " as a model for other states in the Union and other countries to follow".

The hubris of that statement is astounding as it is insulting.

taperxz
02-28-2012, 2:12 PM
Interesting. I am surprised SF Sherriff Ross Mirikami did not receive a similar letter, unless domestic violence laws are not included in the laws that serve " as a model for other states in the Union and other countries to follow".

The hubris of that statement is astounding as it is insulting.

FWIW, Mr. Richards is basically a volunteer on this commission and is also the President. If he is removed, it will no doubt be an anti gunner, anti hunter, anti rights, person.

Untamed1972
02-28-2012, 2:17 PM
Can you post the contents of the resignation request for those of us that dont have FB or dont wanna sign up on another webiste just to read it?

glockman19
02-28-2012, 2:24 PM
Extraterritoriality?

dantodd
02-28-2012, 2:33 PM
We are governed by self-righteous idiots.

I wonder if the good assemblyman would write such a letter to someone who went out of state to marry a person of the same gender?

Flopper
02-28-2012, 2:33 PM
Can you post the contents of the resignation request for those of us that dont have FB or dont wanna sign up on another webiste just to read it?

http://bit.ly/zpUvK2

Click the second one, on newsom's site.

:)

LHC30
02-28-2012, 2:40 PM
Messages sent to Assemblyman and Senator.

taperxz
02-28-2012, 2:48 PM
From our Lt. Gov. (This is via CA.GOV)


February 27, 2012

Mr. Daniel W. Richards
President, California Fish and Game Commission
1416 Ninth Street, Suite 1320
Sacramento, CA 95814
President Richards,

Thank you for more than 4 years of service to the people of California as a member of the California Fish and Game Commission. Unfortunately, recent events make it clear that you cannot continue in any capacity on the Commission. (California wildlife official in hot water over mountain lion hunt, San Jose Mercury News, February 17, 2012) I must confess to a personal interest in this issue above those of my current office. As you may know, my father, Judge William Newsom is a long-time mountain lion protection advocate and past president of the Mountain Lion Preservation Foundation. Additionally, I have personally worked for the protection of these majestic animals and their habitat.

While not in California at the time, your actions call into question whether you can live up to the calling of your office. Since 1870 the Commission has worked to manage the wildlife resources of our state. As president of the commission, I am sure you understand that merely complying with the conservation laws of California is not the standard by which the Commission or its members are measured. As is stated on the Commission's website, your actions should be in the "best interest of the resource and truly reflect(s) the wishes and needs of the people."

I do appreciate that you did nothing illegal in Idaho, but it is clear that your actions do not reflect the values of the people of California. In 1972, Governor Ronald Reagan signed legislation banning the sport hunting of mountain lions in California for 5 years. That ban was twice renewed before the voters of California passed Proposition 117 in June 1990.

I'm sure I needn't remind you of the many challenges facing California and the important work ahead for the Commission. Your continued presence on the Commission is a distraction from those important issues.

As such, I am prevailing on your sense of civic service to respectfully request you resign, effective immediately, so we can move on to the pressing issues facing our great state.

Sincerely,




Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom

###

wjc
02-28-2012, 2:55 PM
Messages sent to Assemblyman and Senator.

Same for me.

RMP91
02-28-2012, 3:22 PM
Wow. Now even moving out of California won't be enough to escape it's laws.

Basically, if you were born here, or even had residency here for any period of time, you can kiss you rights goodbye, no matter where you hide... The laws of Free states will not apply to you if you're a Californian. Everyone else can have Assault Weapons and all the other goodies, we're basically prisoners/subjects no matter where we go to escape it.

I'm scared...

RMP91
02-28-2012, 3:24 PM
Indeed. This sets a disturbing precedent. Could a California resident be prosecuted for shooting an Assault Weapon in Nevada on vacation?

It's going to. There's nothing we can do, short of revolution. Besides, the rest of the other states hate our guts anyway. Just because we come from an extremely liberal state, they have the right to discriminate against us Californians although the *sane* Californians want nothing to do with it.

We're basically no better than those Westboro freaks in the eyes of residents of other states... They hate us, and always will. It's as if we're poisoning America.

emcon5
02-28-2012, 3:24 PM
I would love to find a article about Newsome going to a Casino in Nevada.

He did accept $3000 from someone classified as "Gambling and Casinos" when running for office:

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/70386/gavin-newsom

Coded-Dude
02-28-2012, 3:27 PM
California, SUPREME law of the land!

taperxz
02-28-2012, 3:34 PM
http://www.ltg.ca.gov/m_contact.asp


Hmmm, i think in light of his letter, it would be a good idea to inform the good LT. Governor Newsom of how we feel about this situation.

Please feel free to use the link above, its a direct connect link.

Fissssh
02-28-2012, 4:07 PM
Gavin Newsome is an embarrassment to this State and should resign.

oldyeller
02-28-2012, 4:13 PM
Thanks for posting this taperxz, I just sent the Lt. governor this:

"Can't believe your current view on wanting F&G commissioner Dan Richards to step down for legal hunting practices in another state! Did you know F&G manages wild life populations though LEGAL hunting? Did you know the only reason we have wild game is because of hunters dollars and F&G management? Just because mountain lions are protected here does not mean they don't need management in another state. Dan Richards is our friend, and practices sound management- Please do not ask him to step down over this.

Would you ask a police chief here to step down if they went to another state to get a same sex marriage because it is illegal here? Think about it."

chiselchst
02-28-2012, 4:19 PM
This is simply incredible!

The CoastSide fishing club is also doing it's own effort...

Gavin Newsome? What a joke. What a joke this entire ressignation deal is. Going -> send messages now.

Thanks for the links Tap!

dunndeal
02-28-2012, 4:26 PM
I sent an email to Loni Hancock and Sandre Swanson and also posted the link on the Coastside Fishing Club website.

Gavin Newsom is a douche. He shouldn't talk about anybody after banging his best friend's wife.

wjc
02-28-2012, 4:32 PM
Thanks for the link taperxz.

I also sent our Lt. Governor a little message.

RRangel
02-28-2012, 4:34 PM
From our Lt. Gov. (This is via CA.GOV)


February 27, 2012

Mr. Daniel W. Richards
President, California Fish and Game Commission
1416 Ninth Street, Suite 1320
Sacramento, CA 95814
President Richards,

Thank you for more than 4 years of service to the people of California as a member of the California Fish and Game Commission. Unfortunately, recent events make it clear that you cannot continue in any capacity on the Commission. (California wildlife official in hot water over mountain lion hunt, San Jose Mercury News, February 17, 2012) I must confess to a personal interest in this issue above those of my current office. As you may know, my father, Judge William Newsom is a long-time mountain lion protection advocate and past president of the Mountain Lion Preservation Foundation. Additionally, I have personally worked for the protection of these majestic animals and their habitat.

While not in California at the time, your actions call into question whether you can live up to the calling of your office. Since 1870 the Commission has worked to manage the wildlife resources of our state. As president of the commission, I am sure you understand that merely complying with the conservation laws of California is not the standard by which the Commission or its members are measured. As is stated on the Commission's website, your actions should be in the "best interest of the resource and truly reflect(s) the wishes and needs of the people."

I do appreciate that you did nothing illegal in Idaho, but it is clear that your actions do not reflect the values of the people of California. In 1972, Governor Ronald Reagan signed legislation banning the sport hunting of mountain lions in California for 5 years. That ban was twice renewed before the voters of California passed Proposition 117 in June 1990.

I'm sure I needn't remind you of the many challenges facing California and the important work ahead for the Commission. Your continued presence on the Commission is a distraction from those important issues.

As such, I am prevailing on your sense of civic service to respectfully request you resign, effective immediately, so we can move on to the pressing issues facing our great state.

Sincerely,




Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom

###

You can expect nothing less from anti-gun Gavin Newsom. He must be upset because his false utopia is unraveling right before him. It's more a reflection of his poor character than that of his attempted target.

taperxz
02-28-2012, 4:40 PM
Mr. Richards reply as of today 2/28/12

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/taperx/richards1.jpg
http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/taperx/richards2.jpg

wjc
02-28-2012, 4:57 PM
niiiice!

monk
02-28-2012, 5:58 PM
That is soooo awesome! Love his straight forward middle finger lol.

Mute
02-28-2012, 6:04 PM
I'm so sick of these tyrants. We need to bring back public guillotining.

