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Rangda
02-18-2012, 9:23 AM
Hi all. I have been shooting handgun for few years and now I think it's time to get myself a riffle. I'm kind of thinking smaller centerfire caliber, Semi or maybe bolt action (I'm leaning toward semi). What are my choices for starter (inexpensive) riffles?

Thank you.

*******************Update************************* ***

I think I'm gonna pass on Siaga. I went to gun shop today with my brother and handle a Siaga for the first time. I don't think it's for me. I don't know how to explain it but I guess I just didn't like the way it build. It was kind of disappointing. Siaga was start sounding really good, has the three caliber that I think it was good for beginner (7.63x39, 5.45, 223), rifle grip (I didn't like the pistol grip, and the fact I'll need to deal with bullet button thingy), and very affordable. So I guess search continues...

PS: Thank you guys, but I'm looking for centerfire caliber.

Dhena81
02-18-2012, 9:25 AM
Siaga or a Mosin

kedenimar
02-18-2012, 9:34 AM
how about a high point 9mm, or a marlin camp 9? or a ruger 10/22 if you want lots of inexpensive target practice....

Akers
02-18-2012, 9:35 AM
One f.

JaMail
02-18-2012, 9:38 AM
i prefers raffles in .223, get a savage 10 in 223, one of the best out of the box rifles you can get.

chicoredneck
02-18-2012, 9:39 AM
I would pick a 22lr for a starter rifle. The ruger 10/22 or marlin model 60 are easy and accurate rifles to learn.

Black Majik
02-18-2012, 9:39 AM
I think a first rifle needs some sort of precision so you can practice marksmanship out at the range. Rifles producing 2+ MOA at 100 such as the mini-14, saiga, or pistol cartridges don't really give you the feedback needed for good marksmanship.

For a 1st rifle I'd look into a .223 or a .22

For .223, a midlength A2 or rifle length A2 are excellent. You can pick up a PSA AR15 for really dang cheap. The midlength or rifle length sights give you a good sight radius.

For bolt action, I'd check out the CZ 527 with iron sights. Sights are a bit crude but the rifle is of really good quality.

For .22, I'd look into a CZ452 for bolt, or a 10/22 for semi. Try to get the best group possible at 50 yards or extend to 100 yards.

Write Winger
02-18-2012, 9:43 AM
Kel Tec SU-16CA. Centerfire, semi auto, and no evil features making it CA compliant while still being able to drop magazines without a bullet button... and priced at around $600.

http://v18.lscache3.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?id=983b7471e2ad1550&itag=7&source=uploaded_content&begin=0&ratebypass=yes&title=Kel-Tec+SU-16C+torture+test&ip=0.0.0.0&ipbits=0&expire=1329611888&sparams=ip,ipbits,expire,id,itag,source,ratebypass ,title&signature=48C5877A2B6745A9D0E0E05B620E5BE629CA7891 .0DC99BAF293A95FFA1987AC80B611C918F1AFC26&key=ck1

Rangda
02-18-2012, 10:00 AM
Does Siaga 223 need that mag release thingy (I forget what it was call) install to be legal in CA? I really like that riffle grip instead the pistol grip look.

Edit: got it, bullet button.

Arkangel
02-18-2012, 10:01 AM
I vote for a Ruger 10/22. Cheap and easy to customize if so inclined.

Rangda
02-18-2012, 10:01 AM
how about a high point 9mm, or a marlin camp 9? or a ruger 10/22 if you want lots of inexpensive target practice....

I kind of want to focus in centerfire riffle caliber instead of pistol caliber.

Rangda
02-18-2012, 10:02 AM
i prefers raffles in .223, get a savage 10 in 223, one of the best out of the box rifles you can get.

I can't find that model on Savage website. Is it a semi or bolt action?

Rangda
02-18-2012, 10:03 AM
I vote for a Ruger 10/22. Cheap and easy to customize if so inclined.

Thanks but I'm kind of looking into none 22lr. A little more feel than 22 but not going to kick me off my feet.

Rangda
02-18-2012, 10:05 AM
I'm not too familiar with riffle round. Is there other choices I'm missing? Sorry for all these newbie questions.

mls343
02-18-2012, 10:19 AM
Seriously consider the .22 long rifle. There are other options out there, but you can get more trigger time and become far more efficient starting with the .22 and moving up there. Right now, you want to concentrate on fundamentals and there is nothing better than a .22 fir that. Besides, you will be saving tons of cash!

CAdude
02-18-2012, 10:25 AM
Ruger 10/22 or a Mosin Nagant. Both are cheap to shoot.

Rangda
02-18-2012, 10:35 AM
Ruger 10/22 or a Mosin Nagant. Both are cheap to shoot.

Where can you find Mosin Nagant's ammo?

eifersucht
02-18-2012, 10:46 AM
Don't start with a mosin-nagant.. They may be cheap, but I don't think that's an ideal beginner rifle. You must get a ruger 10/22 at least. If you want a cheaper semi-automatic rifle, how about something like a saiga 223 or an ar-15?

roushstage2
02-18-2012, 10:56 AM
It's not like you wouldn't have tons of fun with a 22LR. They are very inexpensive and will help you learn the basics of rifle shooting on the cheap. 500-550 rounds for roughly $20 depending on the brand and store. The rifles themselves are usually $200 and under.

toby
02-18-2012, 11:04 AM
Where can you find Mosin Nagant's ammo?

