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Cpl_Peters
04-03-2007, 7:19 AM
I saw this article in my Blackwater Tactical Weekly this morning, thought I would post it here.

Evil Americans, Poor Mullahs
By Claus Christian Malzahn

Forty-eight percent of Germans think the United States is more dangerous than Iran, a new survey shows, with only 31 percent believing the opposite. Germans' fundamental hypocrisy about the US suggests that it's high time for a new bout of re-education.

The Germans have believed in many things in the course of their recent history. They've believed in colonies in Africa and in the Kaiser. They even believed in the Kaiser when he told them that there would be no more political parties, only soldiers on the front.

Not too long afterwards, they believed that Jews should be placed into ghettos and concentration camps because they were the enemies of the people. Then they believed in the autobahn and that the Third Reich would ultimately be victorious. A few years later, they believed in the Deutsche mark. They believed that the Berlin Wall would be there forever and that their pensions were safe. They believed in recycling as well as in cheap jet travel. They even believed in a German victory at the soccer World Cup.

Now they believe that the United States is a greater threat to world peace than Iran. This was the by-no-means-surprising result of a Forsa opinion poll commissioned by Stern magazine. Young Germans in particular -- 57 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds, to be precise -- said they considered the United States more dangerous than the religious regime in Iran.

The German political establishment, which will no doubt loudly lament the result of the poll, is largely responsible for this wave of anti-Americanism. For years the country's foreign ministers fed the Germans the fairy tale of what they called a "critical dialogue" between Europe and Iran. It went something like this: If we are nice to the ayatollahs, cuddle up to them a bit and occasionally wag our fingers at them when they've been naughty, they'll stop condemning their women to death for "unchaste behavior" and they'll stop building the atom bomb.

That plan failed at some point -- an outcome, incidentally, that Washington had long anticipated. Iran continues to work away unhindered on its nuclear program, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reacts to UN demands with an ostentatious show of ignorance. The UN gets upset and drafts a resolution.

Another item on the Iranian president's wish list is the annihilation of Israel. But that will take a bit longer. In the meantime, just to make sure it doesn't get out of practice, the regime had 15 British soldiers kidnapped a few days ago. But it's still all the Americans' fault -- that much is obvious.

Inherently evil

We've known just what they're like for a long time. The 19th-century German author Karl May taught us about the American Wild West, and Karl Marx warned us about unbridled capitalism. Besides, we've all been there at least once -- on vacation, of course. Be it in California or Florida (that's where you get the best deals on rental cars, you know), we can see right through the Americans.

For us Germans, the Americans are either too fat or too obsessed with exercise, too prudish or too pornographic, too religious or too nihilistic. In terms of history and foreign policy, the Americans have either been too isolationist or too imperialistic. They simply go ahead and invade foreign countries (something we Germans, of course, would never do) and then abandon them, the way they did in Vietnam and will soon do in Iraq.

Worst of all, the Americans won the war in 1945. (Well, with German help, of course -- from Einstein and his ilk.) There are some Germans who will never forgive the Americans for VE Day, when they defeated Hitler. After all, Nazism was just an accident, whereas Americans are inherently evil. Just look at President Bush, the man who, as some of SPIEGEL ONLINE's readers steadfastly believe, "is worse than Hitler." Now that gives us a chance to kill two birds with one stone. If Bush is the new Hitler, then we Germans have finally unloaded the Führer on to someone else. In fact, we won't even have to posthumously revoke his German citizenship, as politicians in Lower Saxony recently proposed. No one can hold a candle to our talent for symbolism!

Anti-Americanism is the wonder drug of German politics. If no one believes what you're saying, take a swing at the Yanks and you'll be shooting your way back up to the top of the opinion polls in no time. And on the practical side, you can be the head of the Social Democratic Party and endear yourself to the party's hardcore with a load of anti-American nonsense, and still get invited back to Washington -- just look at Gerhard Schröder. In fact, you could, like leading German politicians in the debate over the planned American missile shield in Europe, be accused of having "an almost unbelievable lack of knowledge" by a former NATO general, and even that wouldn't matter. It's all about what you believe, not what you know.

