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el chivo
02-25-2012, 2:21 AM
I may not be driving for a while due to car trouble but I still want to make my weekly trip to the range. I'm pretty sure I'd be in the clear but want to put it up for comments.

I'd be taking a rifle in a locked case, slung over my shoulder, unloaded. My .22 is a takedown and could be dismantled if necessary.

I may also purchase a handgun and would like to transport it on a bike. One thing that occurs to me is it might be a problem for me to carry it slung over my shoulder in a locked case, because I'd have it on my person. I could attach the locked case to the rear of the bike instead.

Anybody else do this? Anybody walk to the range from, say, half a mile away?

Librarian
02-25-2012, 10:40 AM
Unloaded locked case, for either handgun or long gun, or both, is fine - no matter where you have the locked case(s).

Bicycle isn't a 'motor vehicle', so you're subject to the list of destination requirements - one of which is where you want to go, PC 25540. Section 25400 does not apply to, or affect, the
transportation of a firearm by a person when going directly to, or
coming directly from, a target range, which holds a regulatory or
business license, for the purposes of practicing shooting at targets
with that firearm at that target range.

Otherwise, you have the 25610 motor-vehicle exception to 25400, carrying a handgun concealed.

HBrebel
02-25-2012, 11:09 AM
locked case in a backpack. If taking a rifle I would use some sort of sports or musicians case. Gotta watch out for bad guys that may see where you live and store your weapons. Thats how bad guys get guns unless they can get the cool **** from Holder and his gang.

mag360
02-25-2012, 1:28 PM
locked case in a backpack. If taking a rifle I would use some sort of sports or musicians case. Gotta watch out for bad guys that may see where you live and store your weapons. Thats how bad guys get guns unless they can get the cool **** from Holder and his gang.

very true. actually a friend of mine who grew up in a real bad neighborhood told me that the local hoodlums would look for people with hunting stickers on their cars parked outside, and break in to the house to get guns.

example, when I go to the range I usually put my ammo cans inside those canvas shopping bags.

Cactus_Tim
02-26-2012, 7:47 PM
I have panniers on my bike.
They hold 2 handgun cases + range gear.
You're still able to wear a pack or sling a rifle case on your back.

Something like this, perhaps. (http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?IGPK=2126182589)
Do a search, there's lots to choose from.

YubaRiver
02-26-2012, 9:06 PM
Section 25400 does not apply to, or affect, the
transportation of a firearm by a person when going directly to, or
coming directly from, a target range, which holds a regulatory or
business license, for the purposes of practicing shooting at targets
with that firearm at that target range.

Could this be a forest service range, of which you need to check out
keys to get through a gate?

el chivo
02-26-2012, 9:38 PM
Section 25400 does not apply to, or affect, the
transportation of a firearm by a person when going directly to, or
coming directly from, a target range, which holds a regulatory or
business license, for the purposes of practicing shooting at targets
with that firearm at that target range.

Could this be a forest service range, of which you need to check out
keys to get through a gate?


thanks, no, not in this case. It is a business with a business license.

It seems to me that 25400 doesn't apply to long guns at all. However I would be passing through at least one school zone, so I'd need a rifle to be cased and locked for that.

I ran across something interesting; there were some good suggestions to use a guitar case or backpack to disguise the contents. However, in reading about an upcoming bill to ban open carry of long guns, they would require long guns to be cased and the case has to be made for a firearm, i.e., no violin cases or guitar cases or duffel bags. Now that would be a pain, since gun cases I've seen don't seem to have decent shoulder straps. My usual target gun is a .22 takedown, which could fit neatly into a small and handy case of some sort, except that it would have to be adapted from another use.

HBrebel
02-27-2012, 9:07 AM
It just has to be able to be locked with a key, code or whatever. They cannot take the law that far where you must buy one of their approved gun cases. think 'shall not be infringed'
We need to seriously fight these A-holes at every turn. Remember, gun owners are the ones who fought for these rights in the first place. Don't get sucked into the illusion that you are just some subject to be pushed around and molested.

paul0660
02-27-2012, 9:10 AM
There aren't any "approved" gun cases. They merely have to be "secure".

el chivo
02-27-2012, 12:02 PM
I was referring to the text of an upcoming bill, which hasn't been passed and may not get there. Just something to think about.


