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PandaLuv
02-20-2012, 3:41 PM
make every other stock triggers feel like crap?

I was shooting at 25 yard, and I was surprised to keep most of my shots on target, when I was shooting my p226, I couldn't hit it in the black.




Ugh! So spoiled now !

Akers
02-20-2012, 3:43 PM
jersey shore here wouldn't agree, but I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj90eNIfE

AeroEngi
02-20-2012, 3:44 PM
I agree with you 100%. The damn 1911 spoils you lol.

Black Majik
02-20-2012, 3:44 PM
No. There are other handguns out there that'll make a 1911 trigger seem like crap.

dan12580
02-20-2012, 3:45 PM
I will agree with you 100%. Id also add, not knowing what gun your shooting, but the gap gets even wider if your shooting a higher/high end 1911.

PandaLuv
02-20-2012, 3:46 PM
No. There are other handguns out there that'll make a 1911 trigger seem like crap.

well, let's just say around 1K mark, not worked on guns.

PandaLuv
02-20-2012, 3:48 PM
I will agree with you 100%. Id also add, not knowing what gun your shooting, but the gap gets even wider if your shooting a higher/high end 1911.

Mine is sig 1911, great shooter. I would say the most accurate that I have purchased.

I'm a terrible shot, but I would say that 1911 makes me a better shot lol

Lovin
02-20-2012, 3:51 PM
Mine is sig 1911, great shooter. I would say the most accurate that I have purchased.

I'm a terrible shot, but I would say that 1911 makes me a better shot lol

Sig 1911's typically have subpar triggers when compared to other 1911's, even the "unworked ones".

pdq_wizzard
02-20-2012, 3:55 PM
I love me some 1911

But my GP100 has a nice SA trigger

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dexter9659
02-20-2012, 3:58 PM
Maybe on semi-autos. Dont discount revolver triggers.

loose_electron
02-20-2012, 4:00 PM
Tough to generalize, because of so many 1911 variants out there.

PandaLuv
02-20-2012, 4:10 PM
Maybe on semi-autos. Dont discount revolver triggers.

Speaking of wheal guns, I shot two SW revolvers in .357 magnum and another was .38 special. They were J frames, i think, with 6 inch barrels. They made me wanna buy one lol so much fun to shoot and so accurate

Gnome
02-20-2012, 4:11 PM
jersey shore here wouldn't agree, but I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj90eNIfE

Holy crap! Jersey Shore. I love it! :rofl2:

Though he is opinionated (as most A type personalities are), he does bring up some valid points. Purely from a combat perspective...

Oldnoob
02-20-2012, 4:52 PM
Trigger really depent on the how the shoot like/dislike. If you think your 1911 has crisp, light trigger. Try some Single Action revolver nest time.

Freq18Hz
02-20-2012, 5:03 PM
No I do not agree.

-Freq

keenkeen
02-20-2012, 5:07 PM
well, let's just say around 1K mark, not worked on guns.

What have you shot...

S&W Model 52 or 952?
Para LDA?
Pre-Mag Safety Browning High Power?
HK P7?
Walther P99?

ojisan
02-20-2012, 5:15 PM
Mark your calendars, in February 2012 Panda discovered the 1911 and revolvers.
He began to understand what the old farts were always talking about.
:oji:

scarville
02-20-2012, 5:18 PM
Maybe on semi-autos. Dont discount revolver triggers.
I suppose with enough money and time the trigger on a 1911 can be made as good as a Vaquero or a Blackhawk. :eek:

beetle
02-20-2012, 5:18 PM
i posted this in your thread when you got your sig 1911

now you've done it. you went the 1911 route -- the trigger will spoil you and you'll soon forget about all of your other flavor-of-the-week guns!


The best trigger I've ever felt is on a worked on Colt Python (in fact the trigger may have been *too* light). The other gun that I think has a fantastic trigger is the Sig P210 -- in fact it's my current favorite to shoot.

XYZ
02-20-2012, 5:27 PM
I knew what you were going to mention before opening the thread :). Amazing, smooth, straight back trigger pull. You just can't beat it - IMHO.