Anti-Americanism is hypocrisy at its finest. You can spend your evening catching the latest episode of "24" and then complain about Guantanamo the next morning. You can claim that the Americans have themselves to blame for terrorism, while at the same time calling for tougher restrictions on Muslim immigration to Germany. You can call the American president a mass murderer and book a flight to New York the next day. You can lament the average American's supposed lack of culture and savvy and meanwhile send off for the documents for the Green Card lottery.

Not a day passes in Germany when someone isn't making the wildest claims, hurling the vilest insults or spreading the most outlandish conspiracy theories about the United States. But there's no risk involved and it all serves mainly to boost the German feeling of self-righteousness.

Not so safe

Iran is a different story. The last time someone made a joke on German TV about an Iranian leader, the outcome was not pleasant. Exactly 20 years ago, Dutch entertainer Rudi Carell produced a short TV sketch portraying Ayatollah Khomeini dressed in women's underwear. Carell received death threats. The piece, which lasted all of a few seconds, led to flights being cancelled and German diplomats being expelled from Tehran. Carell apologized. Jokes about fat Americans are just safer.

Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, the American historian who in his 1996 book "Hitler's Willing Executioners" deprived the Germans of the belief that they didn't know what was going on back in the day, is currently studying the history of genocides in the 20th century. One of the things he has noticed is that the politicians or military leaders who planned genocides and had them carried out rarely concealed their intentions in advance. Whether the victims were Hereros, Armenians, kulaks, Jews or later Bosnians, the perpetrators generally believed that they were justified and had no reason to hide their murderous intentions.

Today, when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talks about a world without Israel while dreaming of an atom bomb, it seems obvious that we -- as Germans of all people -- should be putting two and two together. Why shouldn't Ahmadinejad mean what he says? But we Germans only know what we believe.

The Americans are more dangerous than the ayatollahs? Perhaps the Americans should take the Germans at their word for a change. It's high time for a new round of re-education. The last one obviously didn't do the job.

Claus Christian Malzahn is SPIEGEL ONLINE's Berlin bureau chief.

aileron
04-03-2007, 11:18 AM
Wow.

Just wow. Wonder if that will have any impact, or just piss off the German populace more and the writer being cast out.

brando
04-03-2007, 11:43 AM
**** Blackwater...okay, with that out of the way...

Yeah, unfortunately we're not winning the IO game by any stretch of the imagination. We've been taking **** for granted too long and assuming too much and it's resulted in us turning off the majority of folks out there instead of bringing them into the circle. Then again, that's a symptom of unilateralism I believe.

Grakken
04-03-2007, 12:28 PM
Simple, We are human beings and prone to repeat the same mistakes of the past. Maybe Germany and the rest of the bent wrist world will finally wake up when suit case nukes go off in synch around the world. nah, who am I kidding, we will still get blamed.

Cpl_Peters
04-03-2007, 1:17 PM
Whats wrong with blackwater brando? And any way its not an Article by them. The weekly is just a hodgepot of articles regarding world politics and innovations from various sources all over the world in the interest of the American fighting man. That article was actually written by a German for a German publication.

SunshineGlocker
04-03-2007, 1:47 PM
Well, looking at the facts, I think the Germans are right. Iran isn't going around invading and bombing other countries. Iran may be trying to develop nuclear weapons; the US already has thousands of them, and is the only country in the world to ever have used them in anger.

DIG
04-03-2007, 1:49 PM
are you sure that story wasn't taken from one of those magazines located at the check-out counter in the grocery store? :rolleyes:

plain cr@p. someone's just looking to stir up some sh#t. period.

Ubergeek
04-03-2007, 1:56 PM
Well, looking at the facts, I think the Germans are right. Iran isn't going around invading and bombing other countries. Iran may be trying to develop nuclear weapons; the US already has thousands of them, and is the only country in the world to ever have used them in anger.

A country with thousands of nuclear weapons and good intentions is far less a menace than one with a few and the worst intentions.

Would you trust the Iranians with the nuclear weapon? I'd just as soon hand my EBRs over to the kid down the street with the nice tattoo on his neck.

slick_711
04-03-2007, 2:01 PM
Well, looking at the facts, I think the Germans are right. Iran isn't going around invading and bombing other countries. Iran may be trying to develop nuclear weapons; the US already has thousands of them, and is the only country in the world to ever have used them in anger.

