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Drivedabizness
02-17-2012, 10:25 AM
I bought a lower from SBR on Wednesday, 2/8. Guy hands me the receipt, "pick up day is 2/19" yada, yada, yada.

Guess what? 2/19 is a SUNDAY.

They are closed Sundays.

That means I have to wait 12 DAYS!!!!

I will never buy on a Wednesday again.

But really??? 12 days is Nucking futs!

NorCArl
02-17-2012, 10:28 AM
and on the 7th day, he cried and cried...

coyotebait
02-17-2012, 10:30 AM
....open Mondays?

Chaos47
02-17-2012, 10:34 AM
wow...

Sanman023
02-17-2012, 10:35 AM
good to know...ill wait to buy on thursday instead...

Coded-Dude
02-17-2012, 10:35 AM
I made the mistake of stopping by there one sunday afternoon to buy ammo on my way to shoot. had to go to sportsmans instead....... :(

R.Fisher
02-17-2012, 10:36 AM
happpend to me before too bought on a thursday figured i could pick it up on a monday, come to find out there closed on Mondays...WTF who closes on mondays lol

edit: FWIW. i was talking about a diffrent gun shop

Curley Red
02-17-2012, 10:42 AM
:nopity:

Merc1138
02-17-2012, 10:44 AM
happpend to me before too bought on a thursday figured i could pick it up on a monday, come to find out there closed on Mondays...WTF who closes on mondays lol

edit: FWIW. i was talking about a diffrent gun shop

I can think of at least 3 different local gun shops closed on Monday just off the top of my head.

Who would be closed on a weekend since those are likely the busiest days as more people have time to shop and get other things done? Unless they're a huge store with a lot of staff, they have to close at some point.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 10:46 AM
I bought a lower from SBR on Wednesday, 2/8. Guy hands me the receipt, "pick up day is 2/19" yada, yada, yada.

Guess what? 2/19 is a SUNDAY.


2/8 + 10 = 2/18 :shrug: Why cant you pick up on Saturday?

Or do they make you wait 11 obnoxious days like Big5?

Coded-Dude
02-17-2012, 11:05 AM
2/8 + 10 = 2/18 :shrug: Why cant you pick up on Saturday?

Or do they make you wait 11 obnoxious days like Big5?

yes, they add one extra day to be safe.

Falstaff
02-17-2012, 11:12 AM
Look at the time on your receipt and make sure you come in at or after that time on the 10th day. Most shops that have the 11 day BS will still make the xfer if you come after the initial dros time on the 10th day. (Big 5 won't but the 3 shops I've dealt with will). The only reason gun shops do that is because there were supposedly cases where guns were let go a few hours before the full 10 24 hour periods had elapsed and they can got in trouble from the boffers.

cwin
02-17-2012, 11:17 AM
yes, they add one extra day to be safe.

That's ridiculous. What is there to be safe about? It's not hard to count 10 24hr periods.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 11:27 AM
yes, they add one extra day to be safe.

WOW, really? My opinion of SBR just changed...

Merc1138
02-17-2012, 11:27 AM
That's ridiculous. What is there to be safe about? It's not hard to count 10 24hr periods.

We just had a thread about this a couple of days ago...

Some stores don't trust dumb employees to not hand a gun over after 239.5 hours, so they make it 11 days. If you don't like it, shop elsewhere. Blame the state for coming up with an asinine law that can result in shops going out of business.

mdimeo
02-17-2012, 11:34 AM
Or do they make you wait 11 obnoxious days like Big5?

Lots of shops require 11 days.

This avoids people yelling at them if they DROS in the afternoon and then come back on the morning of the 10th day and they can't release it. "Whaddya mean I can't have it? It's been 10 days! I drove two hours to get here! I can't hang around for four hours!" And so on.

Usually, if you come back on the 10th day and it's clearly after the purchase time, shops will release if you ask politely. Big corporate shops like big5 are probably less likely to make exceptions.

roushstage2
02-17-2012, 11:34 AM
Did the same thing with my lower from them.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 11:39 AM
Lots of shops require 11 days.
Not that shops I patronize.


Usually, if you come back on the 10th day and it's clearly after the purchase time, shops will release if you ask politely. Big corporate shops like big5 are probably less likely to make exceptions.

That’s a good suggestion. I will keep that in mind if I go to a shop that mandates 11 days, but I still find it absurd that some choose to not “risk” because they hire staff that cannot count 10 24hr periods.

Either way, with my scheduale (and weekends) I usually pick up on the 12th/14th/29th day so I’ve never had an issue, but mandating 11 days = :no: :facepalm:

Drivedabizness
02-17-2012, 11:41 AM
My receipt is time stamped "1:11 pm". I asked nicely if i could come in Saturday afternoon after that time and I was given a firm "no".

Oh well...

Garand1911
02-17-2012, 11:42 AM
booooooooo hooooooooo

stix213
02-17-2012, 11:51 AM
Same thing happened to me when I bought my 686 and my last stripped lower.

hayaku
02-17-2012, 11:53 AM
i just bought a gun on last wednesday at 12:45pm. pickup is next saturday at 12:45 pm...

