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Jason P
02-26-2012, 3:35 PM
Is this MAK90 legal for my friend who's moving to California? Only evil feature is thumbhole stock, but it does say SPORTER (looks hand-engraved though)...

CitaDeL
02-26-2012, 3:52 PM
Not legal. MAK90 is a listed rifle and adding 'SPORTER' on the reciever isnt going to change the nomenclature to make the rifle legal.

Dreaded Claymore
02-26-2012, 3:56 PM
The flowchart is your friend.

Kharn
02-27-2012, 3:42 AM
From what I remember, some Mak90s have Sporter hand-engraved, others are stamped, but they are legally (as far as the Feds are concerned) not a "Mak-90".
A shipment of Mak-90s was pending customs clearance when the '89 AWB was signed by President Bush, those rifles were allowed to be engraved and imported as "Mak-90 Sporter" once the bayonet lug was ground off, the muzzle nut tack-welded in place and a thumbhole stock added. The later rifles came from the factory with Sporter already stamped.

GettoPhilosopher
02-27-2012, 9:01 AM
*points to the flowchart*

tileguy
02-27-2012, 11:30 AM
i would think its legal because the norinco mak90 on list, norinco 91 sport on list,mak90 sporter not on list. not on list = legal

thedrickel
02-27-2012, 12:24 PM
Why risk it for a cheap gun?

stix213
02-27-2012, 12:25 PM
i would think its legal because the norinco mak90 on list, norinco 91 sport on list,mak90 sporter not on list. not on list = legal

That would be taking a very serious risk for only trivial gain.

"Norinco: MAK 90" is a listed AW, the firearm in question is a "Norinco: MAK 90" with "Sporter" apparently hand engraved after it. It would not be out of the question for a LEO to arrest for this and let the courts decide.

safaridave
02-27-2012, 12:50 PM
Go ahead and risk it. Just make sure of 2 things-

1) You have 25-50K in disposable income to fight your felony charges.
2) You are not very attached to your RKBA once they convict you.

Baconator
02-27-2012, 1:00 PM
Why risk it for a cheap gun?

This! There are other ways to go about this and not run the risk.

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zhyla
02-27-2012, 2:03 PM
Cheap? Those aren't cheap anymore.

Unfortunately that looks like a no-go. Trade it for a Saiga or whatever.

soopafly
02-27-2012, 5:28 PM
Is it made by Norinco?
Does it say "MAK 90" on the receiver?

It does not matter what is written after "MAK 90."
The fact is "Norinco MAK 90" is banned by name:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

NapaCountyShooter
02-27-2012, 5:31 PM
Cut the receiver and make it a parts kit, then build it up into a CA usable rifle.

Kharn
02-27-2012, 6:39 PM
Is it made by Norinco?
Does it say "MAK 90" on the receiver?

It does not matter what is written after "MAK 90."
The fact is "Norinco MAK 90" is banned by name:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

Mak-90 and Mak-90 Sporter are two different rifles. The question is this rifle's provenance, and if the hand engraving is legitimate or not. The serial number range should be available with some serious searching.

Librarian
02-27-2012, 6:57 PM
Mak-90 and Mak-90 Sporter are two different rifles. The question is this rifle's provenance, and if the hand engraving is legitimate or not. The serial number range should be available with some serious searching.

What appears to be original marking on a Sporter is this: http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/6532060344/9218724/mak%2090%20005.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg
Looks rather different, to me, from the marking in the pic attached to the OP.

I don't own either model, but I wonder: does the 'Sporter' model consistently have the 'CAL 7.62X39MM?

I see on a couple pics of weapons marked only 'MAK-90' and their marks show 'CAL 7.62X39' - no 'MM'.

Pic in the OP does not have the 'MM'.

Jason P
02-27-2012, 9:54 PM
Go ahead and risk it. Just make sure of 2 things-

1) You have 25-50K in disposable income to fight your felony charges.
2) You are not very attached to your RKBA once they convict you.

Not mine...

Kharn
02-28-2012, 3:03 AM
What appears to be original marking on a Sporter is this: http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/6532060344/9218724/mak%2090%20005.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg
Looks rather different, to me, from the marking in the pic attached to the OP.

I don't own either model, but I wonder: does the 'Sporter' model consistently have the 'CAL 7.62X39MM?

I see on a couple pics of weapons marked only 'MAK-90' and their marks show 'CAL 7.62X39' - no 'MM'.