<<bad brooklyn accent>> oh NO YOU DI'n'NT!


so let's recap. so far we've got four sides to this debate:
1) re-brainwash germany and **** iran
2) **** blackwater
3) there are snukes everywhere
4) **** america we are warmongering atom bomb droppers

I think we've started off on the wrong foot here guys.

TKo_Productions
04-03-2007, 2:13 PM
Well, looking at the facts, I think the Germans are right. Iran isn't going around invading and bombing other countries.

Nope, they just supply insurgents in Iraq with IEDs, EFPs, mortars, arms, and ammunition. Many dead Americans and soldiers owe their lives and missing limbs to the Iranians. They also like to hold peaceful conferences and tribunals denying the holocaust and openly discussing "wiping Israel off the map."

Iran may be trying to develop nuclear weapons; the US already has thousands of them, and is the only country in the world to ever have used them in anger.

The US also doesn't support terrorism and we don't repeatedly talk about committing genocide. We used a nuclear weapon in defense of our sovereignty which was under attack at the time. Your life would surely be different today had we not. We also haven't used one in over 60 years. Do you think Iran (or the proxy army they're likely to supply that weapon to) would show that kind of restraint?

Delta V
04-04-2007, 6:10 AM
Well, looking at the facts, I think the Germans are right. Iran isn't going around invading and bombing other countries.

Iraq currently not withstanding, of course.

Iran may be trying to develop nuclear weapons; the US already has thousands of them, and is the only country in the world to ever have used them in anger.

When you come to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

luvtolean
04-04-2007, 6:19 AM
The US also doesn't support terrorism

I agree with everything you say but this.

We most certainly do support terrorism. And it has cost us dearly, in the eyes of other countries around the world. The CIA is more responsible for the loss of trust in the US than any other organization.

The CIA is a fundamentally terrorist organization. It's goal in many of their ops has been to turn the population of a country against it's leadership.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

CalNRA
04-04-2007, 9:25 AM
Well, looking at the facts, I think the Germans are right. Iran isn't going around invading and bombing other countries. Iran may be trying to develop nuclear weapons; the US already has thousands of them, and is the only country in the world to ever have used them in anger.

In anger? do you realize how many Japanese civilians would have been killed and/or committed mass suicide if the emperor kept on the war path upon a land assault?

:rolleyes:

SunshineGlocker
04-04-2007, 10:49 AM
We most certainly do support terrorism.

We support terrorism far and wide. Whether it's providing financial backing for the Taliban (continuing until mid-2001): http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/taliban.htm or backing Colombian anti-FARC death squads (continuing up to today) the US is a major supporter of terrorist groups around the world. That's not even including direct aid we give to some of the worst governments in the world, including such nice people as Kim Jong Il of North Korea.

Yes the Iranians did have a long and bloody war with the Iraqis in the 80s, and they do support terrorist and insurgent groups primarily in their local region. We do so much worse things on such a bigger scale.

It is not accurate to describe the Iraqi insurgent groups as "terrorists" when they are operating within Iraq. If the US were taken over by some foreign power (Canada, say), any of us who are patriotic would be going around blowing up things to get the Canadians to leave, right?

luvtolean
04-04-2007, 10:50 AM
We do so much worse things on such a bigger scale.

Worse than who?

Charliegone
04-04-2007, 11:05 AM
We support terrorism far and wide. Whether it's providing financial backing for the Taliban (continuing until mid-2001): http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/taliban.htm or backing Colombian anti-FARC death squads (continuing up to today) the US is a major supporter of terrorist groups around the world. That's not even including direct aid we give to some of the worst governments in the world, including such nice people as Kim Jong Il of North Korea.

Yes the Iranians did have a long and bloody war with the Iraqis in the 80s, and they do support terrorist and insurgent groups primarily in their local region. We do so much worse things on such a bigger scale.

It is not accurate to describe the Iraqi insurgent groups as "terrorists" when they are operating within Iraq. If the US were taken over by some foreign power (Canada, say), any of us who are patriotic would be going around blowing up things to get the Canadians to leave, right?

I think Iraq is just a country with too many different people that just have nothing in common. One tribe blows up the other tribe..than comes the other tribe in revenge kills the other one..both are mad at us because we either support or don't support them...etc...in the end Iraq is looking like a mess.

slick_711
04-04-2007, 11:51 AM
If the US were taken over by some foreign power (Canada, say), any of us who are patriotic would be going around blowing up things to get the Canadians to leave, right?