Skidmark
02-28-2012, 6:10 PM
A PDF link to his "take a hike" reply:

http://sierraclubcalifornia.org/Documents/Richards-Letter.pdf

Ubermcoupe
02-28-2012, 6:21 PM
Mr. Richards reply as of today 2/28/12

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/taperx/richards1.jpg
http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/taperx/richards2.jpg

Heck yea! He should forward that to Newsom as well.

You seriously can’t make this up... :facepalm:

joe_sun
02-28-2012, 6:23 PM
Good for Mr. Richards!

SilverTauron
02-28-2012, 6:32 PM
I believe this incident serves notice to anyone who doubts the mental state of your legislative assembly.Those people genuinely believe they have the right to tell *the planet* what laws they should make.

huntercf
02-28-2012, 6:36 PM
That letter made my day. Even more reason to have a part time legislature. Those idiots have WAY too much time on their hands. I sent a message to newsom as well. I wish JB would pull those idiots into his office and rip them a new one (like that would ever happen). This is just another example of how arrogant these __________'s have become (fill in the blank yourself). They no longer represent or serve the people who elected them, they are self serving and IMO traitors.

cdtx2001
02-28-2012, 6:43 PM
Mr. Richards reply as of today 2/28/12

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/taperx/richards1.jpg
http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab131/taperx/richards2.jpg



Looks like Newsome's office DID get one of these forwarded to it.

Way to go!!! A polite way of saying MYOB and KMA.

monk
02-28-2012, 6:45 PM
"do not reflect the values of the people of California..."

Riiiight, the people of CA don't like being free in ANY state, right? Someone should ask for his resignation.

joe_sun
02-28-2012, 6:51 PM
The more I'm thinking about this the more upset it gets me. Where are all the Dems screaming for Assemblywoman Mary Hayashi (D-Hayward) to resign. She violated ACTUAL California law yet they protect her...

Shotgun Man
02-28-2012, 6:56 PM
This is nice drama. I like the Commissioner's letter.

axel4488
02-28-2012, 7:20 PM
That letter made my day. Even more reason to have a part time legislature. Those idiots have WAY too much time on their hands. I sent a message to newsom as well. I wish JB would pull those idiots into his office and rip them a new one (like that would ever happen). This is just another example of how arrogant these __________'s have become (fill in the blank yourself). They no longer represent or serve the people who elected them, they are self serving and IMO traitors.

But Jerry Brown is one of the many idiots we need to yank out of office. Why would he go after his own kind?

The more I'm thinking about this the more upset it gets me. Where are all the Dems screaming for Assemblywoman Mary Hayashi (D-Hayward) to resign. She violated ACTUAL California law yet they protect her...

See above.

Shotgun Man
02-28-2012, 7:30 PM
But Jerry Brown is one of the many idiots we need to yank out of office. Why would he go after his own kind?



It will be interesting to how, if at all, JB reacts to this.

He has proven himself to be principleless, illogical, even manic.

He has little reason to please gunners. He's already pissed them off beyond repair. I would imagine that few hunters support JB at this point.

As for Lt. Gov. Newsom, reading his letter and of his proud mountain lion heritage, I take it that he won't be happy until mountain lions are roaming the streets of SF, possibly even part of some unity parade.

Swiss
02-28-2012, 7:30 PM
On Wednesday morning 10am KQED Forum (88.5FM) will be discussing this. CALL IN.

shocknm
02-28-2012, 7:54 PM
... Gavin Newsom is a douche. He shouldn't talk about anybody after banging his best friend's wife.

****ing seriously. :Angel_anim:

Gray Peterson
02-28-2012, 8:01 PM
Let me sum up the Response Letter:

GFY

:D

wildhawker
02-28-2012, 8:08 PM
As for Lt. Gov. Newsom, reading his letter and of his proud mountain lion heritage, I take it that he won't be happy until mountain lions are roaming the streets of SF, possibly even part of some unity parade.

:rofl2:

I must give credit where due; the above is hilarious.

-Brandon

Gray Peterson
02-28-2012, 8:29 PM
It will be interesting to how, if at all, JB reacts to this.

He has proven himself to be principleless, illogical, even manic.

He has little reason to please gunners. He's already pissed them off beyond repair. I would imagine that few hunters support JB at this point.

He isn't going to do anything about him. He knows better.

As for Lt. Gov. Newsom, reading his letter and of his proud mountain lion heritage, I take it that he won't be happy until mountain lions are roaming the streets of SF, possibly even part of some unity parade.

You owe me a keyboard.

vincewarde
02-28-2012, 8:59 PM
I've sent emails to my Senator and to my Assemblyman and to Gov. Brown. I have also sent info to my whole family and asked them to do the same.

Now, is there an email address that we can send encouragement to Mr. Richards?

wjc
02-28-2012, 9:13 PM
I've sent emails to my Senator and to my Assemblyman and to Gov. Brown. I have also sent info to my whole family and asked them to do the same.

Now, is there an email address that we can send encouragement to Mr. Richards?

I didn't see any individual contact info on the Commission page.

chiselchst
02-28-2012, 9:17 PM
This is simply incredible!

The CoastSide fishing club is also doing it's own effort...

Gavin Newsome? What a joke. What a joke this entire ressignation deal is. Going -> send messages now.

Thanks for the links!

Mr. Richards is being asked to resign by the CA legislature for shooting a Mountain Lion LEGALLY out of state. The assembly and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsome have the opinion that because our state prohibits shooting mountain lions that no one should be able to do it IF you live in this state. PLEASE TELL YOUR ASSEMBLY PERSON YOU OBJECT TO THIS, SEE BELOW FOR CONTACTS


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=540546
This is the link to our hunting forum^^^

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/114354088/FAX_20120224_1330112847_10
This is the document asking him to resign^^^

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html
This is where you can find your assembly person to reply

Mods! Again i am cross posting this to get more exposure of the situation. This has turned into a huge political issue and the anti gunners WANT this man out of their way. Hope you understand why i did this. thanks

ColdDeadHands1
02-28-2012, 10:00 PM
"My 100% legal activity is none of your business"

and

"And we did dine on Mountain Lion for dinner"

Awesome! This guy may be the first public official I have ever truly supported. F you to all you rotten, liberal politician scum!

wjc
02-28-2012, 10:10 PM
"My 100% legal activity is none of your business"

and

"And we did dine on Mountain Lion for dinner"

Awesome! This guy may be the first public official I have ever truly supported. F you to all you rotten, liberal politician scum!

Agreed. I got giddy from that letter telling the Assemblyman to pound sand.

PPQ
02-28-2012, 11:08 PM
Sent to Senator, Assemblymember, Brown, Newsom and sent an Email of support via the F&G Department website too!

Newsom is an ID-10-T...:facepalm:

advocatusdiaboli
02-29-2012, 10:01 AM
Our legislators are a band of idiots, dangerously drunk with power and elitist double-standards.

I am not a proponent of shooting animals treed by dogs, I personally don't think it's really hunting but more like fish in barrel shooting. But that's my personal opinion. That out of the way, I support his right to do it where it is legal. I support his remaining in office. I particularly like his letter and the gaming analogy.

And I think Grizzlies and Mountain Lions roaming SF might help clean it up. Very few will have firearms to protect themselves. Ideal. They can start with the council chambers but they'll have to go to the capitol to get Harris. Worth the trip though.

duane_black
02-29-2012, 10:47 AM
I agree with every part of this post ! :D

Saw this on KTVU, made me throw up in my mouth. The bureaucrats are out of control in this state. A Fish and Game commissioner who hunts ? Say it aint so. Great letter by the way from Mr Richards, I will send my support.

Our legislators are a band of idiots, dangerously drunk with power and elitist double-standards.

I am not a proponent of shooting animals treed by dogs, I personally don't think it's really hunting but more like fish in barrel shooting. But that's my personal opinion. That out of the way, I support his right to do it where it is legal. I support his remaining in office. I particularly like his letter and the gaming analogy.

And I think Grizzlies and Mountain Lions roaming SF might help clean it up. Very few will have firearms to protect themselves. Ideal. They can start with the council chambers but they'll have to go to the capitol to get Harris. Worth the trip though.

otteray
02-29-2012, 11:20 AM
Some misinformation regarding all this.
He went for pheasant, was asked to join a hunt for a cat that was killing deer and other game, that was going to killed regardless. He did not pay 6 grand. The antis should praise him for saving Bambi, Thumper and maybe a child:)

ScottB
02-29-2012, 11:23 AM
Some misinformation regarding all this.
He went for pheasant, was asked to join a hunt for a cat that was killing deer and other game, that was going to killed regardless. He did not pay 6 grand. The antis should praise him for saving Bambi, Thumper and maybe a child:)

Source?

