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boamedt
02-17-2012, 4:48 PM
i just got my new ak 47 today. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=534582
and im going featureless. i tried to load my metal magazine in and it would not feed. it clicks in the magazine well fine and didnt even have much mag wobble. but when i try to cycle the bolt, it either gives me a hard time bringing the bolt back, or if i get it back it, and let slam forward, wont load the round all the way in the chamber. if i then pull the bolt back again it lets the half chamber round fall out. the bolt is scraping the bullets and leaving scrape marks on the first bullet and cartridge ....any thoughtz?

ChaneRZ
02-17-2012, 4:56 PM
Have you tried any magazines besides that? Tapco polymer magazine?

boamedt
02-17-2012, 5:01 PM
ya the polymer one that came with it works...

NorCalK9.com
02-17-2012, 5:05 PM
Take your dust cover n bolt out and take a pic of the mag in the rifle.
Are you sure the mag your using is fully seated?

atakacorp
02-17-2012, 5:05 PM
open the mag and clean the spring oil it.Then ,take pliers and pull the lip of the mag up a little,try it do it again if need it

stix213
02-17-2012, 5:14 PM
If it works find with 1 mag and not with another, sounds like a bad mag.

Hope you're doing this with snap caps or at the range.

boamedt
02-17-2012, 5:17 PM
Take your dust cover n bolt out and take a pic of the mag in the rifle.
Are you sure the mag your using is fully seated?

here are some pics...i have two metal mags and they both do the same thing
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5594/p2170016.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1797/p2170013.jpg

boamedt
02-17-2012, 5:23 PM
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6651/p2170015j.jpg

zfields
02-17-2012, 5:23 PM
I blame brass ammo...


Sorry for smart assed answer.

Can you get a better picture of the bullet guide please.

atakacorp
02-17-2012, 5:30 PM
here are some pics...i have two metal mags and they both do the same thing
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5594/p2170016.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1797/p2170013.jpg

Have you cleaned and oil your rifle,looks like its dry,nothing wrong with it just pull the lip a little:43:

Ryan in SD
02-17-2012, 5:34 PM
Probably the mag.

boamedt
02-17-2012, 5:40 PM
I blame brass ammo...


Sorry for smart assed answer.

Can you get a better picture of the bullet guide please.

this is the best i could get in their
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5310/p2170022.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5245/p2170021g.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3317/p2170020.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5264/p2170019.jpg
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7788/p2170018.jpg

boamedt
02-17-2012, 5:43 PM
Have you cleaned and oil your rifle,looks like its dry,nothing wrong with it just pull the lip a little:43:
didnt get past changing the mag:D which lip are u taliking about, i no the feed lips, but should i pull both of them up a little ?

atakacorp
02-17-2012, 5:45 PM
man its perfect,just pull the lip of the mag a little and you'll br fine,I had same thing with my PSL fixed all the mags and oil the rifle please:)

atakacorp
02-17-2012, 5:46 PM
didnt get past changing the mag:D which lip are u taliking about, i no the feed lips, but should i pull both of them up a little ?

mag's lip that holds the bullet, last pic one the further side

boamedt
02-17-2012, 6:11 PM
I will try bending the lips

luchador768
02-17-2012, 6:21 PM
Before you bend the mag lips, is it a 10/30 mag?? I have one 10/30 that does this when loaded with 10 rounds. With 9 it functions perfectly. Some companies are a bit stingy with the space for the 10th round.

IntoForever
02-17-2012, 6:22 PM
With the mags (plastic then metal) loaded in the rifle, note how much space is between the top and the rails of the receiver. Sounds like the little stop on the back of the magazine is preventing the magazine from entering far enough for the bolt to strip a round. You can decide to bend the lips up although I wouldn't recommend it or file the top of that tab at the back of the magazine so it seats further in.

Revolver Ocelot
02-17-2012, 7:22 PM
On My saiga with bullet guide the first round's point is above the bullet guide. Yours looks low, but it could be the pictures.