While I understand your point, I also owe you my gratitude for the best laugh I've had in weeks. I could take over Canada by myself. Maybe I will too, that's a good idea. There any cute women up there?

xrMike
04-04-2007, 12:07 PM
In anger? do you realize how many Japanese civilians would have been killed and/or committed mass suicide if the emperor kept on the war path upon a land assault?

:rolleyes:I don't think anyone at that time cared about the potential loss of Japanese lives... They started that war (for us). They dragged us into it.

All that matters is that tens of thousands of U.S. soldier lives were saved by not having to invade the Japanese mainland. Dropping those 2 bad-boys on Japan was a sound military decision then, just as it would be today.

All the mamsy-pamsy flower girls who bring it up and say we should be ashamed can get bent. (not directing that at the person I'm responding to, btw)

SunshineGlocker
04-04-2007, 12:08 PM
Well I just picked Canada because they're close. We're in a unique situation in that no country in the world could defeat and occupy the US at this time, so Canada is as good as any. And yes there are cute women up there.

Surveyor
04-04-2007, 12:12 PM
Who cares about the loss of Japanese lives at that time? They started that war (for us anyway). They dragged us into it, officially anyway...

All I care about is that tens of thousands of U.S. soldier lives were saved by not having to invade the Japanese mainland. Dropping those 2 bad-boys on Japan was a sound military decision then, and it would be today also.

Screw all the mamsy-pamsy flower girls who bring it up and say that we should be ashamed.


Hell yeah!

I had a 6th grade teacher that read us an anti-atomic bomb book about Hiroshima. He cried in front of the class (Davis :rolleyes: ).

I knew he was full of it, even back then.

grammaton76
04-04-2007, 12:40 PM
While I understand your point, I also owe you my gratitude for the best laugh I've had in weeks. I could take over Canada by myself. Maybe I will too, that's a good idea. There any cute women up there?

Moost of them spend their days chugging beer and look like cattle, eh? Except the Frenchies, they mostly sit around drinking wine, so they're slimmer but drunker. On the other hand, Canadia is overrun by hosers, so you could show up and tell them to take off, eh? Then you'd have a Canadia full of women, all to yourself.

Apologies to any offended Canucks around here... I grew up watching Strange Brew several times a year. :)

slick_711
04-04-2007, 12:52 PM
Hell yeah!

I had a 6th grade teacher that read us an anti-atomic bomb book about Hiroshima. He cried in front of the class (Davis :rolleyes: ).

I knew he was full of it, even back then.

Funny, my experience was quite the opposite. I went to a private high school and was in the JROTC program. When the school's "sister school" from Japan sent students to visit the Colonel played videos of Hiroshima all period. He claimed it just happened to be the curriculum for that week, but the previous day had been spent talking about the development of Air powers in WWI.

Surveyor
04-04-2007, 1:57 PM
Funny, my experience was quite the opposite. I went to a private high school and was in the JROTC program. When the school's "sister school" from Japan sent students to visit the Colonel played videos of Hiroshima all period. He claimed it just happened to be the curriculum for that week, but the previous day had been spent talking about the development of Air powers in WWI.



That wasn't very nice of him. They didn't deserve to have their noses rubbed in it.

Cpl_Peters
04-04-2007, 3:00 PM
If learning history offends them then they should just stick there head in the sand for the rest of their lives. Kudos to the Col. for not changing the lesson plan just because some people may have been offended. We shouldnt be tip toeing around what has happened in the past because its "not PC" I don't get cry that I am offended when I learn about The Japanese internment Camps on the West coast during the war and try to deny they exsisted.

MrTuffPaws
04-04-2007, 3:11 PM
We drop far more bombs and kill far more people than any country in the world. Not to mention that we pay those blackwater ****s to help. Of course we are more dangerous than Iran.

SunshineGlocker
04-04-2007, 3:40 PM
We drop far more bombs and kill far more people than any country in the world. Not to mention that we pay those blackwater ****s to help. Of course we are more dangerous than Iran.

Thank you MrTufPaws. This is simple fact. No one does as much bombing as we do.

grammaton76
04-04-2007, 3:44 PM
(Aanold voice from "True Lies") Yaaaa, but they wur all bad!(/Aanold)

xrMike
04-04-2007, 5:53 PM
Thank you MrTufPaws. This is simple fact. No one does as much bombing as we do.Nobody else can afford to.