10 days exact... depends on your ffl dealer...

HK Dave
02-17-2012, 12:03 PM
When you're sad about the 12 day wait, it means you don't have enough guns in the safe. Stop buying them 1 at a time. :P

seainc
02-17-2012, 12:05 PM
When you're sad about the 12 day wait, it means you don't have enough guns in the safe. Stop buying them 1 at a time. :P

+1 ;)

451040
02-17-2012, 12:10 PM
We don't have cash and carry so five, ten or twelve days ... WTH difference does it make? :shrug:



WTF who closes on mondays

Shops that are open on Saturdays.

Coded-Dude
02-17-2012, 12:18 PM
i bought a BP pistol on Monday and it won't ship until Monday, so I have to wait longer than 10 days for my c&c firearm......(nobody around here had it in stock) :(

Lives_In_Fresno
02-17-2012, 12:26 PM
That's ridiculous. What is there to be safe about? It's not hard to count 10 24hr periods.

I agree...I bought a gun at 4:05pm on a given day, and picked it up exactly 10 days later, at 4:06 PM.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 12:30 PM
We don't have cash and carry so five, ten or twelve days ... WTH difference does it make? :shrug:


Well,

for someone like myself who is back and forth between the coasts, sometimes longer than 30 days, I may only be home for 10 days and if I had to wait until 12 I wouldn’t be able to pick up my purchase, so 10 days does matter.

If we just got rid of the 10 day bull it would solve all of “our” problems. :D

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 12:31 PM
I agree...I bought a gun at 4:05pm on a given day, and picked it up exactly 10 days later, at 4:06 PM.

Wow. That’s pretty good :thumbsup:

ns209
02-17-2012, 12:46 PM
Two extra days is nothing man, your in cali, get used to it. I know 12 days is nuts but 10 is also nuts too. But o well

asm777
02-17-2012, 1:43 PM
And if you buy two handguns from an FFL, try 40 days before you can pick up the second one... One of the managers at my local Turners told me about a customer who had a NINE month backlog of handguns. Crazy. I couldn't wait that long and would probably just buy lightly pre-owned. =)

SJgunguy24
02-17-2012, 1:46 PM
Don't feel too bad, there is a shop that will hit you for storage fees after 10 days, starting at the time of pick up, even if they're closed.

Gnome
02-17-2012, 2:35 PM
Cool story bro.

beedoublejay
02-17-2012, 2:41 PM
Well not to burst your bubble but, make sure they are open on the 20th, it's Presidents day and I know as a banker a lot of businesses are closed Monday too...

LoadedM333
02-17-2012, 2:42 PM
It used to be 15 days at one point.

SFgiants105
02-17-2012, 2:49 PM
i just bought a gun on last wednesday at 12:45pm. pickup is next saturday at 12:45 pm...

10 days exact... depends on your ffl dealer...

It depends if your ffl knows the law/ is a d-bag. I picked my .45 241 hours after my purchase. (gave the extra hour to be safe)

Actually, the law states 240 hours to the second. You can show them that law if they want to be a-holes about it.

But you know how it is, no one appreciates being corrected on a technicality. It's like telling a doctor he misdiagnosed you. ;)

winnre
02-17-2012, 2:51 PM
I bet red lights freak you out too.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 3:08 PM
Don't feel too bad, there is a shop that will hit you for storage fees after 10 days, starting at the time of pick up, even if they're closed.

Wow, that is just messed up... :p

NytWolf
02-17-2012, 3:18 PM
yes, they add one extra day to be safe.

You're kidding, right?? :eek: A place like SBR, adds an extra day??? :eek: You would think they would be 10 24-hour periods, on the dot.

winnre
02-17-2012, 3:29 PM
I want to work there. Then I will come into work on Tuesday , and if they say I was supposed to work Monday, I'll say I took one extra day off just to be safe.

Coded-Dude
02-17-2012, 3:30 PM
With all the scrutiny put on CA gun shops and the problems that come with the slightest mishap....I don't really think their efforts to be frugal with policies that could get them shutdown or put in jail are all that inconvenient. Don't blame the shops, blame the DOJ and the Legislature.

woods
02-17-2012, 3:31 PM
Fight the state not the store. Every shop that quotes 11 days has let me pick up after receipt time day 10 at big 5 they even let me just had to call the manager over to ok it.

I do understand the better safe than sorry owners and I'm fine with it as long as they disclose it first. Which all of them did.

JUm3
02-17-2012, 3:36 PM
wow! we have the exact same dros dates. Only issue is that I drossed at 730pm and the strore closes 7 on sunday and closed mon/tues making it a 13 day wait.

*unsmiley face

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 3:37 PM
With all the scrutiny put on CA gun shops and the problems that come with the slightest mishap....I don't really think their efforts to be frugal with policies that could get them shutdown or put in jail are all that inconvenient. Don't blame the shops, blame the DOJ and the Legislature.

I don’t think it has anything to be with being “frugal.” While I agree we should blame the legislature for this unscrupulous law and the constrains it places on my life, it doesn’t change the fact that the law explicitly says “10 - 24 hour periods.”

