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Lead Waster
02-17-2012, 8:41 AM
I don't think they do, but I could be wrong.

Everyone says "Buy a Colt 1911, it's the original". Well, OK, Colt bought the patent from JMB, but that patent is long expired and everyone and their mother makes a 1911. Why doesn't the company that carries the Browning name?

NytWolf
02-17-2012, 8:54 AM
They do ... kinda, sorta (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=028B&catalog_=B). They probably don't make a 1911 out of respect (http://www.browning.com/library/infonews/detail.asp?id=301). But no, Browning turned into an importer company after John M. Browning died. To this day, they don't manufacture any of their products, but rather, they contract the work out and import the products. This can be found in the history and timeline (http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?ID=202).

Tee Why
02-17-2012, 8:55 AM
Looks like they make a 22lr version along with Hi Power and the Buck
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/finder.asp?bg=x

Far as I know, they seem more geared towards rifles than handguns so maybe that's why?

Lead Waster
02-17-2012, 9:52 AM
Well, yes I understand that Browning is big on shotguns, but as mentioned, they also make the Hipower and the Buckmark.

As for respect, I read that article. It doesn't indicate that Browning doesn't make one out of respect for ... Browning.

Oldnoob
02-17-2012, 10:48 AM
Well, yes I understand that Browning is big on shotguns, but as mentioned, they also make the Hipower and the Buckmark.

As for respect, I read that article. It doesn't indicate that Browning doesn't make one out of respect for ... Browning.

Browning never made Hi Power. FN does.

hayaku
02-17-2012, 10:51 AM
why enter an over saturated market space and compete against custom shops that have the manpower to produce higher quality then their mass production type factories?

Chaos47
02-17-2012, 10:55 AM
Browning never made Hi Power. FN does.

Uh fail.
Browning does make a Hi Power...
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/images/images-by-title-name/Hi-Power-Standard-MID-051003-x1l.jpg

In fact they have 2 models
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=001&bg=x
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=003&bg=x

There is also many other people making clones. FM, FEG, Kassner, KBI, Charles Daily

keenkeen
02-17-2012, 10:58 AM
why enter an over saturated market space and compete against custom shops that have the manpower to produce higher quality then their mass production type factories?

Ruger seems like they are doing OK with their entry into the "over saturated" 1911 market space and their "mass production type factories" are backordered by about 80k units on the SR1911 as of today.

There are many reasons for Browning not to produce a 1911...these two are just not on that list.

:)

keenkeen
02-17-2012, 11:02 AM
Uh fail.
Browning does make a Hi Power...

In fact they have 2 models
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=001&bg=x
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=003&bg=x

There is also many other people making clones. FM, FEG, Kassner, KBI, Charles Daily

Uh fail...those are made by FN...

Before you start poping off about "fail" you may want to know what you are talking about.

Just saying...
:chris:

Chaos47
02-17-2012, 11:19 AM
Yes they are made by FN, under contract of Browning.
My point is there are Browning marked Hipowers

Are you going to say that there are no Colt (or pretty much any other brand) AR-15's because they themselves didn't make the forgings?

keenkeen
02-17-2012, 11:22 AM
Yes they are made by FN, under contract of Browning.
My point is there are Browning marked Hipowers

Are you going to say that there are no Colt AR-15's because they themselves didn't make the forgings?

Agreed...They are made by FN and marked as Browning.

Oldnoob
02-17-2012, 11:48 AM
Uh fail.
Browning does make a Hi Power...
In fact they have 2 models
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=001&bg=x
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=003&bg=x

There is also many other people making clones. FM, FEG, Kassner, KBI, Charles Daily

Yes they are made by FN, under contract of Browning.
My point is there are Browning marked Hipowers

Are you going to say that there are no Colt (or pretty much any other brand) AR-15's because they themselves didn't make the forgings?

Lol, love that internet google image. Again, Browing does not "make" Hi Power, nor do they contract FN to make HP for them. As matter of fact, FN hire Browing as importer for their HPs. J. Browing designed P35 for FN (like he did for Colt), he passed away before he finish the disign and FN hired Dieudonné Saive to finsh.

Here is my 1975 C series Browing Hi Power.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/BHP.jpg
Been a Hi Power fan for a while now.

Chaos47
02-17-2012, 12:00 PM
Lol, love that internet google image. Again, Browing does not "make" Hi Power, nor do they contract FN to make HP for them. As matter of fact, FN hire Browing as importer for their HPs. J. Browing designed P35 for FN (like he did for Colt), he passed away before he finish the disign and FN hired Dieudonné Saive to finsh.

Here is my 1975 C series Browing Hi Power.
Been a Hi Power fan for a while now.

Who are you going to send a Browning marked HP to? Browning or FN?

The images from Browning's website not google.
FN doesn't "hire" Browning to import. FN owns the majority of Browning... (Correction apparently they completely own it now)

Browning was the chief weapons designer at FN, and Dieudonné Saive was his assistant.
FN didn't hire him after Browning's death to finish it, he was already working on it.

We are really splitting hairs at this point... are we going to keep bickering on the small poor word choices of each other or get back on topic?

a1c
02-17-2012, 12:20 PM
Looks like they make a 22lr version along with Hi Power and the Buck
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/finder.asp?bg=x

Far as I know, they seem more geared towards rifles than handguns so maybe that's why?

It probably all comes down to finding the right partner.

This 1911-style .22LR is manufactured by Arms Technologies in Utah, which also makes the Buckmark models. I don't know what that company's expertise is with "centerfire" 1911s. Maybe they don't have any. Or maybe they do, but have an exclusive contract with some other company. Or maybe they don't, and the .22LR was a trial balloon to test the market, and they are working on a .45ACP and/or 9mm Browning-branded 1911. Maybe they're waiting to see how Ruger does with theirs, and evaluating the market as a whole.