Cyc Wid It
02-20-2012, 5:32 PM
Yes. Would love to shoot a P210 though.

Johnnykck
02-20-2012, 5:32 PM
I agree, for a non worked on, not tuned gun a 1911 trigger is hard to beat. Then when you tune them it's even harder to beat them.

Sheepdog1968
02-20-2012, 5:34 PM
I've been very happy with the factory Sig 220 short reset trigger. 1911s generally have good triggers as well.

corcoraj2002
02-20-2012, 5:34 PM
well, let's just say around 1K mark, not worked on guns.

Was it in .40 S&W cause that sucks. Lol.

AeroEngi
02-20-2012, 5:41 PM
I've been very happy with the factory Sig 220 short reset trigger. 1911s generally have good triggers as well.

Don't wanna hijack the thread but does the P220 SRT kit that you can buy from midway drop right in?

gant
02-20-2012, 5:41 PM
every new person i bring to the range, i have them shoot my 1911 last

and every person first shot BULLSEYE or damn near close to it

lol every one i take says they like the 1911 the best

gant
02-20-2012, 5:42 PM
Don't wanna hijack the thread but does the P220 SRT kit that you can buy from midway drop right in?

srt kits dont just drop in you have to pretty much strip most of the gun off

AeroEngi
02-20-2012, 5:44 PM
srt kits dont just drop in you have to pretty much strip most of the gun off

I understand that. I can detail strip my P220 pretty easily. What I meant was is there any fitting required after you detail strip?

beetle
02-20-2012, 5:52 PM
Yes. Would love to shoot a P210 though.

I usually shoot at Targetmasters (yeah I know, but it's convenient) on friday afternoons in the long bay. If you see someone shooting a P210 feel free to say "hi" -- I'll let anyone give it a go. Be warned though, after you shoot it you'll probably want one yourself! :)

DannyInSoCal
02-20-2012, 5:56 PM
Trigger schmigger.

How "nice" a trigger feels is secondary in my opinion as the accuracy.

By replacing the slide (caliber change) on my G21 I dramatically tightened up 25yd groups -

Still the stock trigger...

wash
02-20-2012, 6:10 PM
I suppose with enough money and time the trigger on a 1911 can be made as good as a Vaquero or a Blackhawk. :eek:
I have one of the worst 1911 triggers you can get in my Filipino Charles Daly.

I tried to fix it up with cheapo hammer, EGW hard sear and Dlask magnesium/titanium trigger. I got half way and then gave up because the interior of the frame looks like it was carved out by angry beavers.

Since I bought some parts for an 80% 1911 frame that is not finished, I decided to see how a Doug Koenig hammer, EGW hard sear and Dlask trigger in my crummy Charles Daly would be.

It's like a drop in three lb. trigger and after I find a tiny allen wrench to adjust the overtravel screw it's going to be really sweet.

That cheapo hammer was totally screwing up the pull the last time I tried.

For less than $150 in parts it's a better trigger than any revolver I've ever shot.

You could use a much less expensive trigger than a Dlask and get the same thing, same thing for the hammer, my problem was trying a $20 hammer instead of a $40 hammer the first time.

Now that I know, a Wilson hammer at about $45, an EGW sear at $24 and a $20 Greider trigger would be the lower cost way to go while still being quality name brand stuff.

If $89 is enough money and 15 minutes to install is enough time then I guess you are right but it doesn't seem that bad to me.

tbc
02-20-2012, 6:10 PM
Trigger schmigger.

How "nice" a trigger feels is secondary in my opinion as the accuracy.

By replacing the slide (caliber change) on my G21 I dramatically tightened up 25yd groups -

Still the stock trigger...

Could you elaborate more? Changing from what to what caliber? Thanks

Moto4Fun
02-20-2012, 6:11 PM
Maybe what he meant was: anyone realize how nice a SA trigger is over other types?

PandaLuv
02-20-2012, 6:16 PM
Maybe what he meant was: anyone realize how nice a SA trigger is over other types?