Kinda funny too, my surplus mags's forst round starts on the left and yours starts from the right.

Sorry for the cheap camera phone quality.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Revolver0celot/0217121924_0001.jpg

SVT-40
02-17-2012, 8:40 PM
What kind of mags are those? I've never seen a "regular" AK 7.62 mag with twin thin sheet metal feed lips.

The issue is your mag is sitting to low in your rifle and the bolt is not hitting the rear of the case sufficiently enough to allow the round to feed.

Do you have any real AK mags?

As those are crap.

Get a real AK mag to test before you go any farther I'm sure it's your repro mags which are the issue.

Compare your plastic mag to the metal mags you have. Notice how much higher they sit in the rifle. Use the center support rivet for comparison.

69powerwagon
02-17-2012, 8:42 PM
What mags are you using? I dont recognize the feed lips. Are they possibly 556 ak mags?

ChaneRZ
02-17-2012, 8:57 PM
I think he said the tapco polymer mags work. USE that!

SVT-40
02-17-2012, 9:01 PM
I will try bending the lips

If it's a "real" AK mag you should not be able to bend the lips.

boamedt
02-17-2012, 9:31 PM
If it's a "real" AK mag you should not be able to bend the lips.

just the slightest bend to the lips made it work....thanks everyone....by the way i have no idea what kind of mags these are...but they are ak 7.62x39 mags

SVT-40
02-17-2012, 9:36 PM
Do your self and your rifle a favor. Get it some real AK mags....Because if you can easily tweak the mag lips they won't last very long and will not be reliable.

SJgunguy24
02-18-2012, 12:44 AM
Do your self and your rifle a favor. Get it some real AK mags....Because if you can easily tweak the mag lips they won't last very long and will not be reliable.

Agreed, OP, find some surplus ak mags, give em a goid once over with a rag and some light oil and make sure the followers will slide top to bottom and use those.

luckystrike
02-18-2012, 12:48 AM
lack of dimples?

safewaysecurity
02-18-2012, 12:56 AM
Before you bend the mag lips, is it a 10/30 mag?? I have one 10/30 that does this when loaded with 10 rounds. With 9 it functions perfectly. Some companies are a bit stingy with the space for the 10th round.

This. Make sure you're not FORCING that 10th round in there. And far as you having problem with cycling the bolt, is it hard to pull back without a mag in there as well? Could be you might have to do some ejector filing.

safewaysecurity
02-18-2012, 12:59 AM
Also, is it just me or do the rails look at tad bit too low? And it looks like there is some marring in the chamber?

boamedt
02-18-2012, 8:25 AM
I got them working...the bolt slides nice and fine without a mag in there

Turbinator
02-18-2012, 8:55 AM
Oh - and please stop chambering live rounds at home. Not really the place to be function testing your firearm. Please get some snap caps or A-Zoom metal dummy rounds for this.

Turby

Mail Clerk
02-18-2012, 9:00 AM
I will try bending the lips

boamedt,

Don't bother trying to repair the bad mag. I'd just toss it and get a new one.
I use Pro-Mags and they appear to work fine for me but then again I don't need 30 rounders.

If you can I too would like to see your rig. Any pics please?

Mail Clerk

nine mil thrill
02-18-2012, 9:11 AM
are you using "reloaded" ammo ??

atakacorp
02-18-2012, 9:22 AM
Take AK and the mag that works to the range and shoot hell of her:43:

boamedt
02-18-2012, 9:41 AM
They r not live rounds, I have taken the powder out of the rounds that im trying the mag with. I have some real ak mags. I couldnt get these working so I posted them up to see if u guys knew why, and now they work too

Richard Erichsen
02-18-2012, 9:58 AM
here are some pics...i have two metal mags and they both do the same thing
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5594/p2170016.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1797/p2170013.jpg

I don't see the mag issue per se. A different angle might help.