Browning's website has a short history and list of their manufacturers, which are located in Belgium, Portugal, Japan and in the US:
http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=90

Oldnoob
02-17-2012, 12:38 PM
Who are you going to send a Browning marked HP to? Browning or FN?

The images from Browning's website not google.
FN doesn't "hire" Browning to import. FN owns the majority of Browning... (Correction apparently they completely own it now)

Browning was the chief weapons designer at FN, and Dieudonné Saive was his assistant.
FN didn't hire him after Browning's death to finish it, he was already working on it.

We are really splitting hairs at this point... are we going to keep bickering on the small poor word choices of each other or get back on topic?

As my intention from my first post and every post since was meant to let OP know, Browning did not manufactured HP. Therefore they may not have the ability to make their own 1911. And since FN is not in US they might not be interest in 1911 market.

Browning 1911-22, again, was not made by browning. I'm very interesting to own one thought.

Chaos47
02-17-2012, 1:16 PM
As my intention from my first post and every post since was meant to let OP know, Browning did not manufactured HP. Therefore they may not have the ability to make their own 1911. And since FN is not in US they might not be interest in 1911 market.

Browning 1911-22, again, was not made by browning. I'm very interesting to own one thought.

That's fine but you are saying things that are simply not true.

BTW FN does in fact have two US branches
http://www.fnmfg.com/
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/

Oldnoob
02-17-2012, 2:37 PM
That's fine but you are saying things that are simply not true.

BTW FN does in fact have two US branches
http://www.fnmfg.com/
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/

We can simply call it a difference in opinion. I do not wish this thread turn into Youtube comments battle.

Hi Power is my favorite 9mm pistol and it's one fine gun. I'll have my hand on a T series soon enough.

Lead Waster
02-17-2012, 2:48 PM
Interesting! I had thought Browning made all those pistols/shotguns, but I guess they are more like an importer/distributor.

Reminds me of how "Craftsman" tools are simply branded Craftsman!

a1c
02-17-2012, 2:56 PM
Interesting! I had thought Browning made all those pistols/shotguns, but I guess they are more like an importer/distributor.

Reminds me of how "Craftsman" tools are simply branded Craftsman!

Not exactly. That would be like saying GM is not a car manufacturer, simply because most parts are manufactured by Isuzu and others. Or that Apple is just an importer/distributor because Foxconn manufactures their iPods, iPads and MacBooks.

They don't just put their stamps on those products. They design them, then find manufacturers to build those guns according to their specs.

Sunday
02-17-2012, 4:07 PM
Does Browning actually make anything?

toby
02-17-2012, 4:11 PM
Does Browning actually make anything?

I would be willing to bet that most all of Brownings products are all rebaged. with an exception to the High power,Buck mark and a couple Shotguns. But it is all good stuff!

Sunday
02-17-2012, 4:22 PM
I should have posted I doubt Browning actually manufactures anything.

razr
02-17-2012, 4:38 PM
Why? just to add to the list of guns we wanted but couldn't own in Ca.

morrcarr67
02-19-2012, 7:46 AM
I wanted to post this before but I was out of town and didn't have access to the info.

Last year Browning did offer 201 1911's in .45ACP for sale.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=379062

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=388373

The first set went for over $24K and the other 200 had a list price of only $4669. But I doubt you could touch one of those sets for that price.

EDIT

I am wrong. I just checked GB and this one has a starting price just over $3900 with no reserve.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=273385739

Steve1968LS2
02-19-2012, 8:06 AM
Uh fail.
Browning does make a Hi Power...

In fact they have 2 models
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=001&bg=x
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=003&bg=x

There is also many other people making clones. FM, FEG, Kassner, KBI, Charles Daily

Browing imports the gun.. it's made by FN in Belgium or made in Belgium and assembled in Portugal.. I have one right in front of me.

So your "FAIL" was more you than the other guy ;)

littlejake
02-19-2012, 8:48 AM
One needs to look at the history of the Browning Hi-Power. Fabrique Nationale commissioned JMB to design their new pistol. Historically BHP's were made by FN -- the name Browning was attached to it to honor the designer, JMB.

Heiko
02-20-2012, 12:19 AM
Funny this thread popped up since I just DROS'd a Browning FN Hi Power on Saturday. It is a 1984 manufacture ("245PW" serial) and is in immaculate condition. I believe that it has less than 50 rounds through it. Sorry for the crappy phone pic but I wanted to snap a quick one before it went away for 10 days. It has "Made in Belguim" and "By Fabrique Nationale Herstal" on the slide. :43:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd280/PNG_x5world/BrowningFNHP.jpg

gunsnrovers
02-20-2012, 6:10 AM
Browning markets some very nice firearms.

Model94Guy
02-20-2012, 7:07 AM
You can blame this entire thread on Olin Winchester, Browning wanted royalties for his designs and Winchester wanted to purchase each design for a flat price, hence Browning's move to F.N.!! (For what's worth)

Andy Taylor
02-20-2012, 7:30 AM
I don't think they do, but I could be wrong.

Everyone says "Buy a Colt 1911, it's the original". Well, OK, Colt bought the patent from JMB, but that patent is long expired and everyone and their mother makes a 1911. Why doesn't the company that carries the Browning name?

Because Browning doesn't MAKE anything. They contract to manufacturers and have their name put on products that other companies make.
As to why they don't do this with a 1911, they probably just haven't found the right partner to make one for them, if they are even looking. It is only in the last decade or so that 1911s have come out under so many brand names. It used to be that Colt was the only real 1911. Springfield was THE copy. There were a few other "also rans"