It's more like straight pull back trigger.


If only they made a SA/DA trigger like that on 1911s.

DannyInSoCal
02-20-2012, 6:20 PM
Could you elaborate more? Changing from what to what caliber? Thanks

Upgraded from factory .45ACP to GunCrafter .50GI -

50% reduction in groups (3.5") for 10 round mag at 25yds.

Shoots as accurate as I think I could ever need -

Zero interest in doing any trigger work to the stock setup...

XYZ
02-20-2012, 6:30 PM
Yes. Would love to shoot a P210 though.

Ahhhh...probably the best trigger pull I've felt. I had a chance to purchase one several years ago but passed on it due to a lack of funds. I've been kicking myself ever since. They just do not come up.

MyGlock17
02-20-2012, 6:38 PM
1911 are amazingly accurate..Main reason is because of the trigger pull...That being said if you get use to a trigger with any semi automatic pistol it'll pretty much be accurate as long as you have the sights on right...I can shoot my brothers USP .40 just as good as his Kimber 1911 but with my Glock not as accurate yet since it's new i haven't got use to the trigger pull yet...Im gonna stick with my glock and try to master it 1st before i shoot another gun lol...

tbc
02-20-2012, 6:42 PM
.50 GI is freakin Fat. Wow. Thanks. :)

Back to the topic. OP, I am guessing your sig p226 barely hit the black was because the sights. A 12 o'clock hold would cover the entire target at 25 yards. It would be difficult to acquire a good sight picture.

A 1911 hold is point of aim so it is easier to acquire sight picture at 25 yards.

Just my analysis of course. :)

CWUSCG
02-20-2012, 7:18 PM
No I do not agree.

-Freq

:eek:

.....:mad:

...:toetap05:

:ban:

j/k dude. You're entitled to your opinion. Even though its wrong. :D


:cheers2: To the best handgun platform ever made!

CWUSCG
02-20-2012, 7:22 PM
If only they made a SA/DA trigger like that on 1911s.

Para-Ordance makes a D.A 1911.

Mr310
02-20-2012, 7:44 PM
What have you shot...

S&W Model 52 or 952?
Para LDA?
Pre-Mag Safety Browning High Power?
HK P7?
Walther P99?

The trigger on the P99 does not even come close to the trigger of the 1911. In addition, the BHP originally shipped with a magazine safety, I believe, and was incorporated into the original design of the pistol for the French trials in '35.

Mark your calendars, in February 2012 Panda discovered the 1911 and revolvers.
He began to understand what the old farts were always talking about.
:oji:

I'm still debating as to whether I think you should not be able to use :oji: or whether you should be forced to use him after every one of your posts. :43:

Fishslayer
02-20-2012, 7:50 PM
Ever dropped the hammer on a '50s-'60's vintage S&W wheelgun?:oji:

But yes. For bottom feeders the 1911 trigger pretty much rules. Essentially because of it's design.

Sonic_mike
02-20-2012, 7:55 PM
Yes I shot a kimber like a month ago and tomorrow I'm off to the local ffl so I can start the dros on my park SA loaded 1911 :)

al8550
02-20-2012, 8:38 PM
No. There are other handguns out there that'll make a 1911 trigger seem like crap.

really???? which ones? I don't know, I kinda agree with Panda on this one.

PandaLuv
02-20-2012, 8:45 PM
really???? which ones? I don't know, I kinda agree with Panda on this one.

I think he meant like race guns, I was more thinking small leagues, around 1K

wash
02-20-2012, 10:06 PM
I've dry fired one Beretta .22 target pistol that had a really sweet trigger and there are some pretty nice revolver triggers out there but the best 1911 triggers will compare well to anything except maybe an electronic trigger on a air rifle.

There are crap 1911 triggers out there but the design is conducive to a nice crisp trigger pull if you use decent parts.