This would be the last thing I would buy, in fact I wouldnt even consider it..
Get a 223 bolt gun, should you decide it's not for you it will be easy to sell and move on, other than a 308 it's the most popular cartridge going.

AR15 Guy
02-18-2012, 11:14 AM
If your really looking into getting a rifle and getting into the rifle game an AR would be a good choice since there are so many options which really benefit your style of shooting. You could also purchase a .22 conversion kit if the .223/5.56 is too expensive. As for kick, the .223/5.56 is really minimal so I honestly dont think that will be a problem. Also if you ever go to Angeles, just talking to people during the seize fire can get you alot of information and many times shooters will be more than willing to let you try the rifle so you can feel it for yourself.

zfields
02-18-2012, 11:58 AM
10/22.

Fun, customizable, cheap!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E-CVJCWX9GA/TlB7aG_KWZI/AAAAAAAAAbs/A5K24DIPhrg/s1024/DSC00473.jpg

Moonshine
02-18-2012, 12:29 PM
For most rifle shooters the ruger 10/22 is their first rifle as a child. This tradition is so time honored it's like getting your first car. I got one as a boy as did probably most folks here

510GUY
02-18-2012, 12:37 PM
Get a Marlin 795 cheap and reliable.

Arkangel
02-18-2012, 12:53 PM
Thanks but I'm kind of looking into none 22lr. A little more feel than 22 but not going to kick me off my feet.

The Ruger 10/22 is a .22lr. As many have stated, this is a first time rifle for many. Another good (though more expensive) option is an AR platform rifle. The most common caliber is .223/ 5.56 and this has very little recoil. Don't worry about not knowing the plarform,with Calguns and YouTube almost anyone could build one from parts. The best part of building one is you control the cost.

jbush
02-18-2012, 1:37 PM
S&W MP Sport, cheaper then other ARs, accurate. Other then that you can occassionaly find some good bolt guns on sale in 308. I still think a 22 gets you alotta trigger time cheap. I usually go to the range and shoot the centerfires til my wallet is empty and spend the rest of the day shooting my customize 10/22 on the cheap.

jkody
02-18-2012, 1:49 PM
Go with a ruger 10/22. They are lots of fun, cheap and ammo is cheap. There are also tons of aftermarket stuff you can get for it down the road to accurize them. I have like a dozen rifles and still pull out the 10/22 once and a while to have some fun with.

Hoop
02-18-2012, 1:55 PM
ruger 10/22 if you want lots of inexpensive target practice....

This X1000. Cheap fun that will last for years and years and years. I have one that I've been shooting for 20 years and the extractor just went. That's 20 years worth of bang bang bang and nothing else.

jloffermann
02-18-2012, 1:58 PM
Sorry
1. ruger 10/22
2. smith wesson, or bushmaster ar15 you can find them for under $600 in a .22l/ .223 and up etc...

ruger is a staple.
.223 is little large not much kick and inexpensive in the beginning.

ar-15 is the mr. potatoe head gun the market probably the largest out there!

CSACANNONEER
02-18-2012, 2:12 PM
I know you want a centerfire rifle but, get a .22lr first. The money you will save while learning to shoot will more than pay for the .22 rifle and a centerfire one as well.

Pesonally, I was never satisfied with how any of my Mosins shot and have gotten rid of all of them. I don't like teaching people to shoot while using 3-4moa guns and surplus ammo. I prefer them shooting a better gun with quality ammo so that there is less question as to how they are really doing. If you must have a centerfire rifle, there are some nice inexpensive bolt actions that would be a far better choice than a Mosin. But, again all centerfire ammo is going to cost a lot more than .22lr.

Where are you located? Maybe someone would be willing to meet you and let you shoot some rifles before you decide on one. If you are in the LA area, shoot me a PM and maybe we can find a time to meet up. Well, unless that's really you in your avatar. If it is, I can't help you. My wife would kill me.

Merc1138
02-18-2012, 2:27 PM
You can practice your breathing, sight picture, trigger control, positions, sling use, etc. with a .22lr rifle. Considering that you can pick up a marlin 795 for 140 or so(plus tax and DROS), and 500 rounds for $15, you can have plenty of quality trigger time for less than the cost of a centerfire rifle, or even just centerfire ammo(ignoring the mosin nagant option).

Heck, for $300 you can get a marlin 795, couple extra magazines, brick of ammo, sling, and take a 2 day appleseed class and you're still under the cost of just about any centerfire rifle, or let alone the ammo. And yes, learning to shoot a .22lr rifle will translate right to centerfire.

(I also agree with CSACANNONEER about the mosin. I don't want a rifle that when I shoot, I can't tell if it's me being bad or the rifle/ammo.)

Beetle Bailey
02-18-2012, 2:34 PM
A .22lr is the best beginner rifle, by far. If a .22lr simply won't do, I would suggest something in .223 rem. A Saiga .223 is pretty affordable and capable of 3 MOA. But the sights and trigger leave a lot to be desired. If you can swing it, I'd say get an AR15. I own 4 Mosin Nagants (3 Finns and 1 Soviet ex-sniper) and they all shoot better than the Saigas I've shot but I would never recommend a Mosin as a first rifle.