Waiting 11 days “to be safe” tells me you don’t trust your staff enough not let a gun go at the right time.

OniKoroshi
02-17-2012, 3:42 PM
Interesting about the complaints... SBR has you sign a paper saying 11 days and you agree. Is it their responsibility to tell you when the 11th day is? Also, if it was a hot item would you take the chance of coming back the next day (wasting gas IMO) and it being sold out?

I say scratch one in for a lesson learned.

Coded-Dude
02-17-2012, 3:51 PM
People are perfectly kosher with ordering items online knowing full well that the order might not be processed immediately(could take several days), and shipping could be 3 days or 5+ days(when using ground), but god forbid a gunshop put a cushion in their policies. They had better deliver that product on time, down to the second!

707electrician
02-17-2012, 3:54 PM
With all the scrutiny put on CA gun shops and the problems that come with the slightest mishap....I don't really think their efforts to be frugal with policies that could get them shutdown or put in jail are all that inconvenient. Don't blame the shops, blame the DOJ and the Legislature.

While it is true that we should blame the legislators for these stupid laws, the law is pretty clear; 10 24-hour periods from the time of the DROS. If you can't understand the firearms laws you are in the wrong business. The legislators have nothing to do with gun shops adding an extra day to the DROS period and frankly it is just a slap in the face for CA residents that are already burdened with having to wait 10 days.

I personally don't patronize shops that wont allow me to pick up my gun after 240 hours, for reasons of principle, not because I have to have it right then

Coded-Dude
02-17-2012, 3:58 PM
see above post.

707electrician
02-17-2012, 4:08 PM
Ordering an item online and having it shipped is a very different situation than being in the shop and being within spitting distance of the item you have purchased.

Like I said, I don't patronize shops that do the 11 day thing but if you do, good for you

Boo_Radley
02-17-2012, 4:31 PM
And like an above poster mentioned, monday is a holiday.

First-world problems...

rplusplus
02-17-2012, 4:39 PM
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Doritos+First+World+Problems.+every+damn+time_a0cc ad_3331049.jpg

I seem to always buy on Fridays... Pickup on Mon or Tues never a problem...

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 4:53 PM
People are perfectly kosher with ordering items online knowing full well that the order might not be processed immediately(could take several days), and shipping could be 3 days or 5+ days(when using ground), but god forbid a gunshop put a cushion in their policies. They had better deliver that product on time, down to the second!

I get what you’re saying, but:
Unlike “Wait periods” that are clearly codified in written law, internet purchases are not.

And if I wanted something next day or two business day than I would select the “next day/2nd day air” option.
Besides we’re not talking about internet order purchase that can take “x” days were talking about a bought pistol from a LGS.

The point still stands that this “cushion” is not needed both for convenience, and more importantly, its not legally required.


Who pays an extra 10% on their taxes because they are concerned about getting audited? - raise your internet hand???

Sunday
02-17-2012, 5:53 PM
NOT 12 DAYS!!!

zum
02-17-2012, 6:19 PM
gotta wait 11 days here because my shop is closed Mondays too

and to answer the question "who closes on a weekend" the answer is MANY gun shops do

and they could care less because they are CRAZY busy the rest of the week anyways

well at least the good gun shops are...

icenix
02-17-2012, 7:14 PM
Same thing happened to me.....don't see the big deal.....I wanted my gun as much as the next person, but really, what's one more day?

707electrician
02-17-2012, 7:15 PM
Same thing happened to me.....don't see the big deal.....I wanted my gun as much as the next person, but really, what's one more day?

Would you be singing the same tune if it was the state that wanted to add another day to the waiting period?

PPQ
02-17-2012, 7:17 PM
yes, they add one extra day to be safe.

So does Bass Pro Shops...Turners does not...

The law says "10 - 24 hour periods from DROS entry into the system". The gun shop says "and not one minute earlier"!

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 7:19 PM
Would you be singing the same tune if it was the state that wanted to add another day to the waiting period?

:iagree:

chim-chim7
02-17-2012, 8:15 PM
At least it's not a mandatory 15 day wait like it used to be. It's like the restraint of a 8 year old going to Disney World. Are we there yet......are we there yet.......are we there yet.........every 10 seconds.

p2rider426
02-17-2012, 8:42 PM
2/8 + 10 = 2/18 :shrug: Why cant you pick up on Saturday?

Or do they make you wait 11 obnoxious days like Big5?

Bass Pro does 11 days too :mad:

Pretty crappy customer service too, just wished I could have found the shotgun I wanted somewhere else besides them.

Reconsnake
02-17-2012, 9:05 PM
I agree with the above poster, if it bothers you, you dont have enough guns yet. However, consider for a moment a gun store's point of view. A couple people can literally walk in at any moment, unannounced, and begin an inspection of your business. This isnt an inspection that could limit your ability to make a living, this is an inspection that could result in the closing of your business. Why risk that? Also, in case you havent been into a gun store in the last 3 years, they can get busy; you really want jack coming in and trying to get his pistol at 10am, when his pickup time is 11am, yet he is there taking up space and a employee arguing about exactly what is talked about in this thread?