Pic in the OP does not have the 'MM'.
That appears to be one of the factory stamped rifles, not from the hand engraved batch.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 9:55 AM
so is the consensus here, that the factory stamped mak90 sporter is not on the list

thedrickel
02-28-2012, 10:12 AM
so is the consensus here, that the factory stamped mak90 sporter is not on the list

You'd have to be f'in nuts to believe that interpretation, IMO.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 10:17 AM
how do you figure, old DPMS ARs without panther are off list. all DPMS with panther on list.

safaridave
02-28-2012, 10:22 AM
The smart money consensus is that it is too big a risk. Splitting hairs about names like whether or not the model MAK-90 "sporter" is listed or not is certainly defendable, but if the guys friend gets "e-checked" or searched while in possession of it he is going to jail. Cop will focus on "MAK-90" and nothing else. Goodbye 401K money/savings... its now going to his defense.

I think the guys friend should just do what was suggested earlier and cut the receiver and rebuild it up with a flat or non-listed receiver before entering the state.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 10:25 AM
colt LE6920 on list illegal in ca. colt SP6920 same rifle different roll-mark legal in ca. whats the difference.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 10:27 AM
would you guys cut up a new colt complete sp6920 lower and put the parts in a spikes lower, no because the colt sp6920 is not on the list

safaridave
02-28-2012, 10:41 AM
If the names were as such mentioned above? Yep.

How much is a lower receiver + paying someone else to install it? $500? okay Ill get ripped off and say $600.

You think if this guys friend was sitting in jail facing felony charges + losing his savings, possibly mortgaging his house to pay for his defense, would he pay $600 to make it all go away, like it never happened? You bet.

I hear you about the nameplay... yes its possible that he could defend it, but I'm not going to advise ANYONE to take that much of a risk just because I want to prove a point.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 11:20 AM
what do you think about the colt sp6920 that they are selling new in ca. compared to the le6920 that is not legal in ca. are people taking a chance owning that or is that different because its not as evil as a AK or is it because our law enforcement are a bunch of no nothing jack holes

safaridave
02-28-2012, 11:49 AM
what do you think about the colt sp6920 that they are selling new in ca. compared to the le6920 that is not legal in ca. are people taking a chance owning that or is that different because its not as evil as a AK or is it because our law enforcement are a bunch of no nothing jack holes

You take a "chance" owning even the most legal rifles in this state. Police are not always trained to determine a legal weapon, let alone the legally vague. All I say is this- don't ride the razors edge of legality or advise anyone else to do so just because you want to make a point that the laws are stupid.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 12:03 PM
yes i see your point, that chance can only be made by each individual

bohoki
02-28-2012, 12:42 PM
my mak90 sporter is registered there are better options than to risk this

frankm
02-28-2012, 1:03 PM
Tell him to sell it, and buy two Saiga's and bring those.

stix213
02-28-2012, 1:36 PM
what do you think about the colt sp6920 that they are selling new in ca. compared to the le6920 that is not legal in ca. are people taking a chance owning that or is that different because its not as evil as a AK or is it because our law enforcement are a bunch of no nothing jack holes

The markings on the SP6920 are nowhere near as close to the line as this MAK 90

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=122197&d=1321055467

SVT-40
02-28-2012, 9:38 PM
what do you think about the colt sp6920 that they are selling new in ca. compared to the le6920 that is not legal in ca. are people taking a chance owning that or is that different because its not as evil as a AK or is it because our law enforcement are a bunch of no nothing jack holes

The "new" SP6920's or the LE6920's do not say "AR-15 " anywhere on them. In fact both are marked "M-4 CARBINE" so both would be California legal if equipped with "bullet buttons". So they are easy to differentiate from a Colt "AR-15" or "COLT SPORTER". Besides neither of the two Colt rifles you mentioned actually have their colt model numbers stamped anywhere on them.

In fact only two models of Colt "AR-15" type rifles which Colt now makes are actually are marked "AR-15" one is the AR-15 9mm Carbine and the other is the AR-15A3 "Tactical Carbine".

The rifle in question in this post is truly a MAK-90. So there is a big difference.

So before you go insulting all law enforcement you might do a bit of studying so you don't sound like a ignorant know nothing "jack hole" yourself.

tileguy
02-28-2012, 11:35 PM
i dont know what you are talking about, colt ar-15 are not on the list iam talking about the flow chart list colt le 6920 specifically on the list the new colt is called sp 6920 and the SP is on the lower receiver. the norinco mac90 is specifically on the list but the factory stamped mac90 sporter is not, the scribed sporter in the original OP is unknown, so not all LEOs are ignorant of the laws just some and you could be one,only you can make that decision.