AR15 Guy
02-18-2012, 2:34 PM
Hell Ill be at Angeles tomorrow shooting at noon. Ill let you shoot my rifle and see if you like it. Just send me a PM

atakacorp
02-18-2012, 2:58 PM
Hell Ill be at Angeles tomorrow shooting at noon. Ill let you shoot my rifle and see if you like it. Just send me a PM

Very smooth move, my man, if that her on avatar and she likes guns..Iíll say it will be a good day at the range:43:

atakacorp
02-18-2012, 3:03 PM
Hi all. I have been shooting handgun for few years and now I think it's time to get myself a riffle. I'm kind of thinking smaller centerfire caliber, Semi or maybe bolt action (I'm leaning toward semi). What are my choices for starter (inexpensive) riffles?

Thank you.

Get Saiga 7.62 no need for BB ,I have daughters 17,20 they love to shoot it and in the future if you like you can convert it in to an AK

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1018.aspx

Gnome
02-18-2012, 3:08 PM
Ruger 10/22 or something in .17HMR...

gotshotgun?
02-18-2012, 3:14 PM
M1A

atakacorp
02-18-2012, 3:25 PM
M1A

She said not expencive :43:

AR15 Guy
02-18-2012, 4:15 PM
Very smooth move, my man, if that her on avatar and she likes guns..Iíll say it will be a good day at the range:43:

LOL yea real smooth except my girlfriend would have my nuts if she saw any hint of flirting and since she probably will be with me thats a big no no:facepalm:

Gnome
02-18-2012, 4:49 PM
Hell Ill be at Angeles tomorrow shooting at noon. Ill let you shoot my rifle and see if you like it. Just send me a PM

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/mrsgermanotta/Word%20Graphics/what-you-did-there-i-see-itthumbnai.jpg

jm13690
02-18-2012, 5:13 PM
Just do a 10/22, so many options out there to customize it. I mean its one of the easiest things out there to change the barrel and stock out in. Ammo is cheaper then any other options. Then once you feel good with the 10/22 move up to something bigger.

Maxwell663
02-18-2012, 6:12 PM
For a first rifle I would go buy a Ruger 10/22. I know Big 5 has them on sale right now for $229 and a 500 round box of .22lr ammo for $18. I think everyone should own a Ruger 10/22.

Rangda
02-18-2012, 7:19 PM
Sorry guys I have been spelling rifle with two "f"s.

Drivedabizness
02-18-2012, 7:21 PM
I think a first rifle needs some sort of precision so you can practice marksmanship out at the range. Rifles producing 2+ MOA at 100 such as the mini-14, saiga, or pistol cartridges don't really give you the feedback needed for good marksmanship.

For a 1st rifle I'd look into a .223 or a .22

For .223, a midlength A2 or rifle length A2 are excellent. You can pick up a PSA AR15 for really dang cheap. The midlength or rifle length sights give you a good sight radius.

For bolt action, I'd check out the CZ 527 with iron sights. Sights are a bit crude but the rifle is of really good quality.

For .22, I'd look into a CZ452 for bolt, or a 10/22 for semi. Try to get the best group possible at 50 yards or extend to 100 yards.

Emphasis added. I bought both of these 22's. The CZ is very nice as is and the 10/22 with a scope, Hogue stock and an aftermarket bull barrel and trigger kit is an absolute gem.

Rangda
02-18-2012, 7:30 PM
I do want to ask, how is recoil difference between 7.62 x 39 and 223/5.56?

CSACANNONEER
02-18-2012, 8:10 PM
Neither is anything to worry about.

atakacorp
02-18-2012, 8:11 PM
I do want to ask, how is recoil difference between 7.62 x 39 and 223/5.56?

Rangda, no big difference ,nothing big , best way to find out to try both of them and see witch one you like,I see you like AKs? good girl:) ,you wont be disappointed:63:

Arkangel
02-18-2012, 8:14 PM
I do want to ask, how is recoil difference between 7.62 x 39 and 223/5.56?

There is a very clear difference between the two ( especially for a new shooter). The 7.62 will have more felt recoil and be louder.
For a first rifle the 7.62 is not the greatest choice. Ammo is cheap but so is steel cased .223.

atakacorp
02-18-2012, 8:20 PM
There is a very clear difference between the two ( especially for a new shooter). The 7.62 will have more felt recoil and be louder.
For a first rifle the 7.62 is not the greatest choice. Ammo is cheap but so is steel cased .223.

Com'on ,7.62 ,recoil, really ?,my 17 year old ,135 lb daughter shooting it all day long,no problem

Rangda
02-19-2012, 8:52 AM
I had shot 12ga shot gun once and it wasn't my ideal of great shooting experience. How is 7.62 x 39 compare to 12ga shot gun? Sorry I forgot what kind of load it was.

Arkangel
02-19-2012, 9:06 AM
Com'on ,7.62 ,recoil, really ?,my 17 year old ,135 lb daughter shooting it all day long,no problem

I never said it would be a problem. The OP asked for the difference, between 7.62x39 and .223/5.556. There is a felt difference, both in recoil and in audible report. Most people would fare better learning on a smaller caliber rifle, hence my not my first choice for a new shooter comment.

