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mikehaas
04-02-2007, 12:59 PM
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The Unknown Ordinance: Mandatory Firearm Theft/Loss Reporting
They say it's a "tool" Law Enforcement wants, even needs, but...
April 2, 2007

We received an email from a San Francisco Police officer, typed in "ALL CAPS" and apparently indignant that we would spread false information about San Francisco, i.e., that San Francisco has passed Mandatory Loss/Theft Reporting and it has resulted in zero prosecutions.

"I AM AN INSPECTOR WITH THE SF POLICE DEPARTMENT. MY SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS INVESTIGATING FIREARM CRIMES AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR 8 YEARS. MYSELF AND THE D.A.'S OFFICE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS LAW..."

See the full email from this officer and how it turned out at:
http://calnra.com/caspecial/theunkownordinance.shtml

FYI, Sacramento is currently considering this bad idea. See
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=saclosstheft&year=2007

Mike

DrjonesUSA
04-02-2007, 1:32 PM
ZING!!!!!

Thanks a ton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, I can't WAIT for tomorrow!!!

Rumpled
04-02-2007, 1:37 PM
How utterly ridiculous is it that an SFPD "Inspector" does not have or know where to get a copy of his own cities' municipal code?!?! WTF? OVER.
And that lack of knowledge extends to at least one Deputy DA, and the SF City Attorney!

I bet I can find it in less than five minutes.

DrjonesUSA
04-02-2007, 1:39 PM
So, does this mean that SF never even passed such an ordinance?

Rumpled
04-02-2007, 1:54 PM
Timing.....Now!

OK, "Inspector" D-bag (to borrow from NYPD Blue's Sipowicz) it's
SF Police Code Article 9 Section 616

It took me about 8 minutes. I searched SF codes for gun stolen but found it under gun theft. Where do I send the $1 "Inspector" D-bag?

SEC. 616. REPORTING THE LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARMS.
(a) Any person that owns or is otherwise in possession of a firearm shall report the theft or loss of such firearm to the San Francisco Police Department within 48 hours of becoming aware of the theft or loss whenever (1) the owner resides in San Francisco, or (2) the theft or loss of the firearm occurs in San Francisco.
(b) The failure of an owner or person in possession of a firearm to report the theft or loss of the firearms within 48 hours of when the owner or person in possession becomes aware or should have become aware of the theft or loss shall be punishable in accordance with Section 613.19.
(Added by Ord. 260-04, File No. 031932, App. 11/4/2004) (Former Sec. 616 added by Ord. 1.075, App. 10/11/38; repealed by Ord. 260-04)

kap
04-02-2007, 1:54 PM
No, it is definitely there for the world to see. Just looked it up for fun.

http://library1.municode.com/4201/DocView/14140/1/22?hilite=firearm;firearms;loss;losses;theft;theft s;#0-0-0-683

SEC. 616. REPORTING THE LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARMS.
(a) Any person that owns or is otherwise in possession of a firearm shall report the theft or loss of such firearm to the San Francisco Police Department within 48 hours of becoming aware of the theft or loss whenever (1) the owner resides in San Francisco, or (2) the theft or loss of the firearm occurs in San Francisco.
(b) The failure of an owner or person in possession of a firearm to report the theft or loss of the firearms within 48 hours of when the owner or person in possession becomes aware or should have become aware of the theft or loss shall be punishable in accordance with Section 613.19.
(Added by Ord. 260-04, File No. 031932, App. 11/4/2004) (Former Sec. 616 added by Ord. 1.075, App. 10/11/38; repealed by Ord. 260-04)


Took me less time than Rumpled, but same post.

DrjonesUSA
04-02-2007, 3:49 PM
K, I get it: this just illustrates perfectly how the administrators in the cities that have passed this ordinance are 100% UNAWARE of its existence.

Great!!!!

I'll definitely be using this tomorrow!!!!

HowardW56
04-02-2007, 4:21 PM
I checked it too...... It has been there since 11/4/2004

E__WOK
04-02-2007, 5:34 PM
(b) The failure of an owner or person in possession of a firearm to report the theft or loss of the firearms within 48 hours of when the owner or person in possession becomes aware or should have become aware of the theft or loss shall be punishable in accordance with Section 613.19.
(Added by Ord. 260-04, File No. 031932, App. 11/4/2004) (Former Sec. 616 added by Ord. 1.075, App. 10/11/38; repealed by Ord. 260-04)

What's the punishment?

HowardW56
04-02-2007, 6:01 PM
What's the punishment?

I read section 613.19, but I don't recall it all, it can be an infraction or a misdemeanor

M. Sage
04-02-2007, 6:03 PM
What's the punishment?

They force you to live in SF for the rest of your life.

C.G.
04-02-2007, 7:08 PM
They force you to live in SF for the rest of your life.

Cruel and unusual punishment.:eek:

SemiAutoSam
04-02-2007, 7:31 PM
OK so Inspector Callahan didn't know about this law.

That's nothing new for a flatfoot in SF now is it ?

What Harry does not seem to understand is that this new law has made the Local cop on the beat the bad guy as he could be instrumental in helping the DA prosecute you.

Is this about the size of it ?

HowardW56
04-02-2007, 7:36 PM
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The Unknown Ordinance: Mandatory Firearm Theft/Loss Reporting
They say it's a "tool" Law Enforcement wants, even needs, but...
April 2, 2007

We received an email from a San Francisco Police officer, typed in "ALL CAPS" and apparently indignant that we would spread false information about San Francisco, i.e., that San Francisco has passed Mandatory Loss/Theft Reporting and it has resulted in zero prosecutions.

"I AM AN INSPECTOR WITH THE SF POLICE DEPARTMENT. MY SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS INVESTIGATING FIREARM CRIMES AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR 8 YEARS. MYSELF AND THE D.A.'S OFFICE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS LAW..."

See the full email from this officer and how it turned out at:
http://calnra.com/caspecial/theunkownordinance.shtml

FYI, Sacramento is currently considering this bad idea. See
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=saclosstheft&year=2007

Mike

The joke about this ordinance and others like it is how can anyone ever prove when you became aware that a firearm was missing?

If you are burglarized and report it, that is when you became aware of it....

The whole concept is asinine….