If you really dont like the hoop-lah buying a firearm, go through real hoop-lah getting an ffl to sell firearms... no 10 day wait then :P

ahren111
02-17-2012, 9:07 PM
Waiting 11 days “to be safe” tells me you don’t trust your staff enough not let a gun go at the right time.

:iagree:

I expect it from places like Big 5 & Bass Pro but somewhere like SBR should have their sh*t together enough to be able to count 10 24 hour periods.

Trickpony
02-17-2012, 9:31 PM
I had this exact discussion with the owner of SBR this week since I was picking up a new lower.

They let people pick up as soon as the 240 hour wait is up if they want to. They will tell you to come in any time on the 11th day since that's well over the 240 hour period.

They're open all day Saturday 2/18 and Monday 2/20. Go pick up as soon as your 240 hour period is over.

707electrician
02-17-2012, 9:36 PM
At least it's not a mandatory 15 day wait like it used to be. It's like the restraint of a 8 year old going to Disney World. Are we there yet......are we there yet.......are we there yet.........every 10 seconds.

No, it's like wanting to pick up your possessions as soon as legally possible. It would be like gun shops in states that have instant background check saying "come back tomorrow just to be safe"

jhaselton
02-17-2012, 9:40 PM
Most customers understand why they ask you to pick up any time on the 11th day. If they release the firearms one second early they can get in trouble. I say blame the DOJ. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Go to big5 and ask them to start the DROS process on a long gun before it's in stock!

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 9:49 PM
I agree with the above poster, if it bothers you, you dont have enough guns yet.

ehhhhhh!!! Wrong. It means that one likes to collect different guns, or likes to go through guns, or just wants to get the latest and greatest.


this is an inspection that could result in the closing of your business. Why risk that?
Risk what??? If your letting guns go before 240 hours then you risk closing your business. If you let them go @ 241 hours your following the letter of the law. :shrug:


you really want jack coming in and trying to get his pistol at 10am, when his pickup time is 11am
Then tell jack to take a hike. No reason to risk your license by telling him to take a hike. Better than inconveniencing the rest of us “jack” for one jack-idiot.


go through real hoop-lah getting an ffl to sell firearms... no 10 day wait then :P I don’t want to engage in the business of selling firearms, I want to buy and collect them.

Your points hold water like sieve.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 9:51 PM
It's better to be safe than sorry.


And you can’t do that with an hour, you have to take a whole day?

Minutes I can see, hours also, but a whole day; and extra 24 hours, really?

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 9:52 PM
It would be like gun shops in states that have instant background check saying "come back tomorrow just to be safe"

QFT!

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 9:55 PM
I had this exact discussion with the owner of SBR this week ...
They let people pick up as soon as the 240 hour wait is up if they want to. They will tell you to come in any time on the 11th day since that's well over the 240 hour period.


If that’s true, I am all for it and fully support it.

It would be relieving to hear that SBR, although they say come back on the 11th day, will release your possessions in accordance with the written law.

MrExel17
02-17-2012, 10:45 PM
After awhile you dont sweat it anymore, take the time to research parts and next buy items. And kick it here on Calguns, that's what I found myself doing lately. But I know how you feel.

Aspec5vz
02-17-2012, 11:23 PM
I bought a lower from SBR today and my pick up date is the 28th. I hate their 11 day wait policy but I understand why they do it. SBR is a nice shop, but living in Elk Grove it really isn't that convenient for me to go there very often. And for some reason, no matter what time I leave to go there I always hit traffic coming back!

68Datsun510
02-17-2012, 11:27 PM
I was supposed to have my Saiga out of jail Monday, been too busy to get it all week! >_<

6doubleR
02-18-2012, 12:18 AM
Duly noted.

roushstage2
02-18-2012, 12:27 AM
I had this exact discussion with the owner of SBR this week since I was picking up a new lower.

They let people pick up as soon as the 240 hour wait is up if they want to. They will tell you to come in any time on the 11th day since that's well over the 240 hour period.

They're open all day Saturday 2/18 and Monday 2/20. Go pick up as soon as your 240 hour period is over.

Sounds then like the 11 day wait is simply stated so people who don't know the law don't come in too soon demanding their firearm? Those "in the know" can get it on time, and those who don't, wait 16 more hours. I didn't know that; thanks.

SJgunguy24
02-18-2012, 12:37 AM
For everybody complaining about the 11 day policy of some shops I ask you to think about this.
Take everything important to you, whether it's your kids, your house, your guns, your cars, everything and put it on a raft at Niagara Falls. Now you only have 1 rope in which to tie this raft off. Who are you going to trust with tying that off? If one of your buddys ties it off but forgets that last half hitch, everything is gone. Even though you've set up a special procedure in which that raft with your kids on it is to be tied off. Someone forgot 1 little detail and now your kids are dead.
That's exactly what could happen if someone cuts a gun loose too early. They could very well have everything tied up in that shop and if they do not follow procedure, that could be it.
How much would you be willing to put on the line?