Arkangel
02-19-2012, 9:15 AM
I had shot 12ga shot gun once and it wasn't my ideal of great shooting experience. How is 7.62 x 39 compare to 12ga shot gun? Sorry I forgot what kind of load it was.

If you shot 00 buck or a rifled slug, the 7.62 will be easy shooting. Even most birdshot loads kick more than 7.62. My suggestion is go to a range and rent the caliber weapons you are interested in. A lower cost alternative is asking a fellow Calgunner to hit the range with you. All you will need is ammo. I let people shoot my rifles all the time while at the range.

Someone in a previous post already offered this. Most people will gladly help, all you have to do is ask.

BRANDON7766
02-19-2012, 9:25 AM
The 10/22 route is the most cost efficient...not necessarily the best.

First you need to decide if you want a precision rifle or an assault style rifle. Thats the most important question. After that...see next paragraph.

For a precision Rifle, you are going to get lots of opinions...the best advice I have gotten from people who actually shoot rather than just talk about shooting is...learn on a bolt gun. I would reccomend a remington 700 in either sps varmint or sps tactical models....both roughly the same price...just shy of 600...the difference is one has a 26" barrel the other has a 20". I would say grab the tactical in a .223 and that will get you out near 800 yards with the right optic setup and is a damn good place to start. If you want a semi auto precision expect to pay 2500+ for something as good as that sps tactical. PM me if you want more details here.

For Assault styel rifle (i get the impression that this is what you actually want). I would say you need to decide if you want an AK or an AR first. If you want an AK...ask more questions but in general you have three options. Buy a Saiga which is an AK without a pistol grip for the most part, buy a built one for a few hundred more or get a top of the line Arsenal for about 800. You can find other top of the line AK's but that will vary on where its from and who built it. So do more research if you want to g that route. If you want an AR there are three options again IMO...get an MP Sport by SW for 650ish or get the best deal IMO in AR's and get a Colt 6920ca for about 1k. After that its build your own or spend more money. If you can afford the 1k you simply cant go wrong with that colt.

Hope that helped.

Irish Gunner
02-19-2012, 10:06 AM
Get a 22LR and run hundreds of rounds through it. Get the cheap practice with that unless you are prepping for a specific hunt, deer for example, then I would go with .270, .308, or 30-06, but ammo is 10x more expensive and after 100 rounds in one day your shoulder will hate you.

icenix
02-19-2012, 10:36 AM
You are obviously set on something other than a 10/22, but I have to agree with almost everyone else.

A Ruger 10/22 is a MUST for every shooter in my opinion. It is a great beginner rifle, regardless if you are a kid and its your first gun, or much older and your first rifle. They are a blast to shoot and don't cost you a thing. Plus, they are cheap enough that you can save up some more money and buy something else in the near future.

The Ruger 10/22 was my first gun many years ago and I still have it. I have a 5.56/2.23 AR and while I love shooting that, the Ruger still gets shot more, and its not because of the price of bullets, its because it is so much fun to shoot.

I say you buy a Ruger 10/22 and continue to save and buy something else in couple months.

Here is mine, that I got back in 1992, with a pre-ban magazine.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/icenix25/IMG_2253.jpg

zfields
02-19-2012, 10:57 AM
You are obviously set on something other than a 10/22, but I have to agree with almost everyone else.

A Ruger 10/22 is a MUST for every shooter in my opinion. It is a great beginner rifle, regardless if you are a kid and its your first gun, or much older and your first rifle. They are a blast to shoot and don't cost you a thing. Plus, they are cheap enough that you can save up some more money and buy something else in the near future.

The Ruger 10/22 was my first gun many years ago and I still have it. I have a 5.56/2.23 AR and while I love shooting that, the Ruger still gets shot more, and its not because of the price of bullets, its because it is so much fun to shoot.

I say you buy a Ruger 10/22 and continue to save and buy something else in couple months.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/icenix25/IMG_2253.jpg

Great looking stock.

glock7
02-19-2012, 10:57 AM
I'd go AR with a .22 conversion. Best of all worlds, just my .02

Irish Gunner
02-19-2012, 10:59 AM
I was going to buy a M&P15 sport to hold me over while I save for my AR build. I built up my excel spreadsheet to get an idea what I was in for in terms of cost. I don't think I was crazy in my want list, I went with good components and a Timney trigger. Just to get functioning with BUIS i am looking at $1600 and nearly $2700 by the time I add the ACOG optics.

That would be a hell of an investment if I had never had a rifle. I started with a .22 and have shot/owned .30 carbine, .308 and 30-06. I am just now considering an AR. Figure out what you want to use it for, then go for it.

Target fun = .22
Hunting deer or pig = .30
Fun eye candy = build an AR and trick it out.

icenix
02-19-2012, 11:04 AM
Great looking stock.

Thanks!! I think it looks more brown in the picture, but it is actually a grey/black stock. It looks even better in person.

zfields
02-19-2012, 11:18 AM
Thanks!! I think it looks more brown in the picture, but it is actually a grey/black stock. It looks even better in person.

It does look pretty brown. I'm a bit biased, I like the brown, looks similar to the 1895GBL I just picked up.

icenix
02-19-2012, 11:22 AM
It does look pretty brown. I'm a bit biased, I like the brown, looks similar to the 1895GBL I just picked up.

Ehh, there is a little brown in it maybe, but I think the couch makes it look more brown than it is. Either way, it really is a nice looking stock.

drunktank
02-19-2012, 3:56 PM
If you are near Magnum in Rancho Cucamonga, you're welcome to try my 10/22 anytime. If you go to West End Gun club, you can shoot my AR & .270 bolt action. It shoots similar to a .308 and .30-.06.

anothergunnut
02-19-2012, 4:41 PM
Since everybody else has made the very sensible argument for a 10/22, I'll offer up the SKS as a centerfire choice. Although not ideal, it has some strong points. They can be picked up for two to three hundred dollars, 7.62X39 ammo is dirt cheap, and they are fun to shoot. They're just not as "tactical" as an AK.

Rangda
03-03-2012, 7:55 PM
Updated. Search continue.

Arkangel
03-03-2012, 8:28 PM
It sounds like you handled a converted model, did you look at a stock Saiga? It's a featureless rifle, so no bullet button needed.

If you did handle a stock Saiga and it's still not for you, then a S&W M&P sport may fit the bill. It sells for $650 plus fees and taxes but its as affordable as a decent centerfire rifle is going to be.

jm13690
03-03-2012, 11:23 PM
Mauser or 10/22

JackRydden224
03-03-2012, 11:40 PM
A beginner rifle is a .22lr rifle, unless you are loaded with money can you can afford to shoot all the center fire rounds you want. In my opinion any of the WW II battle rifles are not ideal. Recoil is going to end your practice sessions very quickly.

I would recommend that you take a look at a M1 Carbine. The gun is easy to handle at about 5lbs and the Garand action is proven to be reliable. The .30 carbine is pretty cost effective. You can get a 50rd box for about 12-15 bucks. If you are in SoCal Ontarget has one they rent out to people.

PEZHEAD265
03-04-2012, 3:24 AM
If you didn't like the saiga try mini 14 in 223 or 7.62x39,.The Savage 10 is a bolt gun if you don't know by now.I'm not being a smart azz.The Mosin is a fire breathing dragon that kicks like a mule not a real good rifle for your first.A AR can be built feature less not needing a bullit button but they can cost.

Rangda
03-04-2012, 12:03 PM
It sounds like you handled a converted model, did you look at a stock Saiga? It's a featureless rifle, so no bullet button needed.

If you did handle a stock Saiga and it's still not for you, then a S&W M&P sport may fit the bill. It sells for $650 plus fees and taxes but its as affordable as a decent centerfire rifle is going to be.

I don't think it's the converted model. It was the from a gun shop without pistol grip. Look like this one but with shorter mag.

http://ak47rifles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/saiga-7.63x39-ak.jpg

S&W M&P sport is an AR right? Or was it a simplify version of AR?

MrPlink
03-04-2012, 12:32 PM
S&W M&P sport is an AR right? Or was it a simplify version of AR?

yes and yes... :confused:
not sure what you mean by that

(p.s. get the .22, you will be a better shot for it)

JackRydden224
03-04-2012, 12:38 PM
I don't think it's the converted model. It was the from a gun shop without pistol grip. Look like this one but with shorter mag.

http://ak47rifles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/saiga-7.63x39-ak.jpg

S&W M&P sport is an AR right? Or was it a simplify version of AR?

The M&P Sport is an AR, just a simplified AR with the basic features. You don't get a forward assist, rails and some other features you'd get on a more expensive AR.

If you are looking for a basic AR you can also check out New Frontier's AR. It runs at $599. Depending on your dealer fees your final price should be about the same as a M&P 15 Sport.

Chan
03-04-2012, 12:59 PM
I just purchased the M&P15 Sport two weeks ago and couldn't be happier. It lacks a forward assist or dust cover, but I'm sure most people here will tell you that you'll never need those two features shooting paper zombies. A little more than your usual budget build but it comes with a lifetime warranty if that matters.

ptgarcia
03-04-2012, 1:17 PM
I'd get a Marlin .22LR, either the 795 or the 60 (my favorite). Super cheap to own and fun as hell to shoot. Everyone needs a .22 in their collection.

mincoda
03-04-2012, 3:03 PM
As others have already said a 22 rifle would be a good starting rifle. With ammo prices only to continue to go up, you will own one anyway. Ruger 10-22 would be my first choice. I own 2 and will keep them forever. Since they are inexpensive you will be able to get your 223/5.56 a little later with a lot of trigger time behind you. As always shoot safe and practice safe gun handling protocol.

stag6.8
03-04-2012, 6:03 PM
Hi all. I have been shooting handgun for few years and now I think it's time to get myself a riffle. I'm kind of thinking smaller centerfire caliber, Semi or maybe bolt action (I'm leaning toward semi). What are my choices for starter (inexpensive) riffles?

Thank you.

*******************Update************************* ***

I think I'm gonna pass on Siaga. I went to gun shop today with my brother and handle a Siaga for the first time. I don't think it's for me. I don't know how to explain it but I guess I just didn't like the way it build. It was kind of disappointing. Siaga was start sounding really good, has the three caliber that I think it was good for beginner (7.63x39, 5.45, 223), rifle grip (I didn't like the pistol grip, and the fact I'll need to deal with bullet button thingy), and very affordable. So I guess search continues...

PS: Thank you guys, but I'm looking for centerfire caliber.

I suggest a ruger mini 14...good quality, not expensive, easy to maintain, light weight(make sure you get one with the synthetic stock) and ammo is availble most anywhere(5.56/223) and its good for home defense....and most of all ....no bullet button required.

Rangda
03-04-2012, 6:12 PM
I'd get a Marlin .22LR, either the 795 or the 60 (my favorite). Super cheap to own and fun as hell to shoot. Everyone needs a .22 in their collection.

As others have already said a 22 rifle would be a good starting rifle. With ammo prices only to continue to go up, you will own one anyway. Ruger 10-22 would be my first choice. I own 2 and will keep them forever. Since they are inexpensive you will be able to get your 223/5.56 a little later with a lot of trigger time behind you. As always shoot safe and practice safe gun handling protocol.

Thanks but I'm looking for centerfire caliber.

Rangda
03-04-2012, 6:18 PM
If you didn't like the saiga try mini 14 in 223 or 7.62x39,.The Savage 10 is a bolt gun if you don't know by now.I'm not being a smart azz.The Mosin is a fire breathing dragon that kicks like a mule not a real good rifle for your first.A AR can be built feature less not needing a bullit button but they can cost.

I suggest a ruger mini 14...good quality, not expensive, easy to maintain, light weight(make sure you get one with the synthetic stock) and ammo is availble most anywhere(5.56/223) and its good for home defense....and most of all ....no bullet button required.

This might be my direction. At first I consider them would my top pick, til Siaga came along offers in 2/3 of price. But now is back on drawing broad again. I'll need to check out mini 14/30 again.

I think at this point AR just too complicate to me. I went to S&W web site the type in M&P 15, two pages of AR range from $700 to 2K. And they all look the same to me. I can't tell them apart.

stag6.8
03-04-2012, 6:25 PM
This might be my direction. At first I consider them would my top pick, til Siaga came along offers in 2/3 of price. But now is back on drawing broad again. I'll need to check out mini 14/30 again.

I think at this point AR just too complicate to me. I went to S&W web site the type in M&P 15, two pages of AR range from $700 to 2K. And they all look the same to me. I can't tell them apart.

a featured ar requires a bullet bullet button...something you dont want....the mini is simple yet very effective. a featureless ar is going to cost more..due to parts (I run a featureless AR) and I`m sure you dont want that.

ThemBastards
03-04-2012, 6:29 PM
Hahaha NO MEANS NO!!!!!! 10/22's are cool but not what OP is looking for. Savage makes pretty solid cheap rifles. Can't go wrong with an SKS, they have very little recoil, shoot cheap ammo and last forever. They are a tad heavy but as long as you aren't marching the Russian mountain sides you will be fine. Go SKS

icenix
03-04-2012, 6:30 PM
I think at this point AR just too complicate to me. I went to S&W web site the type in M&P 15, two pages of AR range from $700 to 2K. And they all look the same to me. I can't tell them apart.

Exactly why for 2-3 pages you have had a ton of people recommend a Ruger 10/22. It's where many of us started, it's cheap to purchase, and it will buy you time to learn about the ARs. The AR is less complicated than you think, but can be very intimidating to begin with. I may have mentioned it earlier, but I have a Ruger 10/22 and a 5.56/.223 AR and I love to shoot both, but I get more fun out of the Ruger, and not because of the price of bullets.

Looking at your update, if you are in CA, you are going to have to deal with the bullet button in many cases unless you build a featureless rifle (blehhh in my opinion) or go bolt action. Obviously no one wants a BB, but since we have to, I really don't think it is that big of a deal to deal with.

Can I ask why you are so set on centerfire and so against a .22? You can get what you want, but just keep in mind you asked people who have already been there and done that, and most have recommended a Ruger 10/22, or at least a cheap started .22. Just something to think about, which I am sure you have, lol.

Arkangel
03-04-2012, 6:45 PM
So let's see if I have it right.

- Inexpensive
- Centerfire
- Semi auto
- No bullet button


These four features make it a short list.

The Saiga is already out, you could get a basic AR like the M&P 15 sport and then convert it into a featureless rifle in order to ditch the BB and be able to use standard capacity mags. This is not difficult and lots of help can be had here and on YouTube.

As others have said, the Mini 14, Kel tech SU-16 are both inexpensive and widely available. Both can shoot inexpensive steel cased ammo.

The Mini does use proprietary mags that can be pricey and sometimes unreliable if not OEM.

The SU-16 uses standard AR mags and folds in half ( cool feature :) )

Some have suggested an sks, unless 7.62x39 is an option, this pattern rifle is out.

ThemBastards
03-04-2012, 6:51 PM
So let's see if I have it right.

- Inexpensive
- Centerfire
- Semi auto
- No bullet button


These four features make it a short list.

The Saiga is already out, you could get a basic AR like the M&P 15 sport and then convert it into a featureless rifle in order to ditch the BB and be able to use standard capacity mags. This is not difficult and lots of help can be had here and on YouTube.

As others have said, the Mini 14, Kel tech SU-16 are both inexpensive and widely available. Both can shoot inexpensive steel cased ammo.

The Mini does use proprietary mags that can be pricey and sometimes unreliable if not OEM.

The SU-16 uses standard AR mags and folds in half ( cool feature :) )

Some have suggested an sks, unless 7.62x39 is an option, this pattern rifle is out.

I think OP specifically asked about 7.62x39- from the looks of your list it is el perfecto and half as expensive as some of the other rifles being mentioned.

MrPlink
03-04-2012, 6:52 PM
Thanks but I'm looking for centerfire caliber.

why?

Arkangel
03-04-2012, 6:59 PM
why?

OP's money, OP's choice.

stag6.8
03-04-2012, 7:15 PM
OP's money, OP's choice.

amen to that.

Rangda
03-04-2012, 9:31 PM
why?

Thanks for the input. But I have shoot 22lr in pistol before. I'm looking for something a bit more recoil (but not to the point knock me off my feet).

chris_m90731
03-04-2012, 9:33 PM
Definitely a RUGER 10/22 Variant. And as a matter of fact, I've one for sale: $400, virtually brand new.
http://tonyrogers.com/weapons/Ruger_SR-22/RUGER_SR22_1200.jpg

Rangda
03-04-2012, 9:36 PM
So let's see if I have it right.

- Inexpensive
- Centerfire
- Semi auto
- No bullet button


These four features make it a short list.

The Saiga is already out, you could get a basic AR like the M&P 15 sport and then convert it into a featureless rifle in order to ditch the BB and be able to use standard capacity mags. This is not difficult and lots of help can be had here and on YouTube.

As others have said, the Mini 14, Kel tech SU-16 are both inexpensive and widely available. Both can shoot inexpensive steel cased ammo.

The Mini does use proprietary mags that can be pricey and sometimes unreliable if not OEM.

The SU-16 uses standard AR mags and folds in half ( cool feature :) )

Some have suggested an sks, unless 7.62x39 is an option, this pattern rifle is out.

That pretty much sums up. Although, I'm not necessary saying no on bullet button but I do leaning more toward rifle grip instead of pistol grip.

The keltec rifle was interesting. I have never handle it in person. How are their build quality compare to Siaga?

Rangda
03-04-2012, 9:43 PM
Definitely a RUGER 10/22 Variant. And as a matter of fact, I've one for sale: $400, virtually brand new.
http://tonyrogers.com/weapons/Ruger_SR-22/RUGER_SR22_1200.jpg

Thank you for your input, maybe in the future but I'm not looking for a 22lr right now. Good looking rifle.

icenix
03-04-2012, 9:44 PM
Definitely a RUGER 10/22 Variant. And as a matter of fact, I've one for sale: $400, virtually brand new.

haha, of course you do, lol.

milotrain
03-04-2012, 10:17 PM
Mini 14. It's everything you want. Reliable, cheap to shoot, modeled after the M1A but much cheaper to buy. I'll agree with everyone else that if you want to learn to shoot a rifle well you need trigger time, and trigger time costs money when you are not shooting .22LR. However .223 is the next cheapest thing. The other nice thing about the Mini is that if it's in good condition it will never be worth less than $600 so you could buy a used one, decide you didn't like it and sell it for nearly what you bought it for a few years later (most likely).

Really, you don't have to think about this anymore. Mini-14.

Rangda
03-04-2012, 11:43 PM
Mini 14. It's everything you want. Reliable, cheap to shoot, modeled after the M1A but much cheaper to buy. I'll agree with everyone else that if you want to learn to shoot a rifle well you need trigger time, and trigger time costs money when you are not shooting .22LR. However .223 is the next cheapest thing. The other nice thing about the Mini is that if it's in good condition it will never be worth less than $600 so you could buy a used one, decide you didn't like it and sell it for nearly what you bought it for a few years later (most likely).

Really, you don't have to think about this anymore. Mini-14.

Thanks for your input. I thought 7.62x39 is usually cheaper than 223. Am I wrong?

Arkangel
03-05-2012, 6:09 AM
Steel cased .223 is usually in the same price range as steel cased 7.62x39

atakacorp
03-05-2012, 8:03 AM
Someone said the first rifle for the child should be an AK(Saiga), simple , reliable . 7.62X39 is the great round and its cheap 190-200$ for 1000rounds,just go girl and shoot a hell out of it:). Look at Saiga IZ 332 100 Series
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1018.aspx
get muzzlebrake 30-40$it will reduce recoil . If you want to spend more get Vepr, same caliber
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct967.aspx
good luck :)

milotrain
03-05-2012, 2:25 PM
Thanks for your input. I thought 7.62x39 is usually cheaper than 223. Am I wrong?

You are not wrong but it's not cheaper by much. Any decent quality ammo in .223 is cheaper than decent quality 7.62. Also the Saiga is pretty ugly IMO, the mini14 actually looks nice. The magazines are expensive but the gun is so cheap that it's not really that big of a deal. It's only a problem if you want 10 magazines. It's also a short, light weight carbine, which I enjoy shooting more than a rifle because you can spend more time shooting offhand rather than sitting at a bench or lying down. I like a quick gun I can plink with and a carbine is perfect for that.