JNunez23
02-20-2012, 10:31 PM
jersey shore here wouldn't agree, but I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj90eNIfE

That guy loves those shirts huh?? D Bag! lol

jeffrice6
02-20-2012, 10:59 PM
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My worked over Custom II trigger is now every bit that of my Baer. And the Baer is going to him next!

keenkeen
02-20-2012, 11:21 PM
the BHP originally shipped with a magazine safety, I believe, and was incorporated into the original design of the pistol for the French trials in '35.


Right you are...I should have said "De-Mag Safety-ed Hi Power"

Mr310
02-20-2012, 11:45 PM
Right you are...I should have said "De-Mag Safety-ed Hi Power"

Haha, touche.

chim-chim7
02-21-2012, 12:25 AM
My 1911 triggers are superior, but that doesn't make me shoot my other guns any worse.

Moto4Fun
02-21-2012, 11:23 AM
I wonder how much of the 1911 trigger sweetness can be attributed to the angle as much as the mechanism. I would think with a good high grip back and slightly up would be superior to straight back. But what do I know?

ojisan
02-21-2012, 11:56 AM
I'm still debating as to whether I think you should not be able to use :oji: or whether you should be forced to use him after every one of your posts. :43:

I don't know either...
:confused:

:shrug:

:43:


:oji:

Lead Waster
02-21-2012, 1:09 PM
Trigger schmigger.

How "nice" a trigger feels is secondary in my opinion as the accuracy.

By replacing the slide (caliber change) on my G21 I dramatically tightened up 25yd groups -

Still the stock trigger...

The problem with the 1911 trigger is that it masks other issues a shooter might have. Pistol Grandmaster can shoot anything and get bullseyes. Average shooters can shoot 1911's better because it helps mask other shooter errors by sheer awesomeness.

I can't shoot my G21 worth crap. I can shoot my 1911 a bit better, but my CZ's (9mm) I can cut out ragged holes with. But that's more likely because I shoot 9mm better, and I think that is because I flinch with a .45. The 1911 helps hide the flinch and the Glock doesn't let me get away with it.

If you can shoot a 1911 better than your other guns, it's because the 1911 is making you a better shot. Sort of like "Everyone looks good in a tux" kind of thing.

But, yeah, the 1911 trigger is amazing, you just press it until the gun fires, it doesn't move until the gun shoots. It's true what they say about the "breaking glass rod". A lighter 1911 trigger just requires less pressure to break that rod.

DannyInSoCal
02-21-2012, 1:24 PM
The problem with the 1911 trigger is that it masks other issues a shooter might have. Pistol Grandmaster can shoot anything and get bullseyes. Average shooters can shoot 1911's better because it helps mask other shooter errors by sheer awesomeness.

I can't shoot my G21 worth crap. I can shoot my 1911 a bit better, but my CZ's (9mm) I can cut out ragged holes with. But that's more likely because I shoot 9mm better, and I think that is because I flinch with a .45. The 1911 helps hide the flinch and the Glock doesn't let me get away with it.

If you can shoot a 1911 better than your other guns, it's because the 1911 is making you a better shot. Sort of like "Everyone looks good in a tux" kind of thing.

But, yeah, the 1911 trigger is amazing, you just press it until the gun fires, it doesn't move until the gun shoots. It's true what they say about the "breaking glass rod". A lighter 1911 trigger just requires less pressure to break that rod.

I agree.

My most accurate sidearm within 25 yards is my 6" longslide RIA 1911 full rail tactical when loaded with 230gr FMJ's.

But out past 25 yards - My .30 Carbine 1911 shooting 110gr at about 1700 ftsec blows it away...

:43:

jakuda
02-21-2012, 1:51 PM
In general...people who say a SA trigger makes a gun more accurate or how a trigger job makes the gun more accurate needs to spend more time making their trigger pull go straight back. A heavier, creepier pull amplifies your errors... a light one minimizes it... but a bad trigger finger is still the same.

PandaLuv
02-21-2012, 2:25 PM
The problem with the 1911 trigger is that it masks other issues a shooter might have. Pistol Grandmaster can shoot anything and get bullseyes. Average shooters can shoot 1911's better because it helps mask other shooter errors by sheer awesomeness.