BigRig81
02-29-2012, 12:40 PM
Saw someone mention that Mr. Richards is a volunteer, he was appointed by the governator, and kept on by moonbeam. They are asking him to resign, but they could just vote him out.

Don't get me wrong, the lib-tards are some of the dumbest kooks I know of and I fully support Mr. Richards, but they have it in their power to remove him quite easily. All it takes is a simple majority by our state legislators and there is nothing anyone could do about it.

Dark Paladin
02-29-2012, 12:50 PM
Saw someone mention that Mr. Richards is a volunteer, he was appointed by the governator, and kept on by moonbeam. They are asking him to resign, but they could just vote him out.

Don't get me wrong, the lib-tards are some of the dumbest kooks I know of and I fully support Mr. Richards, but they have it in their power to remove him quite easily. All it takes is a simple majority by our state legislators and there is nothing anyone could do about it.

If that's the case, would Mr Richards have any standing for wrongful termination?

BigRig81
02-29-2012, 12:58 PM
If that's the case, would Mr Richards have any standing for wrongful termination?

No because that's how the democratic process works. It would suck, but he would have to deal with it.

I keep seeing people call this guy the president of the DFG (http://www.dfg.ca.gov)...wrong, he's the president of the CFGC (Ca Fish and Game Commission) (http://www.fgc.ca.gov). By people I mean a lot of the articles I'm seeing.

Dark Paladin
02-29-2012, 1:04 PM
No because that's how the democratic process works. It would suck, but he would have to deal with it.

I keep seeing people call this guy the president of the DFG (http://www.dfg.ca.gov)...wrong, he's the president of the CFGC (Ca Fish and Game Commission) (http://www.fgc.ca.gov). By people I mean a lot of the articles I'm seeing.

Democratic process also says Prop 8 stands. . . but we've seen how far that has gotten. . . :rolleyes:

I personally hate having to go through the courts to right wrongs. . . but at this point that's the only civilized option left. . .

otteray
02-29-2012, 5:33 PM
Source?

Santa Cruz Sentinel, San Jose Mercury, etc, etc...

Here's the source for you. (http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_20066211?source=rss)

Also...Dr. Bill Wattenburg (formerly at KGO in SF) on Santa Cruz station KSCO (1080 in the South Bay and beyond with the web and all,) will be addressing this topic next Monday (12 pm-2pm) when callers bring it up.
He touched on it briefly today, describing the critics and those that created the anti-cat hunting bills of the '70s as misguided (to put it mildly); and was pretty interested about discussing and taking on-air phone calls about the topic.
Hopefully, one of our many eloquent speakers here at Calguns will call in next Monday.

taperxz
02-29-2012, 5:45 PM
Santa Cruz Sentinel, San Jose Mercury, etc, etc...

Here's the source for you. (http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_20066211?source=rss)

I love the way the ranch manager mentions that the lion kill needs to be done to manage game on the ranch. Bleeding hearts who don't truly understand the biology of the how things work should have no say in how wildlife is managed.

They really are no different than people who blame "all those evil guns" for violence in America.

BassNut
02-29-2012, 5:58 PM
On Wednesday morning 10am KQED Forum (88.5FM) will be discussing this. CALL IN.

I listened to that this morning. WHAT A FRECKIN JOKE that was. 10 Min's into the 1hr discussion it turned into a debate on whether or not Mountain Lions should be hunted in California or not.............

I tried to call in but couldn't get through. I wanted to tell them that was NOT the point. IDIOTS, especially that Jennifer or whatever from the HSUS. I wanted to reach through the radio and Slap the piss out of her.

jwkincal
02-29-2012, 6:17 PM
I love the way the ranch manager mentions that the lion kill needs to be done to manage game on the ranch. Bleeding hearts who don't truly understand the biology of the how things work should have no say in how wildlife is managed.

They really are no different than people who blame "all those evil guns" for violence in America.

I was spoke to a fellow on a SoCal farm whose neighbor recently killed a puma because it was eating his goats. I wonder if the Assembly knows that there are people out there protecting their actual livelihood by the massacre of those precious, peaceful, helpless kitties (in point of fact what the CA goat rancher did was completely legal, but I'm sure that the Assembly will outlaw it in short order).

PPQ
02-29-2012, 7:09 PM
People here really don't understand the enviroment in Idaho, where I was born and raised.

You don't go into the forest unarmed and you keep your head on a swivel for cats, wolves and bears...they are not threatened species there. The last time I camped up there, a wolf walked straight though our camp...and howled, just for effect...:eek:

Most of the wildlife here is killed by cars when crossing roadways within their habitat. The Mountain Lion population continues to decline because of this and poaching.

It's thought there are less than 20 cats left in the Santa Ana Mountains on the Riverside/Orange County border...that is kind of sad...

jwkincal
02-29-2012, 7:17 PM
Most of the wildlife here is killed by cars when crossing roadways within their habitat. The Mountain Lion population continues to decline because of this and poaching.

It's thought there are less than 20 cats left in the Santa Ana Mountains on the Riverside/Orange County border...that is kind of sad...

The California DFG doesn't paint it that way at http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion/lion_faq.html

Mountain lions are not threatened nor endangered in California. In fact, the lion population is relatively high in California and their numbers appear to be stable. Mountain lions are legally classified as "specially protected species". This has nothing to do with their relative abundance and does not imply that they are rare.

taperxz
02-29-2012, 7:18 PM
People here really don't understand the enviroment in Idaho, where I was born and raised.

You don't go into the forest unarmed and you keep your head on a swivel for cats, wolves and bears...they are not threatened species there. The last time I camped up there, a wolf walked straight though our camp...and howled, just for effect...:eek:

Most of the wildlife here is killed by cars when crossing roadways within their habitat. The Mountain Lion population continues to decline because of this and poaching.

It's thought there are less than 20 cats left in the Santa Ana Mountains on the Riverside/Orange County border...that is kind of sad...

No, it's you that doesn't understand, CA is a HUGE state! There are plenty of lions UP here. California does not stop in SoCal, perhaps you should take a drive up and see for yourself.

Shotgun Man
02-29-2012, 7:19 PM
People here really don't understand the enviroment in Idaho, where I was born and raised.

You don't go into the forest unarmed and you keep your head on a swivel for cats, wolves and bears...they are not threatened species there. The last time I camped up there, a wolf walked straight though our camp...and howled, just for effect...:eek:

Most of the wildlife here is killed by cars when crossing roadways within their habitat. The Mountain Lion population continues to decline because of this and poaching.

It's thought there are less than 20 cats left in the Santa Ana Mountains on the Riverside/Orange County border...that is kind of sad...

In any event, direct your complaints to the Idaho DFG.

PPQ
02-29-2012, 7:28 PM
The California DFG doesn't paint it that way at http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion/lion_faq.html

The report is accurate for the state...but not the Santa Ana Mountain Range...

PPQ
02-29-2012, 7:31 PM
For your viewing pleasure...at least his office responded, and within 24 hours...

From: "Senator.Anderson@outreach.senate.ca.gov" <Senator.Anderson@outreach.senate.ca.gov>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Senator Anderson responds to you


Dear Brad:

Thank you for writing to me in opposition to any measures that would remove Dan Richards from the California Fish and Game Commission. I appreciate the opportunity to hear your thoughts on this matter. I will absolutely keep your opinion in mind should this issue come before me in the future.

California is better served when people like you take the time to make sure we have adequate information on these issues. An informed and engaged citizenry is important to effective government in our Golden State.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to make sure I understand your opinion. It is very important that I understand your views.

Please do not hesitate to call me at 619-596-3136 if there is ever anything I can do for you. Thank you.
Sincerely,

-Joel

Joel Anderson
Senator

PPQ
02-29-2012, 7:40 PM
For your viewing pleasure...at least his office responded, and within 24 hours...

From: "Senator.Anderson@outreach.senate.ca.gov" <Senator.Anderson@outreach.senate.ca.gov>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Senator Anderson responds to you


Dear Brad:

Thank you for writing to me in opposition to any measures that would remove Dan Richards from the California Fish and Game Commission. I appreciate the opportunity to hear your thoughts on this matter. I will absolutely keep your opinion in mind should this issue come before me in the future.