R

boamedt
02-18-2012, 10:05 AM
boamedt,

Don't bother trying to repair the bad mag. I'd just toss it and get a new one.
I use Pro-Mags and they appear to work fine for me but then again I don't need 30 rounders.

If you can I too would like to see your rig. Any pics please?

Mail Clerk

here are some pics beofre i do anything to the rifle. im planning on refinishing the wood today, and tossing my bb once my featureless kydex fin grip comes in.:D
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5264/p2170019.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9721/p2170018d.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/38/p2170020w.jpg

SVT-40
02-18-2012, 10:43 AM
They r not live rounds, I have taken the powder out of the rounds that im trying the mag with. I have some real ak mags. I couldnt get these working so I posted them up to see if u guys knew why, and now they work too

The mags in the photos are not "real" AK mags. They may be AK type mags, however they are not true Eastern Block or Chinese made military issue.

As others have said also ditch those cheap copies and get yourself some true surplus mags.

Mamluke
02-18-2012, 11:48 AM
These mags are not 'real' AK mags, in fact that AK is not a 'real' AK, it could be a clone of a 'real' AK that takes 'real' AK mags, whereby you can't easily bend the lip of the mags.

And these bullets are 'real' bullets, and I don't think you've taken the 'real' gunpowder out of them!

In addition, this entire thread borders on the sur'real' and therefore, this is NOT a 'real' thread and I'm just dreaming ....

can someone nudge me and wake me up please ... so un'real' .... :D


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atakacorp
02-18-2012, 11:54 AM
These mags are not 'real' AK mags, in fact that AK is not a 'real' AK, it could be a clone of a 'real' AK that takes 'real' AK mags, whereby you can't easily bend the lip of the mags.

And these bullets are 'real' bullets, and I don't think you've taken the 'real' gunpowder out of them!

In addition, this entire thread borders on the sur'real' and therefore, this is NOT a 'real' thread and I'm just dreaming ....

can someone nudge me and wake me up please ... so un'real' .... :D


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LOL. I knew you'll be helping us,Mamluke.Welcome to the bad trip:43:

boamedt
02-18-2012, 12:11 PM
Lol

Mail Clerk
02-18-2012, 3:33 PM
here are some pics beofre i do anything to the rifle. im planning on refinishing the wood today, and tossing my bb once my featureless kydex fin grip comes in.:D
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5264/p2170019.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9721/p2170018d.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/38/p2170020w.jpg

boamedt,

Your rifle looks real beuatiful to say the least. My current AK is the second f a replacement from BIG 5 who under management supervison sent me what appears to be a pre-selected IO Casar. Mine now shoots much strainghter than the first and the receiver cover doesn't require a rubber mallet to re-mount! Still in its factory synthetic furniture I eventually want to change it out for a nicier looking stock and perhaps put on a red dot.

So sorry I can't show any pics of mine as I admit I don't have to equipment nor the knowledge to show on this forum. Computer illierate is I.

Mail Clerk

boamedt
02-18-2012, 5:11 PM
Hey thanks Mail Clerk

SJgunguy24
02-18-2012, 5:32 PM
First off if you only have 1 or 2 mags out of 10 giving problems, then it's a mag issue. Second I doubt you pulled the powder in those rounds, if you did it's the cleanest bullet pulling job i've ever seen.
If you have nothing else to use other then live ammo for function testing, pull the firing pin. While not optimal, it's 100% safer then using live ammo with the pin possibly getting stuck forward and lighting off the primer.

azthig69
02-18-2012, 5:56 PM
And these bullets are 'real' bullets, and I don't think you've taken the 'real' gunpowder out of them!




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Got snap caps?

Revolver Ocelot
02-18-2012, 6:50 PM
Second I doubt you pulled the powder in those rounds, if you did it's the cleanest bullet pulling job i've ever seen.

I did this with two 5.56 rounds when i first put my AR together. They looked in about the same condition. Picture proably hides some things you would see in person too.