Merc1138
02-18-2012, 1:11 AM
For everybody complaining about the 11 day policy of some shops I ask you to think about this.
Take everything important to you, whether it's your kids, your house, your guns, your cars, everything and put it on a raft at Niagara Falls. Now you only have 1 rope in which to tie this raft off. Who are you going to trust with tying that off? If one of your buddys ties it off but forgets that last half hitch, everything is gone. Even though you've set up a special procedure in which that raft with your kids on it is to be tied off. Someone forgot 1 little detail and now your kids are dead.
That's exactly what could happen if someone cuts a gun loose too early. They could very well have everything tied up in that shop and if they do not follow procedure, that could be it.
How much would you be willing to put on the line?

They won't get it. We're talking about people who are complaining that shops aren't hiring top notch employees, and these are likely the same people who would complain if the shops started hiring employees demanding twice as much pay and the cost of the guns went up.

peter95
02-18-2012, 1:49 AM
I've done 15 days before so 12 isn't bad...

vliberatore
02-18-2012, 6:44 AM
I find this "Don't buy on the wrong day" thing silly. You can't go back in time and start the DROS process earlier, so if you start it on a "bad" day or the next day, you still recieve your firearm on the same day. I don't like the waiting period any more than anyone else, but if it bothers you that much, come out to Kansas. You can buy a gun and be out the door in under 20 minutes.

ahren111
02-18-2012, 7:00 AM
For everybody complaining about the 11 day policy of some shops I ask you to think about this.
Take everything important to you, whether it's your kids, your house, your guns, your cars, everything and put it on a raft at Niagara Falls. Now you only have 1 rope in which to tie this raft off. Who are you going to trust with tying that off? If one of your buddys ties it off but forgets that last half hitch, everything is gone. Even though you've set up a special procedure in which that raft with your kids on it is to be tied off. Someone forgot 1 little detail and now your kids are dead.
That's exactly what could happen if someone cuts a gun loose too early. They could very well have everything tied up in that shop and if they do not follow procedure, that could be it.
How much would you be willing to put on the line?

:rofl2::rofl2:

Now that's funny! Trusting someone to do simple elementary school math is not even close to trusting someone with your kids life's. So basically what you're saying is if I were to open a gun store I could be the only one to work there, I could never hire anyone because I don't trust anyone with my familys lives. You have to trust your workers with all your guns & to do all the other paperwork associated with buying a gun. Why can you trust him with this & not simple math? What if he forgets to check ID or something else stupid? Oh no now your kids are dead. This was great for a good laugh first thing in the morning thanks!

pacifico23
02-18-2012, 7:23 AM
This is the story of my gun purchases life. Every firearm I have purchased I have had to wait 12 days for.

BigBamBoo
02-18-2012, 7:56 AM
I posted a long time ago how I handle the 10 wait. And that is to keep a running DROS every 20 days. I know, I know....this is CalGuns home of the "how cheap can I be" and heaven forbid you spend $25 every 20 days...but with this way I never have to wait when buying a long gun except if I order it and it has to be shipped. Even then it is shorter then 10 days.

Now this only works with long arms and not handguns.

shark92651
02-18-2012, 8:31 AM
Sorry, OP but the premise of this thread is flawed. "Don't buy a gun on the wrong day" to avoid waiting more than 10 days. Ok, let's suppose my local gun shop is closed Sat & Sun and on Wed the 10th of the month I go into the shop to buy a gun. I look at the calendar and lo and behold, my earliest pickup day is on Saturday the 20th. If I buy today I have to wait until Monday the 22nd to pickup my gun - that is 12 days! Ok, I'll come back on Friday the 12th and buy it instead, then I can come in and pick it up on Monday the 22nd instead, uh, oh, wait a minute...

Unless your local gun store is open 7 days a week and doesn't observe any holidays there is always a chance you will have to wait more than 10 days to pick it up, but if you wait and come back later so that you can pick it up exactly 10 days later you have waited just as long from your initial impulse to buy so it's the same wait.

goodlookin1
02-18-2012, 9:29 AM
Dont confuse the OP with the facts!!!

In this situation, I place blame on both parties. OP should have known their hours and closing days and whatnot. SBR should learn how to count. Point is, either find a FFL dealer who supports your principles or learn to play the game and go in on Tuesday.

'nuff said.


For the record, I like SBR, but I really dont agree with the 11 day policy. As if us CA gun owners dont already have it bad enough....

Ubermcoupe
02-18-2012, 11:28 AM
:rofl2::rofl2:
For everybody complaining about the 11 day policy of some shops I ask you to think about this.
Take everything important to you, whether it's your kids, your house, your guns, your cars, everything and put it on a raft at Niagara Falls. Now you only have 1 rope in which to tie this raft off. Who are you going to trust with tying that off? If one of your buddys ties it off but forgets that last half hitch, everything is gone. Even though you've set up a special procedure in which that raft with your kids on it is to be tied off. Someone forgot 1 little detail and now your kids are dead.
That's exactly what could happen if someone cuts a gun loose too early. They could very well have everything tied up in that shop and if they do not follow procedure, that could be it.
How much would you be willing to put on the line?
... So basically what you're saying is if I were to open a gun store I could be the only one to work there, I could never hire anyone because I don't trust anyone with my familys lives. You have to trust your workers with all your guns & to do all the other paperwork associated with buying a gun. Why can you trust him with this & not simple math? What if he forgets to check ID or something else stupid? Oh no now your kids are dead. This was great for a good laugh first thing in the morning thanks!

