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SVT-40
02-27-2012, 9:33 PM
I picked up this beauty last week while in Arizona. Now before anyone gets all upset, yes in it's pictured configuration it's not California legal. So before I bring it here I'll swap the stock it came with with a typical SAIGA sporter stock.

Both the sales guy and I were surprised when we took it out of it's box to confirm the serial number and saw the stock, as the display model had the typical sporter butt stock. Another big plus was it has the square cut front trunnion so installing a bullet guide will be a snap if I decide to do that. The display gun had the round bottom trunnion.

After examining many SAIGA rifles I really think they just use whatever parts are on hand that day to put them together as there are distinct differences between rifles which should all be identical.

These heavy barrel 20.5" rifles are 2011 dated and do not have the ugly cross hatch markings obliterating the old importers name found on many recently imported SAIGA's.

I'm going to have to hunt down a Soviet POSP scope with the AK mount to fit this rifle. It kind of resembles a Dragunov sniper rifle so "SAIGAUNOV" seems like a proper name.

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tuna quesadilla
02-27-2012, 9:50 PM
Neat. Where'd you pick it up from?

SVT-40
02-27-2012, 11:52 PM
J&G sales

EvoXRiley
02-28-2012, 7:01 AM
5.45 is a great round, congrats

NorCalK9.com
02-28-2012, 8:32 AM
Awesome! If you decide you dont like it
I'll take it!
545 kicks @$$!!!!
Now go buy about 6 tins of surplus and have at it.

SVT-40
02-28-2012, 9:18 AM
Awesome! If you decide you dont like it
I'll take it!
545 kicks @$$!!!!
Now go buy about 6 tins of surplus and have at it.


These rifles are a steal at $349.00.
I bought 12,000 rounds from Century a year or so ago when it was $109.00 per tin with free shipping so I'm good on ammo for awhile. But if ammo prices dip. I'll buy some more. You can never have enough ammo!!!

And yes 5.45 does kick tail.

MrExel17
02-28-2012, 9:47 AM
Man thats kool, congrats!

bohoki
02-28-2012, 11:52 AM
man i want that stock on a saiga 12

peterhodges
02-28-2012, 12:30 PM
man i want that stock on a saiga 12

Well they're $80 at centerfire...

SJgunguy24
02-28-2012, 1:34 PM
That would be intresting if you came up with a gas bypass set up like the yugos have to really see what the 5.45 round could do. With a 20" heavy barrel i'd say AR performance could be had if you killed the gas system.

ElvenSoul
02-28-2012, 1:55 PM
Intresting Find!

Richard Erichsen
02-28-2012, 2:50 PM
That would be intresting if you came up with a gas bypass set up like the yugos have to really see what the 5.45 round could do. With a 20" heavy barrel i'd say AR performance could be had if you killed the gas system.

Why exactly would you need to disable the gas system to improve performance? I don't really follow. The only reason that I'm aware of that the Zastava M70 series have gas cutoffs integrated with the grenade sight is to satisfy the fetish the Serbs had for using large quantities of rifle grenades during combat.

Tuning the gas system using steel Mikuni carb jets is something we've discussed in other threads. If there was a need to shut the gas system off, the gas block would need to be drilled with a rotary valve and a lever welded on to allow rotating from an "open" (or as tuned by a screw in carb jet beneath it) and an "off" position.

A 20" barrel may net another 100 FPS or so in velocity, although whether the barrel is materially "better" in terms of accuracy as a result of the additional rigidity alone is hard to speculate on. A range report is in order. ;)

R

SVT-40
02-28-2012, 4:37 PM
"Killing" the gas system would allow the rifle to function without the mass of the bolt carrier and bolt being thrown to the rear causing additional flexing of the receiver and barrel.

In theory this would aid accuracy.

SVT-40
02-28-2012, 4:42 PM
That would be intresting if you came up with a gas bypass set up like the yugos have to really see what the 5.45 round could do. With a 20" heavy barrel i'd say AR performance could be had if you killed the gas system.

It would be a little difficult as the rifle has the 90 degree gas block. Now if it had a 45 degree block it would be a simple matter. The gas block is pinned on though which is a departure form standard SAIGA rifles with the punch press barrel attachments. So I guess one could simply remove the pins and set the gas block back about 5MM which would effectively block the gas port.

Not real enticing though.

bohoki
02-28-2012, 11:11 PM
Well they're $80 at centerfire...

80 dollas damn thats a lot of money
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FiveSeven
02-29-2012, 12:25 AM
"Killing" the gas system would allow the rifle to function without the mass of the bolt carrier and bolt being thrown to the rear causing additional flexing of the receiver and barrel.

In theory this would aid accuracy.

Not really. In full auto it does affect accuracy but in a single shot (semi- auto) it would not.
Bolt hitting receiver happens when the bullet is already out of the barrel therefore it does not affect accuracy.

ZX-10R
02-29-2012, 6:04 AM
I would rock that rifle. Jeez...I swear if we open up an office in AZ I am going broke.