California is better served when people like you take the time to make sure we have adequate information on these issues. An informed and engaged citizenry is important to effective government in our Golden State.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to make sure I understand your opinion. It is very important that I understand your views.

Please do not hesitate to call me at 619-596-3136 if there is ever anything I can do for you. Thank you.
Sincerely,

-Joel

Joel Anderson
Senator

taperxz
02-29-2012, 7:51 PM
The report is accurate for the state...but not the Santa Ana Mountain Range...

Perhaps the Santa Ana mts. Don't have the ability to sustain a large population of lions? Nature kind of works that way.

motorhead
02-29-2012, 10:03 PM
probably not many in la jolla either.

Curtis
03-01-2012, 2:20 AM
Mountain lions are very common in South Orange County. I've seen several myself. In some areas there are sightings reported daily.

People here really don't understand the enviroment in Idaho, where I was born and raised.

You don't go into the forest unarmed and you keep your head on a swivel for cats, wolves and bears...they are not threatened species there. The last time I camped up there, a wolf walked straight though our camp...and howled, just for effect...:eek:

Most of the wildlife here is killed by cars when crossing roadways within their habitat. The Mountain Lion population continues to decline because of this and poaching.

It's thought there are less than 20 cats left in the Santa Ana Mountains on the Riverside/Orange County border...that is kind of sad...

otteray
03-01-2012, 4:51 AM
From the dupe thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=8135168&postcount=1

[I]Default TAKE ACTION to support pro hunting F&G commissioner
You can use this link to send a pre written message to all your representatives.
http://keepamericafishing.salsalabs.com/o/6394/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4066


IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED

California Sportsmen: Pro-Hunting Commissioner's Position in Jeopardy

Anti-hunting groups are trying to force pro-sportsmen, pro-hunting Commissioner Dan Richards off the California Fish & Game Commission. Why? Because he legally took a mountain lion during a hunt in Idaho.



A. Attend March 7 Commission meeting in Riverside, Calif., and speak in support of Commissioner Richards.

The Mission Inn Hotel & Spa San Diego Room1 3649 Mission Inn Avenue Riverside

8:30AM

B. Contact your Assemblymember and Senator and tell them to support Commissioner Richards.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html

C. Contact Gov. Brown 916-445-2841 and tell him you support Commissioner Richards.

D. Contact the California Fish & Game Commission 916-653-4899 and support Commissioner Richards.



Act today. Under state law, any fish and game commissioner can be removed by a simple majority vote in both houses of the state Legislature.



Currently 40 of the 80 members of the Assembly are calling for Richards to resign. This could easily tip the balance of power on the Commission into the hands of anti-hunting extremists.



Show your support for Commissioner Richards today!
__________________

Skidmark
03-01-2012, 6:24 AM
I'm sending my letters, in opposition to efforts to remove him, to CA legislators and officials today. He hasn't broken any laws, and his performance in his official CA state duties has not, to my knowledge, been of such a low calibre to merit his ouster.

Untamed1972
03-01-2012, 7:39 AM
Mountain lions are very common in South Orange County. I've seen several myself. In some areas there are sightings reported daily.

I can confirm that. I've seen cats on northern Camp Pendleton a couple of times, and a couple of years ago another person employed by the same outfit I am had a VERY close call with one on Camp Pendleton as well.

does the great Gavin Newsome realize that F&G wardens regularly hunt problem cats in this state? So why is that ok? Oh yeah...I forgot, it's always OK for state agents to do things the rest of us are not, even when doing it legally in another state! :rolleyes:

ScottB
03-01-2012, 7:56 AM
There are lions in San Juan Capistrano - in Caspers Park and open space areas visible from the I-5. I have seen them and their tracks. I was followed by one a couple years ago hiking in the hills off the Tenaja truck trail. They are also in the hills behind Talega in San Clemente. They are all through the Santa Ana mountains and the canyon communities in and around them. Lots of lions in SoCal all the way down past the 8. They are just better at not being seen than coyotes and bobcats.

Fish
03-01-2012, 10:55 AM
Gavin Newsom is a douche. He shouldn't talk about anybody after banging his best friend's wife.

His personal life aside... while there are plenty of intelligent and thoughtful people with well-considered opinions different from my own, on the Second Amendment and other topics, Gavin Newsom is not one of them. I lived in San Francisco during his election and initial tenure as mayor there, and let me tell you: the man is a moron who looks good in a suit and is able to express just the right fashionable opinions to convince the (not-terribly-discerning) San Francisco electorate that he's one of them.

I remember seeing a nationally televised panel discussion of up-and-coming American mayors, which consisted of several people with intelligent, articulate, and nuanced thoughts on the problems confronting American cities today... plus Gavin Newsom, who it was painfully obvious had nothing to add to the discussion. The best you could say about his performance is that for the most part he had the brains to keep his mouth shut. The man would be out of his depth in a kiddie pool.

... not that my opinion counts for much or helps anything, but I had to get that off my chest. Thanks for listening. :)

kidrice
03-01-2012, 12:44 PM
I would love to find a article about Newsome going to a Casino in Nevada.

He did accept $3000 from someone classified as "Gambling and Casinos" when running for office:

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/70386/gavin-newsom

i agree. This means that any state politician should not be allowed go to Reno or Vegas.

jwkincal
03-01-2012, 1:00 PM
The report is accurate for the state...but not the Santa Ana Mountain Range...

Quite possible... but I was refuting the "population is declining" remark, something the DFG site clearly does.

It wouldn't surprise me if the numbers for the region as you describe are correct, in spite of the earlier anecdotal reports in this thread... that area is pretty heavily encroached and the puma is a wide-ranging and pretty strict territorial beast. It would only take a handful to fill what is left of that part of CA. But even the experts have to guess when it comes to felis concolor. There are places back east where they are considered to be locally extinct in spite of the hunting community's multiple spotting reports.

When I had a private range at Burro Canyon last October, there were at least two dozen piles of big kitty scat all over the range... so I know they ain't gone in the San Gabriels!

ETA nice kitty... http://xkcd.com/999/

Uxi
03-01-2012, 1:14 PM
Newsome is such a piece of ****. Like Villaraigosa, his ambition is barely veiled and everything he does is just a stepping stone.

00Medic
03-01-2012, 2:13 PM
Dan Richards on KFI, John and Ken show, right now.

chiselchst
03-01-2012, 2:14 PM
The comical claims outrage is growing for his hunting in Idaho.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/01/MNU11NE3J0.DTL

Maybe the willow trees will swing the other way when all of the folks register their complaint with such an action...

I hope the OUTRAGE of this political BS grows!

00Medic
03-01-2012, 2:18 PM
So... Newsome wants his own father appointed to F&G. Whaaat a surprise. :facepalm:

joe_sun
03-01-2012, 2:41 PM
Just read an article at sacbee.com where Steinburg calls Richard a Jack....

I really need to move....

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

echo6cavedog
03-01-2012, 6:59 PM
For your viewing pleasure...at least his office responded, and within 24 hours...

From: "Senator.Anderson@outreach.senate.ca.gov" <Senator.Anderson@outreach.senate.ca.gov>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Senator Anderson responds to you


Dear Brad:

Thank you for writing to me in opposition to any measures that would remove Dan Richards from the California Fish and Game Commission. I appreciate the opportunity to hear your thoughts on this matter. I will absolutely keep your opinion in mind should this issue come before me in the future.

California is better served when people like you take the time to make sure we have adequate information on these issues. An informed and engaged citizenry is important to effective government in our Golden State.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to make sure I understand your opinion. It is very important that I understand your views.

Please do not hesitate to call me at 619-596-3136 if there is ever anything I can do for you. Thank you.
Sincerely,

-Joel

Joel Anderson
Senator

I received the same email, word for word from Senator Anderson. And here I thought we were now buds. :( :p

advocatusdiaboli
03-01-2012, 7:21 PM
I love the way the ranch manager mentions that the lion kill needs to be done to manage game on the ranch. Bleeding hearts who don't truly understand the biology of the how things work should have no say in how wildlife is managed.

They really are no different than people who blame "all those evil guns" for violence in America.

They don't really understand the cycle of life and predation checks and balances on prey (including hunters). they don't realize that most higher animals eat other animals for sustenance routinely, without remorse, as an act of nature. Locked away, safe in their imaginary world, they view hunting as they would predation—with fear and disgust. Simply because they don't really understand nature at all.