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_1501-1550/ab_1527_bill_20120123_introduced.html


16505. For purposes of Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 26400)
of Division 5 of Title 4, a firearm is "encased" when that firearm is
enclosed in a case that is expressly made for the purpose of
containing a firearm and that is completely zipped, snapped, buckled,
tied, or otherwise fastened with no part of that firearm exposed.

rb765
02-27-2012, 2:21 PM
Sounds to me like one of those silicon empregnated bags fits that bill, then stick the bag in any case you want.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Gun-Storage/Sleeves-Camo%7C/pc/104792580/c/104730480/sc/104576580/Bore-Stores174-Silicone-Impregnated-Gun-Case/706663.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshoot ing-gun-storage-sleeves-camo%2F_%2FN-1100214&WTz_l=SEO%3Bcat104576580

It already has a closure on it, and no part of the gun sticks out.

D Harry
02-27-2012, 2:56 PM
My ride

Cactus_Tim
02-27-2012, 6:03 PM
My rifle case has backpack straps and holds two guns.
Also has spaces for two pistols, though I haven't used that until I make the zippers lock better.
I think it works great.

VooDoo Tactical Padded Double Gun Case - 42 Inch (http://www.tippmannparts.com/VooDoo-Padded-Double-Gun-Case-42-Inhces-Coyote-p/6916.htm)
or
VooDoo Tactical Padded Double Gun Case - 36 Inch (http://www.tippmannparts.com/VooDoo-Tactical-Padded-Double-Gun-Case-Coyote-p/2332.htm)

I bought split rings from the fishing store to make the zippers more lockable.
Some people just lock through the pull strings.

Better pictures here on the Voodoo Tactical website (http://www.voodootactical.net/p-199-enhanced-voodoo-tactical-36-inch-molle-soft-rifle-carrying-case-padded.aspx)

el chivo
02-28-2012, 2:07 AM
Sounds to me like one of those silicon empregnated bags fits that bill, then stick the bag in any case you want.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Gun-Storage/Sleeves-Camo%7C/pc/104792580/c/104730480/sc/104576580/Bore-Stores174-Silicone-Impregnated-Gun-Case/706663.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshoot ing-gun-storage-sleeves-camo%2F_%2FN-1100214&WTz_l=SEO%3Bcat104576580

It already has a closure on it, and no part of the gun sticks out.

That's true; I have a nice big soft guitar case with straps, and one or two locked rifle cases could fit inside it. Doesn't say anything about putting properly encased rifles into another case.

Anyway this hasn't passed yet.

Cactus_Tim
02-28-2012, 12:43 PM
Ok, I just added some #10 split rings to my Voodoo Tactical double rifle case. It locks quite securely now.
Used a small pair of dikes and needle nose pliers to install.
Trying to add pics but my cellphone won't upload them. Maybe later.

Librarian
02-28-2012, 12:53 PM
Ok, I just added some #10 split rings to my Voodoo Tactical double rifle case. It locks quite securely now.
Used a small pair of dikes and needle nose pliers to install.
Trying to add pics but my cellphone won't upload them. Maybe later.

I'll be interested to see that.

Since the whole point of a split-ring is that it's possible to put keys on it or take them off without breaking or cutting the ring, I don't see the utility of split rings in a locking situation, since they can be removed without breaking or cutting.

Cactus_Tim
02-28-2012, 1:06 PM
It's far easier to cut the bag open with a knife than it would be to force the split ring off the zipper.
You really can't work these split rings without tools.
I had to use dikes and pliers to open them up to install them.
You get them in the fishing dept. for attaching lures.

http://users.sdsc.edu/~tmcnew/gallery/case1.jpg

A lock for the rifle compartment and a lock for the pistol compartment.
That should satisfy the requirements. Wouldn't it?

http://users.sdsc.edu/~tmcnew/gallery/case2.jpg

Backpack straps for carrying.

http://users.sdsc.edu/~tmcnew/gallery/case3.jpg

Yes, I like riding my bike. Never thought about this before, but it seems like it might work.

HBrebel
02-28-2012, 1:36 PM
My ride

I like it:43:

Librarian
02-28-2012, 1:59 PM
There's no legal definition of 'secure'.

That said, this is not an approach I would use myself.

gl0ckc0ma
02-28-2012, 2:05 PM
You could get those packs that baseball players use to carry their bats, that should fit a rifle

Tyson
02-28-2012, 7:29 PM
"Ever take your bike off of any sweet jumps?"


Sorry if you don't get that..... :hide:

Tyson
02-28-2012, 7:30 PM
"Ever take your bike off of any sweet jumps?"


Sorry if you don't get that..... :hide: