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eifersucht
02-18-2012, 8:50 AM
I'm thinking about getting a bolt action .223 caliber rifle for shooting 100-200 yards target practice. I'm considering a savage axis w/ a nikon prostaff 4-12x. I figure that'll probably do the trick for a great price. Anyone have any experiences with these rifles or any alternative recommendations? Pics of your rifles would be awesome.

CptDan
02-18-2012, 9:05 AM
Take a look at the new Mossberg Bolt Gun in 223. It uses AR mags.

Black Majik
02-18-2012, 9:14 AM
You can push a .223 bolt gun quite a bit farther than 200 yards depending on the ammo you use and what your barrel can stabilize. However, can't go wrong with Savage, their rifles are stupid precise.

.223 bolt rifles are just good, cheap fun/practice. Maybe also check out the Varmint line since it gives your a heavier contour barrel such as the 12 FV.

eifersucht
02-18-2012, 9:16 AM
Take a look at the new Mossberg Bolt Gun in 223. It uses AR mags.

Wow, that's pretty cool. I have an AR, a bunch of mags and tons of 5.56 NATO..

lapsbpbep
02-18-2012, 5:37 PM
The savage axis is a good rifle for the price i have 2 one in 223 on in 308 the only nock i have had was a heavy trigger did a trigger job on both very happy with them

glockman19
02-18-2012, 5:46 PM
I'm still trying to decide between Remington, Savage in .223

vintagearms
02-18-2012, 5:49 PM
I picked up a Remington Tactical in .223. Not bad for the price. Have a B&C stock on it with a Timney trigger. Spent a little bit on the scope and mounts though- SWFA SS 5-20x with Seekins rings and base.

1lostinspace
02-18-2012, 5:50 PM
BVSS Savage with my handloads it groups well below MOA out to 600+

650proof
02-18-2012, 6:16 PM
sub moa at 100, even wolf groups very well

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-keENFpGmeW4/TvqPpjODOnI/AAAAAAAACgQ/FLFxHaa4Kuk/s640/photo-61.jpg

Cypriss32
02-18-2012, 6:21 PM
Look for something with 1-9 factory to shoot the heavier loads. Sometimes they will shoot the 75gr AMAX. Sps T, Savages...... all good choices.

gigante
02-18-2012, 8:13 PM
If you're not gong to hunt with it, get something with a heavy barrel. The barrel on a hunting rifle heats up too fast and groups start to open up. Unless you switch off with other rifles to let it cool. I got the Savage 10fcp-k in .223. Slick as snot that rifle is.

send it_hit
02-18-2012, 9:08 PM
tikka t3 lite in .223 is a 1/8 twist i believe, a little more than the axis though. worth looking at. good luck

C3ncal559
02-18-2012, 9:52 PM
I got my gf a savage axis .223 and I really love this rifle, If I knew that this rifle was out I would of got it before my Remington 770 deer rifle. The bolt is silky smooth on the axis shoots great I just took of the bushnell 3x9 off of it and put a BSA sweet .223 on it havent got the chance to shoot it yet, the scope has bdc up to 400 yrds but I dnt know about shooting that far . You wouldn't regret the savage axis especially for the price and wait for big5 when it goes on sale lol

bearstatearmory.com
02-18-2012, 10:12 PM
I'm thinking the Rem 700 in 223 will be one of my next purchases just due to the life of the barrel and the cost to shoot it in comparison. Also be a great rifle to teach my nephews to shoot with.

Irish Gunner
02-18-2012, 10:12 PM
Mossberg is more expensive than Savage and has no optics. My 30-06 Savage is very accurate. Review on Mossberg I read said they shot 1/2 MOA groups at 200-yds. Don't think you can go wrong with either. That the Mossberg takes AR mags could be a plus if you have them laying around or want extras.

maxwellca21
02-18-2012, 10:26 PM
1/2 MOA groups at 200-yds = 1/4 MOA?

Irish Gunner
02-18-2012, 10:30 PM
1/2 MOA groups at 200-yds = 1/4 MOA?

1 MOA @ 100 yds = 1/2 MOA @ 200 yds = 1 inch

eifersucht
02-18-2012, 10:43 PM
If you're not gong to hunt with it, get something with a heavy barrel. The barrel on a hunting rifle heats up too fast and groups start to open up. Unless you switch off with other rifles to let it cool. I got the Savage 10fcp-k in .223. Slick as snot that rifle is.

Does it make that much of a difference? I was looking at a weatherby today, but the clerk recommended I go for something with a bull barrel since I will be target shooting.

send it_hit
02-19-2012, 12:35 AM
1 MOA @ 100 yds = 1/2 MOA @ 200 yds = 1 inch

wouldnt it be

1moa = 1" at 100yds
1moa = 1" at 200yds?

isn't an MOA an MOA no matter the distance?

i'm a mils guy, so i don't know any better :p

wicked liquid
02-19-2012, 6:00 AM
I bought a used Savage 30-06 13 years ago, I think its a model 10 or 110, it has a Nikon 3-9X40 on it, and it has always been my go-to rifle. In my modest opinion, you can't go wrong.