Im with Ahren on this. An employee could accidentally cut the gun loose, the shop could get audited, and a meteor could fall from the sky crush one's car...

If one's employee can’t add 10 24 hour periods (I mean we do have 10 digits on our hands) how can one trust them to add sales tax, quote gunsmith work, properly ring in the price of a gun/magazine/accessory in the register???

I don’t see how this is so complicated.
The line is drawn in the law -240 hours.
If you cut lose the gun before the 240 hours your in trouble, if you cut it after your safe, but just too be sure we’ll tack on another 24 hours...??? You’ve got to be kidding me.

If one can’t trust their employees to do their jobs one either a) hires complete idiots or b) has trust issues.

I’ve picked up my gun on the 10th day, I’ve also picked it up on the 29th day - they do the same triple check process before they release the gun - I still don’t get how the 11th day is necessary “to be safe.”

That’s akin to the 11th round being “more dangerous” - so we should limit magazine capacity to 10 rds, you know, just to be safe... :facepalm:

Ubermcoupe
02-18-2012, 11:30 AM
For the record, I like SBR, but I really dont agree with the 11 day policy. As if us CA gun owners dont already have it bad enough....
QFT~!

Reconsnake
02-18-2012, 2:54 PM
Ubermcoupe- your business savy is almost as abundant as your patience. Unfortunately, your impatience and your continual argueing online about it will do neither of the following:

1) force or coerce a gun store owner to possibly risk everything he or she has worked for, to insure that your impatience will be catered to.

2) allow you to take off your blinders and see anyone else's point of view.

Back to you boosting your post count.

707electrician
02-18-2012, 3:00 PM
Ubermcoupe- your business savy is almost as abundant as your patience. Unfortunately, your impatience and your continual argueing online about it will do neither of the following:

1) force or coerce a gun store owner to possibly risk everything he or she has worked for, to insure that your impatience will be catered to.

2) allow you to take off your blinders and see anyone else's point of view.

Back to you boosting your post count.

Why do you guys keep thinking that the gun store is "risking everything" by following the law as written and giving you your gun right after the 240 hour period? That logic is right there with the antis claiming that gun laws stop gun crime

Merc1138
02-18-2012, 3:03 PM
Why do you guys keep thinking that the gun store is "risking everything" by following the law as written and giving you your gun right after the 240 hour period? That logic is right there with the antis claiming that gun laws stop gun crime

No one is saying that. People are pointing out the risk of an idiot employee handing over a gun EARLY.

chad68
02-18-2012, 3:42 PM
My trick is buy Monday, pick up following Friday morning.

As long as they're open on Mondays and Fridays, it works for both 10 and 11 day (Nazi) waits.

razorscs
02-18-2012, 4:55 PM
Gosh there is a lot of whining in here. How dare those store owners impose a rule at their own store that you can choose not to follow by simply shopping somewhere else, we should all picket their stores and tell them how we feel.

One slip up, one number written down wrong (pick up time), and an honest mistake by an employee could lead to the DOJ throwing down the hammer or the guns store. I don't see how so much whining could possibly revolve around such a stupid manner.

Merc1138
02-18-2012, 4:57 PM
Gosh there is a lot of whining in here. How dare those store owners impose a rule at their own store that you can choose not to follow by simply shopping somewhere else, we should all picket their stores and tell them how we feel.

One slip up, one number written down wrong (pick up time), and an honest mistake by an employee could lead to the DOJ throwing down the hammer or the guns store. I don't see how so much whining could possibly revolve around such a stupid manner.

Entitled whiners who fail to see the big picture and assume the store just wants to screw them over for the heck of it, as if they'd impose a wait(having to hang onto already sold inventory) if CA didn't make them hang into it for 240 hours already anyway.

SJgunguy24
02-18-2012, 5:18 PM
:rofl2::rofl2:

Now that's funny! Trusting someone to do simple elementary school math is not even close to trusting someone with your kids life's. So basically what you're saying is if I were to open a gun store I could be the only one to work there, I could never hire anyone because I don't trust anyone with my familys lives. You have to trust your workers with all your guns & to do all the other paperwork associated with buying a gun. Why can you trust him with this & not simple math? What if he forgets to check ID or something else stupid? Oh no now your kids are dead. This was great for a good laugh first thing in the morning thanks!

Nope, I never said you can't trust people you hire. Think of it as insurance against others whom may not grasp the reality that an FFL is a business license. If your willing to bet the livelyhood of your family on another person being able to read a clock then do it. 1 minute is all it takes to send your world and everything in it down the tubes. That's of course if your independantly wealthy and losing 100-500K is nothing to you is nothing, than this doesn't apply to you.