Cylarz
03-01-2012, 7:38 PM
I'm sure by now you've seen this story:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/03/anti-hunting-sentiment-reaches-fever-pitch-in-california-legislature.aspx

I had a debate about this yesterday with a co-worker. He wants the man removed from his position because he failed to "set a moral example." I pointed out that no laws were broken, as it is perfectly legal to shoot a mountain lion in Idaho, just not here.

He responded with, "Of course, you're a hunter. Naturally that's the side you'll come down on." He then went on to accuse me of being inconsistent (how, I can't possibly fathom). The guy tends to have anti-law enforcement attitude in the first place. (He also gets his news from Jon Stewart and thinks the Occu-tard movement is striking an important blow against America's corporate juggernauts.)

I don't see a problem here, and I agree with the NRA's position that A) it's important to have actual hunters on the F&G Commission and B) that it's a good idea to contact Gov Brown and my state Rep and Senator to tell them to leave President Richards alone.

Thoughts?

stix213
03-01-2012, 7:46 PM
If they don't do this to any official that gambles in Las Vegas, then they are all hypocrites.

Shotgun Man
03-01-2012, 8:04 PM
From the LAT's editorial today (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-0229-lion-20120301,0,3648055.story):

While there's no question that Richards showed bad judgment by shooting the lion and flaunting his kill (as well as questionable taste if, as he suggests, he actually ate it), we don't believe his resignation is required for doing something that was perfectly legal where he did it.


What's of greater concern is that as a commissioner — and now as president of the commission — he has been an abysmal steward of wildlife and an obstructionist rather than a conservationist. That judgment is based not on his lion-hunting expedition but on his record. He has voted consistently against regional plans to implement the Marine Life Protection Act (which the commission approved anyway) and passionately opposed the commission's moves to broaden the ban on the use of nontoxic ammunition.

Apparently, the DFG commission sought to broaden the ban on the use of nontoxic ammunition and Richards opposed it. Curious that LAT would excoriate him for that.

Cylarz
03-01-2012, 8:10 PM
My comment to Newsom's office:

"The backwardness of your recent letter to CA F&G President Richards is simply mind-boggling. 'Move on to the pressing issues facing our great state,' indeed, LG Newsom. How about not wasting any more of California citizens' time and money on this nonsense?

You disappoint me, sir."

He didn't seem too concerned about upholding the law (much less California's image) while conducting illegal gay marriages as mayor of San Francisco.

yelohamr
03-02-2012, 12:57 PM
Can he legally bring the head and pelt, from Idaho to CA?

Wherryj
03-02-2012, 1:21 PM
Indeed. This sets a disturbing precedent. Could a California resident be prosecuted for shooting an Assault Weapon in Nevada on vacation?

I'd hate to see the PRK's stance on their residents driving on the Autobahn. Should all tourists to Germany surrender themselves-and all of their money-upon return to the Utopia?

Skidmark
03-02-2012, 1:49 PM
Has DFG been effective at reducing poaching in California under Richards? If so, he deserves to stay...

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/enforcement/caltip.aspx

Skidmark
03-02-2012, 2:47 PM
On the other hand, if he took an expensive gift and failed to report it, as required by law, then he has given his opponents all they need to cleanly obtain his ouster. Just as we gun owners have to tread carefully the myriad laws that regulate our possession and use of firearms, so too do appointed commissioners and elected officials have to pay careful attention to the rules here that govern political contributions and gifts.

Daniel Richards, a San Bernardino County Republican who has been a commissioner since 2008, was allowed to go on the hunt and shoot the cat without paying - a package that usually costs $6,800, according to the complaint filed with the California Fair Political Practices Commission.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/02/BA221NFBVG.DTL

RRangel
03-02-2012, 4:57 PM
The honorary national hunt idea in the other Bweise thread sounds about right. I'd be highly suspicious of claims coming from the anti-gun rights, anti-hunting, and anti-freedom camp over these preposterous claims of impropriety, when it comes to hunting. This nothing more than one of the many manufactured distractions from the idiots that help continually damage California.

Rotnguns
03-02-2012, 6:20 PM
Would he mind coming back up here and getting a few wolves??

SpoonKiller
03-03-2012, 5:32 AM
Sorry, but I'm on the cougar's side on this one. Beautiful animal, I have zero sympathy for people who get their rocks off killing them.

javalos
03-03-2012, 6:46 AM
For all its worth, I sent e-mails to the Governor Moonbeam, Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (barf), and the dept. of F&G. No wonder CA is heading down the toilet, especially with idiots like Newsom.

Don Edmondson
03-03-2012, 6:52 AM
Sorry, but I'm on the cougar's side on this one. Beautiful animal, I have zero sympathy for people who get their rocks off killing them.

We have one wolf that walked in on his own. f&g tracked him bet he don't make through the week end. from albion Idaho

otteray
03-03-2012, 6:59 AM
Sorry, but I'm on the cougar's side on this one. Beautiful animal, I have zero sympathy for people who get their rocks off killing them.

Your missing a key point.

This is all about radical gun control measures down the line if he is replaced.

Do you really think the representatives that are demanding his resignation really give a rat's *** about a cat that is not even on the endangered species list?

SpoonKiller
03-03-2012, 7:32 AM
Your missing a key point.

This is all about radical gun control measures down the line if he is replaced.

Do you really think the representatives that are demanding his resignation really give a rat's *** about a cat that is not even on the endangered species list?
All gun control imposed on law abiding citizens is radical, but it has nothing to do with whether or not I oppose shooting mountain lions for sport. I vote on issues as opposed to the idea that my only choice is one of two teams and only being able to support the totality of their positions.

IVC
03-03-2012, 7:37 AM
Sorry, but I'm on the cougar's side on this one. Beautiful animal, I have zero sympathy for people who get their rocks off killing them.

Emotions, emotions.

What do looks have to do with the wildlife management? Only "ugly" animals can be hunted? The cougar you are talking about is an obligate carnivor which means it cannot even process plants. Translation: it must kill to live. The poor little kitty killed many, many, many other cute little animals that also "didn't deserve to die" and had their "rights" violated. If we are to project human society and emotions, taking that cougar is akin to getting Bin Laden.

The cougar is cute, though. I'll give you that.

Serpentine
03-03-2012, 7:51 AM
If Richards has to go - this guy, and affiliates, should be fired too!

Obama plan for spotted owl targets rival bird.

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_20066914?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

Obama plan for spotted owl targets rival bird

By Matthew Daly and Jeff Barnard

Associated Press
Posted: 02/28/2012 09:05:59 PM PST
Updated: 02/29/2012 10:37 AM PST

WASHINGTON -- To save the imperiled spotted owl, the Obama administration is moving forward with a plan to shoot barred owls, a rival bird that has shoved its smaller cousin aside.

The plan is the latest federal attempt to protect the northern spotted owl, the passive, 1-pound bird that sparked an epic battle over logging in the Pacific Northwest two decades ago.

The government set aside millions of acres to protect the owl, but the bird's population continues to decline -- a 40 percent slide in 25 years.

A plan announced Tuesday would designate habitat considered critical for the bird's survival, while allowing logging to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire and to create jobs. Habitat loss and competition from barred owls are the biggest threats to the spotted owl.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar called the plan "a science-based approach to forestry that restores the health of our lands and wildlife and supports jobs and revenue for local communities."

By removing selected barred owls and better managing forests, officials can give communities, foresters and land managers in three states important tools to promote healthier and more productive forests, Salazar said.

The new plan, which replaces a 2008 Bush administration plan that was tossed out in federal court, affects millions of acres of national, state and private forest land in Washington, Oregon and Northern California.

The plan to kill barred owls
would not be the first time the federal government has authorized killing of one species to help another. California sea lions that feast on threatened salmon in the Columbia River have been killed in recent years after efforts to chase them away or scare them failed.

The U.S. Agriculture Department kills thousands of wild animals each year -- mostly predators such as coyotes -- to protect livestock. Other animals, including bears, wolves and raccoons also are killed through the program.

Officials acknowledge that the plan to kill barred owls creates an ethical dilemma but say an experiment on land in Northern California has shown promising results. Spotted owls have returned to historical territories after barred owls were removed.

Scott1600
03-03-2012, 8:04 AM
Maybe the cathuggers will feel different after a few more liitle kids get carried off by the apex predator. Since hunting was banned, cat populations have grown to the point where their territories are now encroaching the burbs. One life lost or a kid disfigured because of libereral "feel good" policies is one WAY TOO MANY.
As far as Richards, I called my reps and senator. Just another clear example of how common sense has been thrown in the trunk while feely-hopey-changey crowd drive us right into tyranny and slavery.