Incitatus
04-04-2007, 10:00 PM
Sickening comments...

mcubed4130
04-04-2007, 11:28 PM
Quite an amusing thread. Seems most people don't know much about history of the US before Iraq.

So for those who believe that the USA is worse than Iran. Please feel free to leave and move to Iran, and enjoy their hospitality. :)

Quick history lesson, the CIA under Pres. Carter along with British intelligence - created the revolution in Iran (and other Muslim nations) causing the Shaw of Iran to flee, and put in power the current Muslim extremist groups. WHY? Because the USA / UK felt that creating a "ring" of nationalistic radical Muslim nations on the USSR's border - would create a condition to keep the USSR busy dealing with their southern neighbors. Which is why the USA among others were making friends of these new nationalist radical Muslim nations by arming and training them in guerrilla tactics to fight the USSR.

Was it the best plan? Did it work? Did they think through the implications of what happens AFTER the USSR falls? Who knows. All I knew in 1978 was my parents were complaining about gas prices being through the roof. (yes it was caused by the Revolution in Iran destabilizing the region)

As for the USA:

1. Do we use spys? yes.
2. Do they gather intelligence any way they can? yes.
3. Do we use special ops teams on missions that others would see as terrorism? yes.
4. Do we do all these things for the *intent* to do evil on the world? :) Well hopefully those people took my advise and moved to the less evil country of Iran. Hope they took proper clothing for the women, they'll need it.

Myself I see 2 reasons the US government does what it does:

1. Preservation - "Men in Black" - there are things that the normal everyday person isn't expected to deal with, except here in the real world when the government screws up - they don't have those cute little erase the memory things... Oh! Sorry!, does anyone really miss the DHS "Yellow Alert, Orange Alert, etc."... I'll go buy some more bottled water in case of Terrorist Attack. Oh yes, my family feels so much safer now...

2. Greed - plain and simple, natural resources, power or plain money talks rather loudly. However there are plenty of checks and balances - so A LOT of corruption has to be in place for this to work... Kinda like we have now with the "RepubliCrats" or was that the "DemiCans"? :)

So what is a normal everyday citizen to do? :D Good question, I've faxed, and faxed, and faxed until the government fax machines give me busy signals, I've donated, and donated, and donated to people I trust to fight for the 2nd amendment and the constitution, etc... until I risk not being able to pay my bills. But now... I think my current answer is just buy more guns! And I hope the number of guns gets so large that we the people do start to "scare" our government a bit. As they really need it.

-M3

adamsreeftank
04-04-2007, 11:30 PM
The trolls are out in force.


Sure we have done lots of stupid things as a nation, but anyone who would equate us with Iran, or say we are worse needs to seriously get a clue.

And winning WWII and saving the world from tyranny was NOT one of the stupid things!

SunshineGlocker
04-05-2007, 1:39 AM
4. Do we do all these things for the *intent* to do evil on the world? :) Well hopefully those people took my advise and moved to the less evil country of Iran. Hope they took proper clothing for the women, they'll need it.

Doesn't matter what the intent is. Supporting the Taliban or Kim Jong Il or the Colombian death squads or bombing villages all over the place can't be excused by any intent.

luvtolean
04-05-2007, 5:50 AM
Quick history lesson, the CIA under Pres. Carter along with British intelligence -Was it the best plan? Did it work?

The CIA, which has bungled every op they've been involved in, was assiduously set up to watch the Soviet Union. Though in reality, that was a McCarthy-ite excuse. It was set up by a true paranoid delusional, who ended up in the nuthouse over it after setting it up.

The CIA for all it's billions, all it's operations without Congressional control (my real beef) did not even predict the collapse of the USSR.

They have no value or purpose, and despite being made up of what I'm sure is lots of smart dedicated people, they are useless.