Sacramento Black Rifle
02-18-2012, 7:07 PM
We have a store policy to allow all pickups any time on the 11th day. The reason we do this is simple... It's a crime for us to release a gun, even on accident, one second earlier than the 240 hour required wait time. We're very busy and if we make that mistake, even one time, we could be fined, shutdown, arrested, or all of the above. It's much easier, and safer, for us to have the customer come in on the 11th day. For you, unfortunately your 11th day falls on a Sunday and we are closed. Right now that's the only day we're closed. Hopefully by this summer we'll be a 7 days a week shop. Which is rare for a gun store.

We have never turned a customer down if they came in after their 240hr wait.

Yes we are open on Mondays 10-6 Mon-Sat

Ubermcoupe
02-18-2012, 7:09 PM
Ubermcoupe- your business savy is almost as abundant as your patience. Unfortunately, your impatience and your continual argueing online about it will do neither of the following:

1) force or coerce a gun store owner to possibly risk everything he or she has worked for, to insure that your impatience will be catered to.

2) allow you to take off your blinders and see anyone else's point of view.

Back to you boosting your post count.

Wow, way to take it to a personal level. Unfortunately I could give 2 S about post count (is that all some of you ever think about?)

And what other point of view are you talking about? that 11 days is some how “safer” than the 10 days mandated by law? :facepalm:

Its not about forcing any FFL to do 10 days over 11, if they like 11 fine - I don’t shop there.

To say that 11 days is more “safe” to a GS than 10 is as erroneous as the 11th bullet being more deadly than 10 - its arbitrary and capricious.

Thanks, but no thanks RC.

Ubermcoupe
02-18-2012, 7:12 PM
We have never turned a customer down if they came in after their 240hr wait.


Thanks SBR! :)

seainc
02-18-2012, 7:22 PM
I like some of the gun shop that I have shopped by giving me a pick up sheet with time and date I'm allow to pickup written on it.

Now I'm on one hand gun per month backlog, that 720 hours wait has made me checking the calender very carefully.

Drivedabizness
02-18-2012, 8:03 PM
Gosh there is a lot of whining in here. How dare those store owners impose a rule at their own store that you can choose not to follow by simply shopping somewhere else, we should all picket their stores and tell them how we feel.

One slip up, one number written down wrong (pick up time), and an honest mistake by an employee could lead to the DOJ throwing down the hammer or the guns store. I don't see how so much whining could possibly revolve around such a stupid manner.

I'm the OP - if you think my post was whining you need a sandwich and a nap.

NLB23
02-18-2012, 8:22 PM
It's amazing to me to see so many people cry over a few hours lol. Having forum arguments between differant users cracks me up it's like days of our lives on here. Rather than cry about the extra hours go open the safe and finger all the other guns you probably rarely or never shoot.

ahren111
02-19-2012, 7:28 AM
Someone forgot 1 little detail and now your kids are dead.
That's exactly what could happen if someone cuts a gun loose too early.
How much would you be willing to put on the line?

Nope, I never said you can't trust people you hire. Think of it as insurance against others whom may not grasp the reality that an FFL is a business license. If your willing to bet the livelyhood of your family on another person being able to read a clock then do it. 1 minute is all it takes to send your world and everything in it down the tubes. That's of course if your independantly wealthy and losing 100-500K is nothing to you is nothing, than this doesn't apply to you.

Ya thats exactly what you said! I know kids dying & releasing a gun earily was a horrible analogy but i decided to go with it, you said it. Like I stated eariler I expect this from big chain stores like Big 5 or Bass Pro that have hundreds or thousands of idiots working for them. IMO a small shop with only a hand full of employees should be able to handle releasing on time. You're worried about seconds & minutes ok I see your point but why do you need a full day buffer? Why not go 241 or 242 hours allow yourself an extra hour or two so your world doesnt go down the tubes. Hummm another idea, everytime I've ever been to a gun shop there is always more than one person working there. Make it store policy to have two employees verify the time when a gun is sold. That would be like having two people check the knot so your kids dont go over the falls and die.

ahren111
02-19-2012, 7:38 AM
It's amazing to me to see so many people cry over a few hours lol. Having forum arguments between differant users cracks me up it's like days of our lives on here. Rather than cry about the extra hours go open the safe and finger all the other guns you probably rarely or never shoot.

You're right! In fact I think Kalifornia sould go to a 12 day wait period, 8 round mags & one hand gun every 45 days. Who cares right, screw it. Its only a couple of days & a couple of bullets.

Distro
02-19-2012, 2:14 PM
Best thing about analogies on the internet, you can guarantee that they are always terrible.

Merc1138
02-19-2012, 2:38 PM
You're right! In fact I think Kalifornia sould go to a 12 day wait period, 8 round mags & one hand gun every 45 days. Who cares right, screw it. Its only a couple of days & a couple of bullets.

Gun store policies have nothing to do with what CA mandates, other than setting a policy to avoid getting shut down. Do you seriously think that they want to hold onto inventory taking up space for 10, 11, 12, 13, or however many days after it's been sold? No. So stop associating the two. Apparently the concept of a business that the state government is absolutely hostile towards is difficult for some people to understand, as is the idea of someone investing their money and time to run such a business, that ultimately you don't have to shop at.