Cylarz
03-04-2012, 1:22 AM
Sorry, but I'm on the cougar's side on this one. Beautiful animal, I have zero sympathy for people who get their rocks off killing them.

No one is asking you to have any "sympathy" for Richards, and it's too late to be on the "cougar's side," as it is already dead.

At issue is whether or not Richards should be removed from his post, since he's made it abundantly clear he has no intention of stepping down. Since he did not break any laws (I remind you that it is legal to shoot cougars in Idaho, where the killing took place), I am hard-pressed to come up with a good reason for getting rid of Richards. But I can come up with at least two or three good reasons for leaving him alone:

- We need actual hunters in positions of authority on governmental bodies responsible for making and enforcing hunting regulations, for purposes of perspective

- If Richards is to be ejected for doing something legally in another state (just because said act is illegal in this one), as others have pointed out, we'd better get rid of every public employee who has ever gone to Reno or Las Vegas to gamble.

- No one would care about this if Richards were a private citizen. Why does he give up his hunting rights just because he happens to be employed in this capacity? That's not fair to him. So it's OK for you or me to go to Idaho and shoot a cougar, but not for him? Why not?

Really, it's easy to sit around and complain that he should be held to a "higher standard" because of the post he occupies, but again, what does that mean in this case? A higher standard of WHAT behavior, exactly? What would that look like? I suppose you could claim that we expect a higher behavioral standard for cops, preachers, and others in authority, but really there's nothing that those people should abstain from that is OK for the rest of us, not that I can think of.

- This really isn't about Richards or even about the stupid cat he shot. It's about putting the screws to someone because he killed an animal for sport. You'll notice all the people making racket about this are the usual suspects: the same hysterical people coming completely unglued whenever someone does something they do not like, in this case, hunting. You have entire organizations (PETA, HSUS, and the SPCA immediately come to mind) that are dedicated to ending sport hunting entirely in this country.

I was especially irritated that our Lieutenant Governor had to stick his neck out over this, writing some self-righteous letter complaining about the need for California's officials to focus on the business at hand, or some such rot...when Richards isn't the one distracting our state's government or elected officials from doing their jobs. It's the other way around.

Newsom in particular isn't someone I want to hear complaining about upholding the law or setting a moral example; he is a major FAIL on both counts.

Wrangler John
03-04-2012, 2:56 AM
We can prattle on about this subject, but Richards is going to lose his post. That's the way liberal Democratic politics work; violate one of their assumptions or theological doctrines and you will be dismissed.

Richards serves at the pleasure of the governor and can be dismissed at any time. His use of official letterhead to defend a personal action is cause enough. He should have written a personal letter as his use of Commission letterhead gives the appearance that he is speaking for the Commission as a matter of official policy. Serious mistake.

Your letters of support are meaningless to the pols simply because there are not enough of you to make any difference in their ability to fund raise or be reelected. The opposition is numerous, well organized and funded, illogical and driven by emotion. Few have even seen a mountain lion, except on television, but revere them for their "beauty". To them Richards is a murderer of an innocent character from their Disneyesque world of happy creatures living in harmony with nature.

They will not allow the same mistake to be made again, a pro-hunting commissioner will not be appointed as his replacement. Sorry, just a dose of reality. Hunting, or "consumptive" use of wildlife, is marked for extinction in California, including on state and federal public lands as inconsistent with their world view. Enjoy it while you can.

chiselchst
03-04-2012, 3:11 AM
THIS is the point. It's that simple...



- We need actual hunters in positions of authority on governmental bodies responsible for making and enforcing hunting regulations, for purposes of perspective

- If Richards is to be ejected for doing something legally in another state (just because said act is illegal in this one), as others have pointed out, we'd better get rid of every public employee who has ever gone to Reno or Las Vegas to gamble.

- No one would care about this if Richards were a private citizen. Why does he give up his hunting rights just because he happens to be employed in this capacity? That's not fair to him. So it's OK for you or me to go to Idaho and shoot a cougar, but not for him? Why not?

Really, it's easy to sit around and complain that he should be held to a "higher standard" because of the post he occupies, but again, what does that mean in this case? A higher standard of WHAT behavior, exactly? What would that look like? I suppose you could claim that we expect a higher behavioral standard for cops, preachers, and others in authority, but really there's nothing that those people should abstain from that is OK for the rest of us, not that I can think of.

- This really isn't about Richards or even about the stupid cat he shot. It's about putting the screws to someone because he killed an animal for sport. You'll notice all the people making racket about this are the usual suspects: the same hysterical people coming completely unglued whenever someone does something they do not like, in this case, hunting. You have entire organizations (PETA, HSUS, and the SPCA immediately come to mind) that are dedicated to ending sport hunting entirely in this country.

SanPedroShooter
03-04-2012, 5:39 AM
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jamesob
03-04-2012, 6:52 AM
Sorry, but I'm on the cougar's side on this one. Beautiful animal, I have zero sympathy for people who get their rocks off killing them.

I have no respect for people who kills spoons just to get their rocks off.

ScottB
03-04-2012, 7:44 AM
So an animal's relative attractiveness in your eyes determines the morality of hunting it? Please give a list of animals you find sufficiently unattractive that we can hunt them and thus keep your "respect". Also, can we discuss limits on ugly vs. beautiful fish? I'm thinking we need at least higher limits on the ugly ones

As a corollary, I know a number of ugly people that I find troublesome if not downright offensive. If I kill them, should it only be a misdemeanor?

BTW, I think spoonies are beautiful ducks. Guess where you rate on my respect-o-meter?

Gray Peterson
03-04-2012, 8:18 AM
We can prattle on about this subject, but Richards is going to lose his post. That's the way liberal Democratic politics work; violate one of their assumptions or theological doctrines and you will be dismissed.

Richards serves at the pleasure of the governor and can be dismissed at any time. His use of official letterhead to defend a personal action is cause enough. He should have written a personal letter as his use of Commission letterhead gives the appearance that he is speaking for the Commission as a matter of official policy. Serious mistake.

Your letters of support are meaningless to the pols simply because there are not enough of you to make any difference in their ability to fund raise or be reelected. The opposition is numerous, well organized and funded, illogical and driven by emotion. Few have even seen a mountain lion, except on television, but revere them for their "beauty". To them Richards is a murderer of an innocent character from their Disneyesque world of happy creatures living in harmony with nature.

They will not allow the same mistake to be made again, a pro-hunting commissioner will not be appointed as his replacement. Sorry, just a dose of reality. Hunting, or "consumptive" use of wildlife, is marked for extinction in California, including on state and federal public lands as inconsistent with their world view. Enjoy it while you can.

I think Richards has a bigger problem with the "gift acceptance" than the mountain lion hunting itself. 6800 for his excursion was paid for by the owner of the ranch. When you enrage a large population of people and a bunch of politicians, it's best if you have your stuff in order.

acourvil
03-04-2012, 9:24 AM
6800 for his excursion was paid for by the owner of the ranch.

What is your source for that? The only reports I have seen are that a cougar hunt would normally cost $6800, and that his guide for a pheasant hunt he was on asked him to help kill a cougar because their elk/deer herds were being impacted by the ranch's cougar population.

Wrangler John
03-04-2012, 10:05 AM
I think Richards has a bigger problem with the "gift acceptance" than the mountain lion hunting itself. 6800 for his excursion was paid for by the owner of the ranch. When you enrage a large population of people and a bunch of politicians, it's best if you have your stuff in order.

You are absolutely correct. When I worked for a county I had to be very careful about such things. Never accepted any gifts whatever. Even discounts from stores could only be accepted if the same discount was available to all county employees. Several employees in various divisions were fired for selling everything from scrap auto batteries, surplus communications gear, and even cans and bottles collected from garbage cans. I established a policy where payment for recyclable cans and bottles were backed up by weight receipts and payments made by check payable to the county. Checks were deposited into the general fund through the Treasurer's Office. An employee has to be squeaky clean.