Another great option would be a lever action marlin or similar in .357. Very effective to 100 yards, great accuracy with iron sights, looks great, and shoots a common (cheap) easy to reload round. Other benefit is that you can usually shoot handgun caliber carbines at steel targets on pistol ranges (or at indoor ranges) so you can get a whole lot more trigger time with a lever gun in .357 than you can with a .223.

I just convinced myself. Go get a used .357 lever gun and shoot the hell out of it for no money.

bombadillo
03-05-2012, 2:36 PM
I would recommend a Savage 93R17 in your flavor. Check budsgunshop.com for prices but they're in the $250-500 range depending on fancy stocks and otherwise, but the action and most of the barrels are the same. Get a Heavy barreled .17hmr or .22lr and call it a day. The bolt action will slow you down enough to focus on accuracy, and the .17hmr will be accurate enough to put a smile on your face every time. I LOVE my .17

bombadillo
03-05-2012, 2:39 PM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_975/products_id/24246/Savage+96200+93R17BTVS+17HMR+AT+LAM


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/93R17BTVS.jpg

And I got my trigger down to 1lb, 2oz with just a little cutting and stoning the surfaces. Breaks so clean and everything including safeties are still functional.

greybeard
03-05-2012, 2:43 PM
Seriously consider the .22 long rifle. There are other options out there, but you can get more trigger time and become far more efficient starting with the .22 and moving up there. Right now, you want to concentrate on fundamentals and there is nothing better than a .22 fir that. Besides, you will be saving tons of cash!
Ditto this after shooting large groups with my AR-10 (.308) it is back to the 22lr for some touch up.

BayouBullets
03-05-2012, 2:49 PM
I would pick a 22lr for a starter rifle. The ruger 10/22 or marlin model 60 are easy and accurate rifles to learn.

Total plus+ 1. If you are still learning the rifle, you should learn on a rimfire. It will help you avoid developing quite a few bad habits. Also VERY affordable compared to centerfire.

Below.Zero
03-05-2012, 2:50 PM
If interested in carbines I would go with an SKS.

If hunting is the ultimate end maybe a Ruger 10/22...

My two cents

milotrain
03-05-2012, 3:00 PM
.17hmr is insanity. It's a fantastic fun for no reason gun but it's the worst beginner round I can think of. It's way more expensive than .22LR, you can't reload it, and it's only a 200yard gun. It's one of the coolest technical and fun toys you can get but one of the worst all purpose things ever.

It's like a motorcycle with a side car. Awesome!!!!!! but most of the time I'd rather either have a car or just the bike.

134k
03-05-2012, 3:25 PM
lol..OP does state that he is not looking at 22lr, yet recommendations of 22s and 17hmr are still coming up.

bombadillo
03-05-2012, 4:02 PM
Ok, so my reading comprehension sucked. I would check out the mossberg mvp as its a .223 weapon that takes AR mags, and later on you can swap between an AR because its inevitable you're gonna want one.

milotrain
03-05-2012, 4:05 PM
How have I not seen that mossberg mvp before? mmmmmmm tasty.

bombadillo
03-05-2012, 4:14 PM
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/files/2011/10/mossberg-mvp-2.jpg

http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/MVP-Varmint-Rifle-5-5-2011.jpg


And around $475 you can't go wrong with it either.

milotrain
03-05-2012, 4:28 PM
Sorry to thread jack. Lame that it's a 1:9, needs a faster twist. Man that really bums me out actually, you can't look a a new thing to you that was new 10 seconds ago and say "oh well I'd have to re-barrel it so I might as well re-chamber it to 6.5 grendel and WOOOOOOOOSH money gone."

atakacorp
03-05-2012, 4:28 PM
I don’t want to start this ,but to the guy who are saying that Saiga is ugly, man ,beautiful rifle is the one that you can rely on ,and you can rely on AK platform. For the rest enjoy your good looking toys that will shoot sometimes, or not
If you are saying this is ugly, you should go back to the rifle beauty school :)

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/SAIGANOV/SGL3144-SGL3161PKALeft.jpg
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/SAIGANOV/DSC05719.jpg
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/Oxota_March/IMG_0959.jpg

milotrain
03-05-2012, 4:38 PM
It's cool, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

bombadillo
03-05-2012, 5:35 PM
I think the 1:9 is perfect, it will shoot 45 gr varmint bullets as well as 69 gr SMK as well. Anything f
aster and it may go downhill on the lighter stuff. My fave is 1:8 but they're practically nonexistent.

bombadillo
03-05-2012, 5:37 PM
I think the 1:9 is perfect, it will shoot 45 gr varmint bullets as well as 69 gr SMK as well. Anything f
aster and it may go downhill on the lighter stuff. My fave is 1:8 but they're practically nonexistent.

milotrain
03-05-2012, 8:51 PM
Yeah but who needs glass like that under 500 yards? 69s no good passed 500 yards. And with a bolt gun you might as well shoot 77s or 80s and they will get you out to around 800yards but you need a 1:7 to spin them.