Shop elsewhere or quit complaining. At the very least put the blame on the state instead of sarcastically bashing the businesses as if they're going out of their way to try and screw you.

Reconsnake
02-19-2012, 7:47 PM
Gun store policies have nothing to do with what CA mandates, other than setting a policy to avoid getting shut down. Do you seriously think that they want to hold onto inventory taking up space for 10, 11, 12, 13, or however many days after it's been sold? No. So stop associating the two. Apparently the concept of a business that the state government is absolutely hostile towards is difficult for some people to understand, as is the idea of someone investing their money and time to run such a business, that ultimately you don't have to shop at.

Shop elsewhere or quit complaining. At the very least put the blame on the state instead of sarcastically bashing the businesses as if they're going out of their way to try and screw you.

Well said.

ahren111
02-19-2012, 9:23 PM
Gun store policies have nothing to do with what CA mandates, other than setting a policy to avoid getting shut down. Do you seriously think that they want to hold onto inventory taking up space for 10, 11, 12, 13, or however many days after it's been sold? No. So stop associating the two. Apparently the concept of a business that the state government is absolutely hostile towards is difficult for some people to understand, as is the idea of someone investing their money and time to run such a business, that ultimately you don't have to shop at.

Shop elsewhere or quit complaining. At the very least put the blame on the state instead of sarcastically bashing the businesses as if they're going out of their way to try and screw you.

So I dont know if you bothered to read my other post but as I said I understand why shops do it. Do I agree with it no not really. I feel there are other ways they could be safe besides holding for an extra day. Am I blaming the shop thinking they're screwing me, no its their choice. I mainly shop places that I can pick up on the 10th day. As far as my post about the 12 day wait, 8 round mags & 45 days I dont even feel like getting into it cause that one went way over your head :facepalm:

schonertod
02-19-2012, 11:31 PM
Shops who do the 11 days instead of 10 24 hour periods do it mostly because they dont want to have to deal with looking up the hours and mins to make sure they they are not releasing to soon and you can go ahead and try and pull the whole this is what the law says but most shops it clearly shows in the paper work you sign and they have signs on the wall saying they do 11 days. Its just a precaution to makes their lives easier either live with it or shop elsewhere.

roushstage2
02-19-2012, 11:49 PM
Shops who do the 11 days instead of 10 24 hour periods do it mostly because they dont want to have to deal with looking up the hours and mins to make sure they they are not releasing to soon and you can go ahead and try and pull the whole this is what the law says but most shops it clearly shows in the paper work you sign and they have signs on the wall saying they do 11 days. Its just a precaution to makes their lives easier either live with it or shop elsewhere.

The problem is that people either 1. don't get that or 2. will buy from a store with an 11 day wait (in which they signed the paper saying "OK" to that) and then complain about it later how they have to wait an extra day to go pick up their firearm.

The law says ten 24-hour periods. If you must have your firearm in your hands at the 240th hour, ask what the stores wait period is before you buy something from them. Don't buy and then complain later.

SBR has an eleven day wait, but there is no BS whether buying a firearm or simply asking to look at several. They will answer any questions and not treat you like you are ruining their day by being there. I'd rather wait an extra day and not be treated like crap throughout the process and have my questions answered than go to a bad store to get my gun a day earlier.

razorscs
02-21-2012, 12:23 PM
I'm the OP - if you think my post was whining you need a sandwich and a nap.

Well my post wasn't actually aimed at you whatsoever, rather the seeming rant towards gun stores that have 11th day pickup that others have turned this thread into, but now that I reread your original post I would say that you are equally guilty of whining, maybe even more. :nopity: That little smiley thing is very fitting.

Merc1138
02-21-2012, 12:37 PM
So I dont know if you bothered to read my other post but as I said I understand why shops do it. Do I agree with it no not really. I feel there are other ways they could be safe besides holding for an extra day. Am I blaming the shop thinking they're screwing me, no its their choice. I mainly shop places that I can pick up on the 10th day. As far as my post about the 12 day wait, 8 round mags & 45 days I dont even feel like getting into it cause that one went way over your head :facepalm:

If you understood the reasoning, then why complain and make silly statements about waiting extra days? I think you're the one that had things go over your head. If you don't like the store policy, shop elsewhere.

Rebellious
02-21-2012, 5:46 PM
...or they could hire people who can count to ten :p

Chan
02-21-2012, 5:53 PM
I broke my AR free from jail yesterday with the biggest smile on my face to only come home and realize I have no ammo or time to go to the range :mad:

Coded-Dude
02-21-2012, 6:16 PM
I am eating my words for chiding you guys over griping about 1 day; ordered my BP pistol on the 13th(site said 2 in stock), called on the 17th and they said it just arrived and would be shipping on the 20th(monday). checked today, still processing. :(

It's a little store in OH that has a website - they had the cheapest price and it said in stock....I was hoping to go shooting this weekend.