Black Majik
02-19-2012, 9:38 AM
wouldnt it be

1moa = 1" at 100yds
1moa = 1" at 200yds?

isn't an MOA an MOA no matter the distance?

i'm a mils guy, so i don't know any better :p

1 MOA at 100 yards is 1.047"
1 MOA at 200 yards is 2.094"

1/2 MOA at 200 yards is 1.047"

Irish Gunner
02-19-2012, 10:02 AM
1 MOA at 100 yards is 1.047"
1 MOA at 200 yards is 2.094"

1/2 MOA at 200 yards is 1.047"

That is precision for you. To answer the original subquestion. 1 minute of angle is a measure of an angle (1/60th of 1 degree). So just draw a flat line and another at a slight angle. The farther you get away from the vertex (point of intersection) the shortest distance between the lines. I usually approximate 1MOA at 100 yds as 1 inch. So a 12" group at 1200 yards is still 1MOA accuracy.

Mils is similar in that it measures the angle but it is based on a unit of milliradians which is a different scale.

TonyMang_89
02-19-2012, 10:24 AM
Stevens model 200

Had mine shooting under 1/2" groups at lytle creek last time I was there.

Was shooting steel plates at 500 yards with it yesterday . Rifle is amazing for the money, Highly recommend it

bearstatearmory.com
02-19-2012, 11:21 AM
I really don't think you're going to go wrong with whatever you purchase. Just buy a rifle, go to the range and have fun shooting the hell out of it.

gigante
02-19-2012, 12:38 PM
Does it make that much of a difference? I was looking at a weatherby today, but the clerk recommended I go for something with a bull barrel since I will be target shooting.

I bought the same Tikka T3 Lite that Jacob referred to in an earlier post for the same intent that you seem to have. He's correct in that it is an excellent rifle, but it doesn't take long to have to start looking at heat mirage through your scope. I reload, and it becomes difficult to compare loads when barrel heats up, unless, as I mentioned earlier, you shoot something else while the rifle cools down. That's why I bought the Savage. The Tikka will probably go up for sale.

Don't get me wrong. It's a great rifle. I own 3, and I hunt with an '06 Tikka T3. But for the bench, I'd prefer something with a heavier barrel. YMMV

Capybara
02-19-2012, 4:55 PM
Hi:

I was very interested in this gun but a person from Mossberg told me that due to a parts delay, they didn't anticipate shipping to dealers until late March or April.

You should at least check out the CZ 527 Varmint. I ordered one and pick it up next week. Nicely made, very accurate out of the box.

Dan

Take a look at the new Mossberg Bolt Gun in 223. It uses AR mags.

Cummins_Powered
02-19-2012, 8:33 PM
I also have a savage axis in .223 and I am really happy with it, even with the optic that comes on the gun. I would definitely recommend it.

tanda10506
02-19-2012, 10:18 PM
Perfect for 100-200 yard target shooting. If you want to push it out further and have better consistency get a Rem 700 sps tactical. My dad just bought an axim for the same reason as you and he loves it, seemed pretty accurate when I shot it.

Rumline
02-20-2012, 12:41 AM
Look for something with 1-9 factory to shoot the heavier loads. Sometimes they will shoot the 75gr AMAX.
Um...no. :eek: You need faster than 1-9" to stabilize that bullet.

This is what happens when you shoot 75gr AMAX bullets out of a 1-9 barrel:
http://www.box.net/shared/static/0n9igns8zi.jpg

Although proper stabilization has more to do with bullet length than weight, more weight generally implies a longer bullet. Here's a general guideline for proper twist in .223:
With 1-12" twist you are most like to find happiness in the 40 (plastic tipped) to 55 grain range.
With 1-9", 50 to 69 grains.
With 1-7", 55 boattails to 77 grains.

billt
02-20-2012, 3:51 AM
This is my CZ 527 LUX in .223. It's a nice rifle that is all blued steel and Walnut. No Aluminum or plastic anywhere. The rifle is nice and light, and is very accurate for a walk about varmint rifle. I have a Leupold Vari-X II 3-9X 40 MM mounted in CZ steel rings.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/CZ527LUX223.jpg

Mstnpete
02-20-2012, 4:15 AM
I would recommend Tikka T3 Lite in 223.. I'm using Trijicon Accupoint scope.
Here's a picture of my upgraded Tikka T3.

It shoots dime size groupings at 100yards even using cheap PMC and American Eagle ammo.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/A8J9NRWNVD.jpg

It has one of the best trigger pulls out of the box rifles and is very accurate and very light weight.
And a bolt that is as smooth as butter!