I can't shoot my G21 worth crap. I can shoot my 1911 a bit better, but my CZ's (9mm) I can cut out ragged holes with. But that's more likely because I shoot 9mm better, and I think that is because I flinch with a .45. The 1911 helps hide the flinch and the Glock doesn't let me get away with it.

If you can shoot a 1911 better than your other guns, it's because the 1911 is making you a better shot. Sort of like "Everyone looks good in a tux" kind of thing.

But, yeah, the 1911 trigger is amazing, you just press it until the gun fires, it doesn't move until the gun shoots. It's true what they say about the "breaking glass rod". A lighter 1911 trigger just requires less pressure to break that rod.


you're absolutley right, I still mess up with my 1911, but not as bad with compare to other guns I own(ed).


that was somthing though when 2 of my friends were tea cupping my 1911 and were getting bullsyes like they were pros!

vandal
02-21-2012, 3:27 PM
The trigger is all the 1911 has to offer. It's a big one, but that's it.

9mmepiphany
02-21-2012, 3:29 PM
that was somthing though when 2 of my friends were tea cupping my 1911 and were getting bullsyes like they were pros!
Less than optimal grips only have a large impact when it comes to followup shots...if you are shooting slow, it really doesn't make a huge difference

himurax13
02-21-2012, 3:45 PM
I have one of the worst 1911 triggers you can get in my Filipino Charles Daly.

I tried to fix it up with cheapo hammer, EGW hard sear and Dlask magnesium/titanium trigger. I got half way and then gave up because the interior of the frame looks like it was carved out by angry beavers.

Since I bought some parts for an 80% 1911 frame that is not finished, I decided to see how a Doug Koenig hammer, EGW hard sear and Dlask trigger in my crummy Charles Daly would be.

It's like a drop in three lb. trigger and after I find a tiny allen wrench to adjust the overtravel screw it's going to be really sweet.

That cheapo hammer was totally screwing up the pull the last time I tried.

For less than $150 in parts it's a better trigger than any revolver I've ever shot.

You could use a much less expensive trigger than a Dlask and get the same thing, same thing for the hammer, my problem was trying a $20 hammer instead of a $40 hammer the first time.

Now that I know, a Wilson hammer at about $45, an EGW sear at $24 and a $20 Greider trigger would be the lower cost way to go while still being quality name brand stuff.

If $89 is enough money and 15 minutes to install is enough time then I guess you are right but it doesn't seem that bad to me.

The insides of the frames of almost all 1911's look like angry beavers were hiding inside of it. In order to get a truly spectacular 1911 trigger you need to get better firing control parts (i.e. expensive such as EGW or Cylinder and Slide) and a tightly fitted trigger (to eliminate slop). Even after you get the parts, they should be slighlty oversized so you can fit them to that particular 1911. The Trigger, hammer, sear, disconnector, and sear spring all need to be tuned to work together in perfect harmony which requires files, jigs, and stones, blood, and the sacrificing of a live chicken. The amount of pre/post travel, creep, reset, and break will be affected by all of this.

IMHO, its not worth the time and the money to get all of this done unless you can pick up a 1911 that had all of this done already. At some point, the hammer, sear, and disconnector angles will have to be redone due to wear after 10,000 or more rounds (depending on the quality of the parts that were installed).

Just get a used glock and a dremel with a polishing bit, it will be much cheaper in the long run ;).

t0kie
02-21-2012, 4:21 PM
Single stack (slim profile) with single action only...totally agree! :)

therza2071
02-22-2012, 6:40 AM
In automatics, I'd have to agree. A good 1911 trigger is very tough to beat, especially after you put a little grease on the trigger bow and break it in.

nrvnqsrxk
02-22-2012, 6:57 PM
That's what got me into 1911's in the first place.

Dat trigger...

Moto4Fun
02-23-2012, 10:08 AM
I have always been very happy with the SA trigger on my Sigs. It is a different trigger pull and reset altogether, but it is still nice to shoot.