But all of that is moot. My claim was that the CIA is a terrorist organization. And by the definition of the word, and by the court of public opinion, they most certainly are terrorists.

brando
04-05-2007, 8:35 AM
Ugh, these days there seems to be two points of view that dominate these kinds of subjects:

1. It's always America's fault

2. It's never America's fault

Gee, like everything else in life, it seems like the truth is somewhere in the middle. I deal with this **** all the time when guys like Bill O'Reilly immediately jump on people for putting any sort of blame on our country "you're anti-american!" or the ****-ing hippies who immediately blame the government (CIA) for everything. It makes me sick.

luvtolean
04-05-2007, 8:49 AM
Ugh, these days there seems to be two points of view that dominate these kinds of subjects:

1. It's always America's fault

2. It's never America's fault

Gee, like everything else in life, it seems like the truth is somewhere in the middle. I deal with this **** all the time when guys like Bill O'Reilly immediately jump on people for putting any sort of blame on our country "you're anti-american!" or the ****-ing hippies who immediately blame the government (CIA) for everything. It makes me sick.


I don't blame the CIA for everything. To me I see them as part of the middle areas. The CIA does harm us, but that is just one aspect.

We also do incredible good.

And I am certainly no hippy, I don't own patchoulli oil...:D

DIG
04-05-2007, 2:36 PM
I don't blame the CIA for everything. To me I see them as part of the middle areas. The CIA does harm us, but that is just one aspect.

We also do incredible good.

We do good, we do bad. The bad always make the headlines though.
yeah, alot of people just assume what they see on tv is the truth. bush & cronnies use the cia as a scapegoat. that was a given. fbi drops the ball on 9-11, etc..
Our government got complacent.

the truth is that we still haven't caught up on human intel due to the huge budget slashing and firings that happened in the carter-era. that set us back 20+ yrs. most all of the language experts had been let go from key areas through out the world and replaced with political agenda-driven, unqualified newbies. hind sight is 20/20 of course but no one will fess up and take responsibility. Only after 9-11 have efforts been made to get people properly trained and back where they belong to provide us with quality intel. satellites can provide only so much. accurate human intel is vital.

I don't and never have blamed cia for 9-11 as bush and the media did. the goings on at the fbi were questionable but whats done is done. we have to move forward and stay vigilant. who knows what they have planned for us next.
I'm just wondering where all of that "lost" russian reactor materials went :eek:

SunshineGlocker
04-05-2007, 2:40 PM
If we want to do less bad we should drop less bombs. It's that simple. Whoever is dropping the most bombs on countries all around the world is the bad guy in the situation. Whoever stays home and refrains from bombing and occupying foreign countries is not the bad guy.

xrMike
04-05-2007, 4:22 PM
Whoever stays home and refrains from bombing and occupying foreign countries is not the bad guy.I too wish those damn insurgents in EyeRack would just go home and quit with all the IEDs...

SunshineGlocker
04-05-2007, 4:30 PM
As I said, whoever stays home and refrains from bombing and occupying foreign countries is not the bad guy. If Americans had stayed home and refrained from occupying a foreign country, those IEDs would not pose any threat to us. As I also said, if some foreign country came over and occupied this country (the US) wouldn't we all be out rigging up IEDs to get this foreign country to give up and go home?

luvtolean
04-05-2007, 4:34 PM
This war started when someone came in our house and blew stuff up.

Lest you forget.

SunshineGlocker
04-05-2007, 4:36 PM
If you're refering to the 9/11 attacks... Iraq had nothing to do with them. Yes, the people we are hunting in Afghanistan did have a lot to do with those attacks, and that war is more justifiable, but Iraq had as much to do with them as Canada did.

Unless by "this war" you mean that the occupation of Iraq is part of some bigger conflict between the West and Islam.

TKo_Productions
04-05-2007, 7:15 PM
Whoever is dropping the most bombs on countries all around the world is the bad guy in the situation.

So I guess by your logic the US was the bad guy during WWII.

We should have sat idly by and let the Nazi's exterminate jews and overtake Europe.

:rolleyes:

ravenbkp
04-05-2007, 8:28 PM
Obviously a lot of you guys have never worked in EMS or Law enforcement. After you have met enough aggressive drunks,terrified psychopaths and and determined suicides in progress and seen a few crowd/riot situations. You come to accept that often the only thing that will serve is the laying on of hands, if you do not act people die! dammit why is this so hard for ya'll to figure out?
These wackos that we are dealing with always say loud and long what they are going to do! Remember Hitler? Remember his little book Mein Kampf? Lets just wait till we have to bail the world out to the tune of half a million American lives to satisfy you? If you are a pacifist great!! I wish all men and women were! But do not inflict your suicidal idiocy on me!@#@#%$%^&*(