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GettoPhilosopher
02-24-2012, 2:33 PM
This came up in a discussion with my wife. In the aftermath of a DGU (whether on the street while CCing or LUCCing, or in the home), do you call the police first or your lawyer/CGF?

This assumes the DGU is sudden enough you can't call the police before.

Mesa Tactical
02-24-2012, 2:37 PM
"DGU" does not appear in this thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=78606). Please edit your post!

ke6guj
02-24-2012, 2:39 PM
DGU probably means Defensive Gun Use in this case.

Mesa Tactical
02-24-2012, 2:40 PM
Well, it seems like a UCA to me.

OleCuss
02-24-2012, 2:42 PM
Call 911 first. First calling your lawyer is too likely to work out poorly.

Connor P Price
02-24-2012, 2:50 PM
"DGU" does not appear in this thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=78606). Please edit your post!

What he said.

I'd call the police first, make sure everything is safe etc. Just don't go talking to the police before talking to your lawyer, that's what matters.

Librarian
02-24-2012, 2:53 PM
I'd suggest 911 first as well, but if you have an uninjured companion, he/she should call the lawyer at the same time.

stix213
02-24-2012, 2:57 PM
IANAL, but if you were to call someone other than 911 first, while your attacker is bleeding to death in front of you, and he eventually dies, I'd expect a serious lawsuit claiming that their scumbag loved one would have lived if you had called 911 instead of your lawyer.

You are probably going to get sued anyway, but still don't give them more ammo against you than they already have.

fiddletown
02-24-2012, 3:13 PM
Call the police (911) first. Doing anything else reflects very poorly on you. A lousy idea at a time at which you want to look as good and responsible as possible.

GettoPhilosopher
02-24-2012, 3:18 PM
I'd suggest 911 first as well, but if you have an uninjured companion, he/she should call the lawyer at the same time.

/Thread.

DGU probably means Defensive Gun Use in this case.

Yes. Sorry, it seemed to be a fairly standard term on the sites I read, my apologies for the confusion.

IANAL, but if you were to call someone other than 911 first, while your attacker is bleeding to death in front of you, and he eventually dies, I'd expect a serious lawsuit claiming that their scumbag loved one would have lived if you had called 911 instead of your lawyer.

You are probably going to get sued anyway, but still don't give them more ammo against you than they already have.

Oh, I get that. This was one of those fairly simple scenarios where I'm asking if all other considerations aside, should you call lawyer or 911 first. Of course I'm not saying let someone bleed out while I chat with my attorney. ;P

Librarian takes the cake as always. Call 911 immediately but have my wife call the attorney at the same time. Thanks guys!

Lone_Gunman
02-24-2012, 7:43 PM
On that note, are the CGF recommended lawyers (Don Kilmer, Chuck Michael, Jason Davis) the ones that we would want to call in a situation like this? Also wasn't there one in the Sacramento area that Gene recommended recently for gun issues?
How would a cold call to one of these lawyers be received? I know most of us don't have a lawyer on retainer son we really don't have a lawyer that is "ours" in this situation.

stitchnicklas
02-24-2012, 8:51 PM
On that note, are the CGF recommended lawyers (Don Kilmer, Chuck Michael, Jason Davis) the ones that we would want to call in a situation like this? Also wasn't there one in the Sacramento area that Gene recommended recently for gun issues?
How would a cold call to one of these lawyers be received? I know most of us don't have a lawyer on retainer son we really don't have a lawyer that is "ours" in this situation.

i have both the cgf # and jason davis # along with his tear away business card in my room/car/gunsafe...

if they question why i cold called them i would say i have had the numbers in my contacts for over a year.i also have certain cgf members and lawyers on my facebook.

805shooter
02-24-2012, 8:56 PM
This exact issue was recently brought up in the Practical Defense podcast interview with the Director of the Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Marty Hays (Episode 201).

http://www.alexhaddox.com/practicaldefense.html


I'm glad that GettoP brought this subject up as it's really important to anyone who owns a firearm for self-defense, and yet it is rarely talked about.

BigFatGuy
02-24-2012, 9:38 PM
I cold-called jason Davis recently with a non-emergency question. He answered his own phone, spoke to me on the matter, was very friendly and knowledgeable. I'm sure he'd respond professionally to an emergency cold call as well.

NotEnufGarage
02-24-2012, 10:43 PM
This came up in a discussion with my wife. In the aftermath of a DGU (whether on the street while CCing or LUCCing, or in the home), do you call the police first or your lawyer/CGF?

This assumes the DGU is sudden enough you can't call the police before.

I wish everyone on this site would stop making up acronyms...

Are you really that lazy that you can't type out three whole words?

greasemonkey
02-24-2012, 10:47 PM
Just a note, chuck does post on here but he's not a CGF attorney. CGF Hotline would be the one to call AFTER 911, they'll assess the situation and put you in contact with who you need to talk to.
CGF Hotline: (800) 556-2109

CGF & Jason Davis are both readily accessible in my phone, Jason's card is in my wallet & all gun cases, as well as the CGF gun case tag/safe label. It's overkill but I like having options. CGF should be the first call AFTER 911, though.

On that note, are the CGF recommended lawyers (Don Kilmer, Jason Davis) the ones that we would want to call in a situation like this? Also wasn't there one in the Sacramento area that Gene recommended recently for gun issues?
How would a cold call to one of these lawyers be received? I know most of us don't have a lawyer on retainer son we really don't have a lawyer that is "ours" in this situation.

Tear Away Cards:
http://www.calgunlawyers.com/Davis_%26_Associates/The_Ring_of_Fire/Entries/2010/6/2_New_Tear_Away_cards.html
http://www.calgunlawyers.com/Davis_%26_Associates/The_Ring_of_Fire/Entries/2010/6/2_New_Tear_Away_cards_files/shapeimage_1.png (http://www.calgunlawyers.com/Davis_%26_Associates/The_Ring_of_Fire/Entries/2010/6/2_New_Tear_Away_cards.html)

http://store.calgunsfoundation.org/CGF-Gun-Safe-Notice-to-Law-Enforcement-DECAL-p/decal-002.htm
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/vabsf.gecsk/v/vspfiles/photos/Decal-002-2.jpg?1321411457 (http://store.calgunsfoundation.org/CGF-Gun-Safe-Notice-to-Law-Enforcement-DECAL-p/decal-002.htm)

http://store.calgunsfoundation.org/product-p/tag-001.htm
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/vabsf.gecsk/v/vspfiles/photos/tag-001-2.jpg (http://store.calgunsfoundation.org/product-p/tag-001.htm)

freonr22
02-24-2012, 10:57 PM
Every time I go to call my ex wife Gina, Gene's number comes up from face book. Weird..

cdtx2001
02-24-2012, 11:17 PM
Call the police (911) first. Doing anything else reflects very poorly on you. A lousy idea at a time at which you want to look as good and responsible as possible.

Didn't work out for Michael Jackson's doctor either.

Librarian
02-24-2012, 11:26 PM
I wish everyone on this site would stop making up acronyms...

Are you really that lazy that you can't type out three whole words?

DGU - Defensive Gun Use - has been part of the criminology literature since at least 1993, with Kleck and Gertz (http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/kleckandgertz1.htm) and probably earlier, but a quick look doesn't bring up older papers that are on line.

stitchnicklas
02-24-2012, 11:31 PM
all i know is,if i ever randomly met jason davis or the others i would definitely buy them a drink or lunch...

true men that stand with us and for us when our personal lives have that shtf moment