Too bad Richards wasn't aware of the gotcha nature of political transgressions.

otteray
03-04-2012, 1:07 PM
According to the ranch's price list, his cost of the lodging and bird hunting was between $3200 & $4800.
Knowing that fact and the fact that he was asked to help on a depredation hunt, we know that he was not gifted for $6800 and was doing the same thing he does in California; that is, game management.
Had he charged for that service of dispatching the rogue cat, that would have been a "conflict of interest" with his job in California and could be in trouble.
He did not do that.

wurger
03-04-2012, 2:53 PM
While I support Richards right to legally hunt in other states, I have to question his common sense in posting photos of himself with his kill on the web. This shows a certain amount of "cluelessness" on his part.

No photo, no problem.

Unless he intended to make a statement and knew what was coming...

taperxz
03-04-2012, 5:28 PM
While I support Richards right to legally hunt in other states, I have to question his common sense in posting photos of himself with his kill on the web. This shows a certain amount of "cluelessness" on his part.

No photo, no problem.

Unless he intended to make a statement and knew what was coming...

Mr. Richards is basically a volunteer who makes $100 per meeting to cover costs of being there. He actually has a real job other than the F&G commission.

Politically, it's not a great move. He is not a politician though. He's basically a volunteer and someone who loves hunting. If I shot that cat you have no idea how I would have posed with it for the camera!

24Sailor
03-04-2012, 5:44 PM
While I support Richards right to legally hunt in other states, I have to question his common sense in posting photos of himself with his kill on the web. This shows a certain amount of "cluelessness" on his part.

No photo, no problem.

Unless he intended to make a statement and knew what was coming...

He didn't post the photo on the web...It was posted in WON (Western Outdoor News) an outdoors rag. The HSUS trollers, who have been hunting him way longer than he hunted the cougar, found it, then, treed him and shot him worldwide. The witch hunt started way before he went to Idaho.

taperxz
03-04-2012, 5:48 PM
He didn't post the photo on the web...It was posted in WON (Western Outdoor News) an outdoors rag. The HSUS trollers, who have been hunting him way longer than he hunted the cougar, found it, then, treed him and shot him worldwide. The witch hunt started way before he went to Idaho.

Yep! The LT. Gov of CA has made it clear he wants his dad on this commission.

Falconis
03-04-2012, 7:09 PM
I may have missed it, but is anyone doing anything for the guy? If so, can someone direct me to the site.

What a load of bull**** the guy is enduring. To me, it just proves these radical libs care nothing for the law or even ethical standards, if they were ever taught it.

taperxz
03-06-2012, 3:43 PM
Bump

Reminder to call your assembly person to oppose removing Mr. Richards from his position.

terdog
03-06-2012, 4:18 PM
I just recieved this email from my Assembly rep in response to my complaint via this thread.

Hello Terry,

Thank you for contacting my office regarding your support of California Fish and Game
Commission President, Dan Richards. I appreciate hearing from you on this matter.

Although some members of the state Legislature have recently called on Mr. Richards to
resign from the Commission, his actions while hunting in Idaho did not violate Idaho
state law. Some may disagree with him hunting a mountain lion, but his actions were not
illegal.

California residents cannot and should not be expected to follow California law in all
other states.

Therefore, I do not support the removal of Mr. Richards from the commission.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your concerns with me.

Best regards,



BETH GAINES
Assemblywoman, 4th District


Finally, some common sense!

dalriaden
03-06-2012, 9:48 PM
mountain lions suppose to be good eating, and thats about all I've got to contribute since i can't coherently express my frustration with him being asked to resign.

DEVOREGUNNER
03-07-2012, 6:18 AM
For those tree hugger types that think that mountain lion hunting is a bad thing I totally disagree. The small community that I live in has been overrun with the little darlings the past several years. A number of sightings have been made at all times of the day. A number of livestock attacks and kills have been reported by residents. The following is a newspaper report of a mountain lion captured just four properties away from mine. I have a photo of three together caught by my trail cam in a canyon near me. Also pics of a neighbors Llama killed and another neighbors Donkey injured in a lion attack. If someone wants the pics contact me as I am unable to upload them to this post.

Mountain lion captured in Devore

12:32 PM PDT on Thursday, September 16, 2010

Game wardens have tranquilized a mountain lion in Devore and are taking the animal deeper into the San Bernardino Mountains after it caused a stir this morning by prowling outside a house near a school bus stop.
"He's in the back of my pickup truck ... sleeping it off," said Kevin Brennan, of the California Department of Fish & Game. "We'll just be returning him up the hill."
The big cat was first noticed about 6:30 a.m. in a tree outside a house along Marion Lane in Devore, a foothill community beside Interstate 15 between northwestern San Bernardino and the Cajon Pass. The resident summoned deputies who called state Fish & Game wardens.
At 10:20 a.m., the gregarious critter was dosed with tranquilizer darts.
"It took a couple of shots," said Brennan. "He didn't go down on the first dart."
The young male -- estimated to be less than 2-˝ years old -- caused no major trouble. He merely was being a mountain lion, but was too close to town and children, Brennan said.

24Sailor
03-07-2012, 7:05 AM
12:32 PM PDT on Thursday, September 16, 2010

Game wardens have tranquilized a mountain lion in Devore and are taking the animal deeper into the San Bernardino Mountains after it caused a stir this morning by prowling outside a house near a school bus stop.
"He's in the back of my pickup truck ... sleeping it off," said Kevin Brennan, of the California Department of Fish & Game. "We'll just be returning him up the hill."
The big cat was first noticed about 6:30 a.m. in a tree outside a house along Marion Lane in Devore, a foothill community beside Interstate 15 between northwestern San Bernardino and the Cajon Pass. The resident summoned deputies who called state Fish & Game wardens.
At 10:20 a.m., the gregarious critter was dosed with tranquilizer darts.
"It took a couple of shots," said Brennan. "He didn't go down on the first dart."
The young male -- estimated to be less than 2-˝ years old -- caused no major trouble. He merely was being a mountain lion, but was too close to town and children, Brennan said.

This was the policy the Alaskan Fish & Wildlife dept. tried a few years back. In Cordova where I fish they would tranquilize nuisance brown bears that would come to town to scavenge, tag them and ship them off to Montague Island where they had plenty of natural food and habitat. Within no time at all, the bears would return, at which point they were destroyed vs. relocating a second time. If you look at a map you will see this was one heck of a long swim for said bears. This is no longer the policy in AK so bears don't usually get a second chance. You would think that maybe we could learn something from a state that's economy is heavily dependent on sportsmen and non-consumptive wildlife enthusiast's tourist dollars. They manage with sound science, not emotion.

markm
03-07-2012, 8:13 AM
We can prattle on about this subject, but Richards is going to lose his post. That's the way liberal Democratic politics work; violate one of their assumptions or theological doctrines and you will be dismissed.

Richards serves at the pleasure of the governor and can be dismissed at any time. His use of official letterhead to defend a personal action is cause enough. He should have written a personal letter as his use of Commission letterhead gives the appearance that he is speaking for the Commission as a matter of official policy. Serious mistake.

Your letters of support are meaningless to the pols simply because there are not enough of you to make any difference in their ability to fund raise or be reelected. The opposition is numerous, well organized and funded, illogical and driven by emotion. Few have even seen a mountain lion, except on television, but revere them for their "beauty". To them Richards is a murderer of an innocent character from their Disneyesque world of happy creatures living in harmony with nature.

They will not allow the same mistake to be made again, a pro-hunting commissioner will not be appointed as his replacement. Sorry, just a dose of reality. Hunting, or "consumptive" use of wildlife, is marked for extinction in California, including on state and federal public lands as inconsistent with their world view. Enjoy it while you can.

Wrangler John,

You have it right. Richards violated one of liberalism's theological tenants; therefore, he must be cast-off as a sinner and labeled as a permanent sub-human for violating progressive dogma.

It's all about emotions and stage-one-thinking. Banning my hunting of Lions in Idaho, even though it is legal there, is consistant with progressive thinking. Individual freedom is not important to these people, its all about collective rights (which includes collective human-like rights for kitty-cats of all stripes).

markm

glbtrottr
03-07-2012, 8:37 AM
Ben Hueso Chupa mi Hueso

chiselchst
03-07-2012, 3:08 PM
Once in a while, there's CDF&G guy sportsman respect. Dan has considerable support. The DFG IS a political agency. I was involved in the MLPA/MPA boondoggle years back, where science was just tossed out the window at the blue ribbon task force BS hearings and they did what they wanted using junk science.

I've seen Julia Packard completely influence the DFG with monies from her personally, and buying seats on panels (her employees at the Monterey Bay aquarium). It's such a sham.

