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Timer
02-17-2012, 2:48 PM
Hey everyone, Im thinking about getting a long range target bolt gun. So far I'm looking into the rem. 700 sps, not sure about the Sps w/24" barrel or varmint 26" barrel.For the glass I've been looking at the millet trs-1 (4x16x50) Looking for some words of wisdom from you good people. Anything would sure help.

phish
02-17-2012, 3:23 PM
in before the barrel harmonics comments, lol

orb451
02-17-2012, 3:27 PM
I asked a similar question a while back. Gist of what I got was:

1. Define long range
2. Caliber? I chose .308 to start with but other guys were highly recommending 6.5x55SE and/or .338 Lapua (if reloading).
3. Barrel length? 24" minimum

Other than that, not sure about the glass you've chosen as I've no experience with it. Someone more knowledgeable will likely have more questions/answers for you.

AeroEngi
02-17-2012, 3:30 PM
There's a lot of info about the scope you're looking at. Do a search on here, snipershide.com or google. Lots of info out there. It's generally a more than decent scope at a great price.

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CSACANNONEER
02-17-2012, 3:44 PM
Do not put a lot of money into your rifle at first. Buy decent glass. Spend any money that you had set aside for upgrading your rifle on better glass and reloading supplies and equipment. Do not bother upgrading your rifle until you have put enough rounds through it to wear out a barrel. That should be about the right amount of experience to have to actually notice and take advantage of the difference in upgrades vs. stock. High quality ammo (hand loads) and trigger time will make a lot more difference than anything else.

russ69
02-17-2012, 3:49 PM
...I'm looking into the rem. 700 sps, not sure about the Sps w/24" barrel or varmint 26" barrel...

You will want all the velocity you can get, the longer the better.

skkeeter
02-17-2012, 3:53 PM
You will want all the velocity you can get, the longer the better.

If your pushing out to 1000, then yes. If your shooting under 800, then a 20" will be sufficient. Plus if you want to hunt with it some day, shorter barrel means less weight to lug around. Try doing a google search of long range and cal guns as this topic comes up once a week and has been discussed extensively. Remember not to cheap out on scope rings or the glass.

Timer
02-17-2012, 4:00 PM
Thanks guys. Yea I guess I left some info out. So far I know I wanna reach out and touch at 400 yds. And been looking into .308. I am also gonna get a reloading setup soon.

jgraham15
02-17-2012, 4:04 PM
Here is a very good article (IMHO) on barrel length vs. velocity and accuracy. It is very enlightening.

http://tuffsteel.com/barrel_length-velocity.htm

russ69
02-17-2012, 4:08 PM
If your pushing out to 1000, then yes. If your shooting under 800, then a 20" will be sufficient...

You know, the newbies need to learn that long range shooting (NRA long range) is 800, 900, 1000 yards. Heck, the mid-range championship is only 600 yards. Maybe some day we'll all be on the same page and yes you are right, it's the last 100 yards that needs the extra velocity.

CSACANNONEER
02-17-2012, 4:14 PM
Thanks guys. Yea I guess I left some info out. So far I know I wanna reach out and touch at 400 yds. And been looking into .308. I am also gonna get a reloading setup soon.

400 yards? If you are just trying to plink steel at Angeles at 400, any old gun with irons should do. I've got a few K31s and surplus Mausers that I plink with out to 400. My eyes are getting old or, I'd be able to go father. Anyway, for 400 yards and less, just go buy a $250 surplus rifle and learn to reload for it. Anyone should be able to learn how to shoot 2-3moa with irons at 400 yards in a matter of no time. Do this to get in valuable trigger time while saving up for and learning what equipment is going to help you the best.

Timer
02-17-2012, 4:22 PM
I'm not gonna limit myself to 400 yds. Just my starting point. Yea I am a newbie! Thank you for the info. Maybe I'll just stick to my ar since I only want to shoot 400 yds. AH

Steelplate45
02-17-2012, 4:25 PM
from a ballistics standpoint. It's plenty hard trying to read wind at 700, 800, 900 yards.

A laser speed bullet, makes the whole game a lot more fun.

707electrician
02-17-2012, 4:29 PM
400 yards is not long range and a .308 with a 20" barrel will have no problem with that

russ69
02-17-2012, 4:36 PM
...Maybe I'll just stick to my ar since I only want to shoot 400 yds. AH...

With the right twist and the right load, you can get to 1000 yards with an AR15. If you have a good AR15, you just need to build a good load for it, it's a good learning tool. The 308 will make it a little easier but just a little.

CSACANNONEER
02-17-2012, 4:36 PM
I'm not gonna limit myself to 400 yds. Just my starting point. Yea I am a newbie! Thank you for the info. Maybe I'll just stick to my ar since I only want to shoot 400 yds. AH

Shooting .223/5.56 at 400 yards and learning to shoot in different conditions would be great practise for shooting .308 up to about 800. For some weird reason, many people tend to believe that there is something that happens between 800 and 1000 which makes 1000 yard shooting a bit different. I really don't know because, I only shoot 1000 yard matches. Everything else is just plinking and I don't get good feed back since, I don't shoot my percision rifles at paper at anything less than 1000. Again, learning to shoot your AR to 400 would be a great way to start out.

nimoZ
02-17-2012, 7:31 PM
Shooting .223/5.56 at 400 yards and learning to shoot in different conditions would be great practise for shooting .308 up to about 800. For some weird reason, many people tend to believe that there is something that happens between 800 and 1000 which makes 1000 yard shooting a bit different. I really don't know because, I only shoot 1000 yard matches. Everything else is just plinking and I don't get good feed back since, I don't shoot my percision rifles at paper at anything less than 1000. Again, learning to shoot your AR to 400 would be a great way to start out.

Something:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CvWlrwRB7T0/Tz8ayQOWykI/AAAAAAAAIkk/CGjLE2CQZW4/s800/SMK175.jpeg

707electrician
02-17-2012, 7:35 PM
Something:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CvWlrwRB7T0/Tz8ayQOWykI/AAAAAAAAIkk/CGjLE2CQZW4/s800/SMK175.jpeg

This. The .308 starts dropping like a lead balloon