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Calplinker
02-17-2012, 4:47 PM
I'm taking a long range shooting class later this year where we'll shoot to 800 yards.

I already own a Vortex Viper PST in 1-4 and was thinking of getting this:

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-6-24x50-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-mrad-reticle/reticle

It has 19 MRAD's of elevation. Is that enough to get me to 800 yards on a .308 bolt gun?

This is a second option at 50% more money ($1500 -vs- $950):

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51642.aspx

Nice thing about the SS is is has 30 mils of elevation.

I know this is a lot of magnification, but my old eyes need all the help that they can get.

I'm looking to buy the scope first as I can always mount it on my .308 AR if need be.

Haven't settled on a gun, but have looked at a Tikka, Remington 700 TAC and a Savage 10fcp-k

Any thoughts or advice?

mattt
02-17-2012, 5:08 PM
20 power is alot of mag? Most long range shooter I shoot with look at 24 as min. I shoot with a 24 power bushnell and a 42 power nightforce.

Dill45
02-17-2012, 5:23 PM
Are those total elevations or up and then that amount down? I would check into the weaver tac. 3-15x50. It has 100 moa of internal adjustment and is mil/mil. Really good glass for the money.http://www.midwayusa.com/product/911627/weaver-tactical-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-3-15x-50mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-side-focus-first-focal-illuminated-enhanced-mil-dot-reticle-matte. There's the link. It's first focal plane as well. Which is a big plus in my
Book

707electrician
02-17-2012, 5:31 PM
20 power is alot of mag? Most long range shooter I shoot with look at 24 as min. I shoot with a 24 power bushnell and a 42 power nightforce.

Holy crap! Is that your secret? I use a Vortex Viper 6.5-20 and its usually set on 14

Droppin Deuces
02-17-2012, 5:41 PM
Are those total elevations or up and then that amount down? I would check into the weaver tac. 3-15x50. It has 100 moa of internal adjustment and is mil/mil. Really good glass for the money.http://www.midwayusa.com/product/911627/weaver-tactical-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-3-15x-50mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-side-focus-first-focal-illuminated-enhanced-mil-dot-reticle-matte. There's the link. It's first focal plane as well. Which is a big plus in my
Book

+1. One seriously badass scope for the money. Probably the best you can get for under $1000.

toby
02-17-2012, 5:43 PM
thousands of people do it with 10x.

jtv3062
02-17-2012, 5:54 PM
Is my math correct? 100 moa is 28 mils rounded up.
27 moa should get to 800 yards for a 168 grain m118 round. This according to my mark 4 10x40 turrent.

jtv3062
02-17-2012, 5:56 PM
thousands of people do it with 10x.
Yep, general rule is 1x per 100 yards.

Calplinker
02-17-2012, 6:09 PM
thousands of people do it with 10x.

Yeah, but they have better eyes than I do.

For the money, I'm really liking the Vortex 6-24 FFP. $950, which leaves plenty of money for good rings, and a 20 MOA base to give me the adjustments to reach to 800 and beyond.

On a side note, I recently saw some photos of a Camp Perry Garand Shoot at 500 and 1000 yards using Irons. Impressive enough, but even more so when you notice that some of the participants were 60+ years old.

That there's some talented folks.

G-forceJunkie
02-17-2012, 6:13 PM
You wont go wrong with that Vortex.

BRANDON7766
02-17-2012, 6:16 PM
Get the vortex....next best would be a nightforce. Call mike at cstactical.com he not only shoots regularly with the nor cal precision rifle club but hes got great prices for calgunners.


For rifle, grab a 5r, once you can outshoot it then you can upgrade it like having the action trued, new barrell/stock or you can resell it for nearly what you paid for it and get a custom gun.

Get a rail with 20 moa elevation and put that vortex on and you will be gtg.

RugerNo1
02-17-2012, 6:29 PM
thousands of people do it with 10x.

But, there is definately a difference between "making hits" and "shooting for group/score". If you just want hits, then a 10x is fine. If you are shooting for groups or score, then more magnification is helpful.

707electrician
02-17-2012, 6:32 PM
But, there is definately a difference between "making hits" and "shooting for group/score". If you just want hits, then a 10x is fine. If you are shooting for groups or score, then more magnification is helpful.