The Headline should read:

Head of DFG Hunts Mountain Lion and Gets Atacked!

jaymz
03-07-2012, 3:48 PM
Anyone know the outcome of the F&G Commission meeting this a.m. in regards to this? I had jury duty and could not make it.

jaymz
03-07-2012, 4:27 PM
If anyone is interested, ABC news is going to be reporting on it in a few minutes.

greasemonkey
03-08-2012, 9:05 AM
The San Joaquin Valley 105.9FM KMJ's Inga Barks show is discussing the 4 sad pandas who showed up to the meeting to boycott Dan Richards, along with the packed room of people in opposition to the call for Dan Richards' resignment:
http://www.kmjnow.com/pages/listenliveplayer1059fm


:)

Uxi
03-08-2012, 9:23 AM
That's great! :D

ja308
03-08-2012, 8:41 PM
I understand the hearing's are captured (shot,in honor of mountain lion) in 2 parts on You Tube . Please report if you can access ..

Should be interesting viewing -- let us know if it works OK .

dave_cg
03-08-2012, 9:35 PM
Shenanigans after his supporters left the room. See piece in the Merc.

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_20134519/wildlife-official-caught-mountain-lion-controversy-may-be

greasemonkey
03-09-2012, 6:57 AM
Wow, I didn't realize the history behind this. It's amazing how many things I'm learning about that Ronald Reagan initiated that continue to bite lawful gun owners in the ***, time and time again.

GO TOM PEDERSON GO!! One of the few positive things to be said for today's CRPA is that Tom Pederson ROCKS!


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ja308
03-09-2012, 8:04 AM
Maybe the cathuggers will feel different after a few more liitle kids get carried off by the apex predator. Since hunting was banned, cat populations have grown to the point where their territories are now encroaching the burbs. One life lost or a kid disfigured because of libereral "feel good" policies is one WAY TOO MANY.
As far as Richards, I called my reps and senator. Just another clear example of how common sense has been thrown in the trunk while feely-hopey-changey crowd drive us right into tyranny and slavery.

I see it the same way . In fact at leas 2or 3 young people have been attacked ,mauled and in one case for sure killed !

It has been reported ,since the ca. ban on hunting M.L. more cats have been killed by F+G than were taken by hunters.

Ignorant liberals fail to note , a hunted animal avoids humans.:43:

ja308
03-09-2012, 8:16 AM
[QUOTE=greasemonkey;8185788]Wow, I didn't realize the history behind this. It's amazing how many things I'm learning about that Ronald Reagan initiated that continue to bite lawful gun owners in the ***, time and time again.

GO TOM PEDERSON GO!! One of the few positive things to be said for today's CRPA is that Tom Pederson ROCKS!



QUOTE]Reagan wrote the ban on mountain lion hunting ? NO
or did he do an executive order? NO
The 1st ban was a 5 year ban , passed by the California LEGISLATURE in 1972 --- You said Ronald Reagan INITIATED ! This is MISTAKEN !
Governor Ronald Reagan did sign it.
he had no choice , if he vetoed it , the democrat conrolled press would have ended his poliical career.

He would have been demonised for allowing the murder of innocent animals , probaly showing a camo clad hunter with face paint ,waiting with a scoped AR ,featuring a 30rd mag After the shot ,and dead lion . It would show a bunch of guys w/o teeth high 5ing each other , while passing around a whiskey bottle ! Final comment would something about an 18 year step daughter .

I will examine Tom Pederson very carefully after your spin on Ronald Reagan .
You have lost credibilty by your one sentance slam on Reagan !

greasemonkey
03-09-2012, 8:53 AM
March 1, 1972, the bill that Reagan signed went into effect as law, a moratorium on hunting mountain lions. It wasn't until 1990 that Proposition 117 was put on the ballot but a bunch of idiot sheep, just to prove how truly F'd up California's ballot initiative process is...we the people can make up our own laws if enough signatures & money thinks it's a good idea, another failure true-democracy (mob rule).
Reagan wrote the ban on mountain lion hunting ?
or did he do an executive order?

Or did he sign this garbage after a majority of cailfornia voters passed it via
Inititive . You know the will of the people , concept , damned if you do , damned if you dont.

I will examine Tom Pederson very carefully after your spin on Ronald Reagan .
You have lost credibilty by your one sentance slam on Reagan !

Nor Cal Scot
03-09-2012, 9:10 AM
Shenanigans after his supporters left the room. See piece in the Merc.

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_20134519/wildlife-official-caught-mountain-lion-controversy-may-beThat's effing BS! Seriously, the public has no say anymore.

1BigPea
03-09-2012, 10:52 AM
These environmental groups and the humane society are completely wacko. I love animals but hunting, something i've done my whole life has been happening since the beginning of the human race!

greasemonkey
03-09-2012, 12:09 PM
At least animals don't have to die for the meat at the grocery store :43::eek:
These environmental groups and the humane society are completely wacko. I love animals but hunting, something i've done my whole life has been happening since the beginning of the human race!

Scarecrow Repair
03-09-2012, 4:43 PM
QUOTE]Reagan wrote the ban on mountain lion hunting ? NO
or did he do an executive order? NO
The 1st ban was a 5 year ban , passed by the California LEGISLATURE in 1972 --- You said Ronald Reagan INITIATED ! This is MISTAKEN !
Governor Ronald Reagan did sign it.
he had no choice , if he vetoed it , the democrat conrolled press would have ended his poliical career.

He would have been demonised for allowing the murder of innocent animals , probaly showing a camo clad hunter with face paint ,waiting with a scoped AR ,featuring a 30rd mag After the shot ,and dead lion . It would show a bunch of guys w/o teeth high 5ing each other , while passing around a whiskey bottle ! Final comment would something about an 18 year step daughter .

I will examine Tom Pederson very carefully after your spin on Ronald Reagan .
You have lost credibilty by your one sentance slam on Reagan !

That's one of the most pathetic attempts at twisting history I have seen in a long time.

He took responsibility for it when he signed it. That's one of the most fundamental parts of the job. He himself wouldn't have blamed anyone else for his signature.

Politicians are quick to have signing ceremonies for bills they sign, so they take the blame too. If he couldn't stand up to the Democrats on that, then he had no backbone. You are trying to argue it both ways, and it's embarrassing.

BTW, if you think St Ronald was so fine, look at the gun control acts he signed as both governor and president. Your education is sorely lacking. If you want to do anything to advance gun rights, you had better start paying attention to history. Otherwise you are just cannon fodder for the Brady Bunch and their ilk, who would shred your arguments so fast you'd feel naked and wish for the comfort of the womb again.

PPQ
03-09-2012, 5:59 PM
Did anyone hear the KFI interview with Richards and then a couple of his (crazy) detractors??

Here is a response from my local assemblyman:

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Assemblymember.Nestande@outreach.assembly.ca.gov"
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: Regarding Commissioner Daniel Richards

Dear:

Thank you for contacting me regarding Fish and Game Commissioner Daniel Richards. I appreciate your input.

Mr. Richards has always conducted himself honorably and consistent with the duties assigned to him both as public servant and a member of the California Fish and Game Commission. He has also been a reasoned voice on the Commission, balancing the interests of protecting California’s natural resources and environment, with the outdoor recreational needs of our State.

As pointed out in several newspaper columns and editorials, no political appointee or elected official can be expected to honor all California laws in all 50 states. This is neither a reasonable expectation, nor a possibility. Because of these above reason I support Commission Daniel Richards and asking for his resignation is unjust and unreasonable.

Again, I appreciate your concern. Should you be interested in keeping up on developments in the State Capitol and around the 64th District, I invite you to visit my website at www.assembly.ca.gov/64 where you may sign up to receive my monthly newsletter.

It is an honor to serve you in the California State Assembly.

Sincerely,


BRIAN NESTANDE
Assemblyman, 64th District

chiselchst
03-13-2012, 7:27 AM
Well, he gets to stay on the board, but not as president.

"Democratic Assemblyman Ben Hueso said Friday that he is dropping his effort to oust Fish and Game Commission President Dan Richards."

http://www.contracostatimes.com/politics-government/ci_20143930/assemblyman-drops-campaign-oust-wildlife-official-who-shot

"More than 60 people turned out Wednesday at the California Fish and Game Commission meeting to speak in support of Dan Richards, whom state lawmakers could remove from the powerful body for shooting a mountain lion in a case that has drawn national attention."

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_20134519/wildlife-official-caught-mountain-lion-controversy-may-be?source=rss