It may be helpful but even when shooting for score its not necessary. Got to a long range match and you will find guys with low power scopes shooting high scores. Even guys shooting 1k with open sights shooting 9's,10's and X's

captbilly
02-17-2012, 6:45 PM
There surely are better scopes than the LRS-1 but the Millett is an excellent scope for the money and has a huge amount of adjustment (I believe 160 moa). If you have the money I would recommend the Schimdt & Bender Police Marksmen II. The issue with long range scopes isn't so much that an inexpensive scope won't hold zero, but rather, that the adjustments aren't repeatable or linear. You will be doing lots of calculations and adjustments when shooting at 800-1000, if a 27 moa adjutment isn't exactly 27 moa of reticle movement then you will not hit the target.

RugerNo1
02-17-2012, 6:53 PM
It may be helpful but even when shooting for score its not necessary. Got to a long range match and you will find guys with low power scopes shooting high scores. Even guys shooting 1k with open sights shooting 9's,10's and X's

I know, I shoot long range F-Class (Alternating between F-Open and F-TR) every month in Cuyama. The club has mostly Palma shooters (irons only) and a few F'ers.

For a beginner, a higher magnification scope may be helpful to aid in shot placement. Also, most serious F-Class guys, if given the option, will use higher magnification.

Coyotegunner
02-17-2012, 7:05 PM
My serious long range gun is the Remington Sendero 300 RUM/with a Leupold VX3 8.5-25x50-30mm/varmint reticle,EGW 20MOA base and Farrell rings=$2400.I am not much of a paper target guy,but have smoked coyotes just past 700.I also shoot a T3 SS Tikka with a Nikon Monarch 4-16x50 for elk=$1100.I use a Burris Signature 6-24x50 on a Remington police 308=$1100.My cheapo is a Winchester push feed 300Win mag with a Burris Fullfield 6-20x50=$700.Some of the stuff I got used ,but good shape.For scopes take a strong look at the Zeiss Conquest line and the upper end Burris stuff.I reload every round I shoot.

swift
02-17-2012, 7:11 PM
I really like NF scopes. A used BR nightforce without zero stop and FFP should be under $1000.

RugerNo1
02-17-2012, 7:36 PM
I really like NF scopes. A used BR nightforce without zero stop and FFP should be under $1000.

Nightforce has never, to my knowledge, made a FFP over 15x on the top end. Nightforce BR scopes are SFP, which is actually nicer for static known range shooting in my opinion, and have either 32x or 42x.

Many opinions and options are being thrown around right now without really knowing what exactly type of shooting the OP plans on doing. Are we talking playing in the desert, NRA F-Class, or Practical Precision shooting?

The OP seems like he is leaning towards the FFP scopes, but the discussion is digressing...

Calplinker
02-17-2012, 10:41 PM
Nightforce has never, to my knowledge, made a FFP over 15x on the top end. Nightforce BR scopes are SFP, which is actually nicer for static known range shooting in my opinion, and have either 32x or 42x.

Many opinions and options are being thrown around right now without really knowing what exactly type of shooting the OP plans on doing. Are we talking playing in the desert, NRA F-Class, or Practical Precision shooting?

The OP seems like he is leaning towards the FFP scopes, but the discussion is digressing...

Rifle will be used for an upcoming class in long range shooting where the ranges will vary between 100 and 800 yards. Not all ranges will be marked.

After that, I'll use it at my local range where I can shoot up to 600 yards, with the occasional trip to a range where I can shoot up to 1000 yards.

Ideally, I'd like to learn to use the scope to estimate range and shoot targets at varying distances.

No plans to compete.

Any suggestions on the rifle? I handled a Remington 5R and Savage 10FCP-K and the Savage seemed nicer overall, easier to handle and the trigger was MUCH more crisp and clean. I've looked at Tikka's on line and like the T3 in either the Scout, Lite or Tactical model. Tactical seems to be about double the price though. Advice?

killshot44
02-17-2012, 11:52 PM
Rifle will be used for an upcoming class in long range shooting where the ranges will vary between 100 and 800 yards. Not all ranges will be marked.

After that, I'll use it at my local range where I can shoot up to 600 yards, with the occasional trip to a range where I can shoot up to 1000 yards.

Ideally, I'd like to learn to use the scope to estimate range and shoot targets at varying distances.

No plans to compete.

Simple then, Nightforce 5.5-22x50 NP-R1 reticle

BigBamBoo
02-18-2012, 6:20 AM
^ This ^. Let me know if you would be interested in one. I have one I will posting for sale here shortly. PM me for details and price.

Take care,Stan