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Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 8:50 PM
The only real downside to .40S&W that I can see is cost.

Better performance than 9mm (even if it is marginal, and secondary to shot placement), close in performance to .45ACP, and widely common (although not as common than 9mm)

The biggest complaint I hear about 40S&W is it's snappiness/recoil.

I can attest that in my pistol, recoil is about as much as any other plastic 9mm pistol out there.

Why so much .40 hate?

gant
02-16-2012, 8:52 PM
beats me ive shot a .40 and didnt feel as bad as ppl said it would be, i want a .40 the cost is right betwen 9 and 45

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 8:54 PM
i guess in a free state with new pistols, firepower is an issue. But for us, we're pretty much stuck at 10 rounds with newly designed pistols anyway.

thefinger
02-16-2012, 8:56 PM
I know a lot of guys that love 40S&W. I think there is way more 9mm hate out there than 40S&W hate.

Personally, I like 9mm and 45ACP for civilian use. I see 40S&W as shining more in LEO use.

j.hors
02-16-2012, 9:03 PM
Beats me, I shot a 9mm in the Navy and it was ok. My first gun was a Springfield XD40 and i love it. i guess that i have shot it so much that the "snap" doesnt even phase me anymore. I think it depends on the gun itself more then the caliber. My dad has a Hi-Point 40 and he shot his then mine and said mine was niceer to shoot. So to sum up that long drawn out message I think that snap depends on the maker.

trashman
02-16-2012, 9:04 PM
Speaking as a 10mm fan, I'm irked that the .40S&W was born out of the need to reduce the power of the 10mm for FBI field agents. (Did you know that the MP5 was chambered in 10mm for the FBI at one point?..)

Both the 9mm and .45ACP have a long and colorful history -- the .40S&W will too, but its birth came about purely because the 10mm had "too much awesome".

--Neill

keenkeen
02-16-2012, 9:10 PM
I shoot what I want...

45acp, 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 Super, 9x23, 38 mid-range...whatever.

Never really noticed any "hate" for one vs. any of the others.

Guess it could just be that I don't give a squirt what the "gun shop know it all's", "mall ninjas", and want to be "Operators" who still live in their mommy's basement are squeaking about on the subject.

Shoot what you have/want...

Ub3rDorK
02-16-2012, 9:11 PM
I don't think i've ever seen a "i hate .40 cal" post...

Troll much?

jeffrice6
02-16-2012, 9:14 PM
No hate, but many more KB stories related to the .40

chim-chim7
02-16-2012, 9:18 PM
Again? Yawn.

kayaker
02-16-2012, 9:19 PM
No hate, but many more KB stories related to the .40

Ever have one Kaboom on you? ::rolleyes:

lgdpt
02-16-2012, 9:24 PM
I shoot what I want...

45acp, 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 Super, 9x23, 38 mid-range...whatever.

Never really noticed any "hate" for one vs. any of the others.

Guess it could just be that I don't give a squirt what the "gun shop know it all's", "mall ninjas", and want to be "Operators" who still live in their mommy's basement are squeaking about on the subject.

Shoot what you have/want...

I agree!

romeo26
02-16-2012, 9:28 PM
what snap? feels like nothing coming out of a Sig p226r.

LoadedM333
02-16-2012, 9:30 PM
IMHO, it's a very effective defensive round and love my Sig P229 W. Germany.

Oldnoob
02-16-2012, 9:31 PM
I'm a fan of 40s&w. Just drop an G27 last weekend.

osxgp
02-16-2012, 9:32 PM
I'm not familiar with the .40 S&W dislikes. I know that I enjoy shooting 9mm due to the cost compared to the larger calibers but that could be said about shooting .22lr compared to 9mm also. Most of my hadguns are in .40 S&W and I have faith in the cartridge. The 9mm is used throughout the world so you will see most guns made for 9mm before the .40 S&W or .45acp. 9mm is especially popular in European markets because it is a NATO round. All in all, the .40 S&W is a great cartridge to fill the gap between the 9mm and .45acp in my opinion.

I enjoy post like this as long as it doesn't bring up the endless "stopping power" debate.:facepalm:

ramathorn
02-16-2012, 9:39 PM
My first pistol was a .40 and because of that its become my primary pistol round. Not as pricey as .45 and more umph than 9mm. It is snappy but its what i've grown accustomed to so i don't mind. Plenty of knock down power. :cool:

Baja Jones
02-16-2012, 9:40 PM
I shoot Glock pistols, 9mm, 40 cal and 45 ACP. My quick second round accuracy is way better with the 17 than the 22 but the 30 is better than the 22 as well. I thought it was me and had friends do the comparison as well. Everyone is a better second shot with the non 40 cals. Is there some kind of super poop in 40 cal rounds that causes more severe muzzle flip? Does not make sense to me. Not bashing the 40 love to shoot em all and glad I was borne where I can!

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 9:40 PM
There are other forums out there (i won't name them) where basically, people call you dumb for going with a .40 "short and weak" because it's not much better than 9mm, costs 50% more, but isn't as good as .45ACP.

It's claimed to be the answer to a question nobody asked, and is a round designed for weakling FBI girls.

That's the general negativity I'm speaking of.

ELIXIR
02-16-2012, 9:47 PM
I have a 229 in .40 and I love it. Love the kick, the power. Its my go to pistol.

trashman
02-16-2012, 9:56 PM
There are other forums out there (i won't name them) where basically, people call you dumb for going with a .40 "short and weak" because it's not much better than 9mm, costs 50% more, but isn't as good as .45ACP.

It's claimed to be the answer to a question nobody asked, and is a round designed for weakling FBI girls.

That's the general negativity I'm speaking of.

So in a general sense you've answered your own question -- the issue isn't that the round is problematic from a performance/technical perspective -- let's review:



it's commercially very successful
widely accepted and used in LEO organizations
existing full-size 9mm handguns can be (and have been) easily redesigned to accommodate it; only tradeoff is overall capacity

...in other words, the issue is that people (like this jackwad (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=8054453&postcount=6)) like to sit around and complain that it doesn't meet their historical or puritanical standards.

--Neill

drifter2be
02-16-2012, 10:02 PM
There are other forums out there (i won't name them) where basically, people call you dumb for going with a .40 "short and weak" because it's not much better than 9mm, costs 50% more, but isn't as good as .45ACP.

It's claimed to be the answer to a question nobody asked, and is a round designed for weakling FBI girls.

That's the general negativity I'm speaking of.

What forum is it? I need to sign up, lines right up with my opinions. ;)

Turo
02-16-2012, 10:04 PM
I don't think i've ever seen a "i hate .40 cal" post...

Troll much?

I don't see them online much either, but I've literally had dozens of people tell me how horrible the .40 is and how it's going to just bounce off of someone or blow me up, or other bullcrap like that.

My theory is that the people who won't adopt the internet or other "new fangled" things generally won't adopt anything but the .45 or 9mm either and then they spew negative things about the .40 to make themselves feel better.

RUSSIAN
02-16-2012, 10:05 PM
There are other forums out there (i won't name them) where basically, people call you dumb for going with a .40 "short and weak" because it's not much better than 9mm, costs 50% more, but isn't as good as .45ACP.

It's claimed to be the answer to a question nobody asked, and is a round designed for weakling FBI girls.

That's the general negativity I'm speaking of.


I've seen a lot of hate for the .40 also, probably from the same website;) but some on here also

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 10:06 PM
I've seen a lot of hate for the .40 also, probably from the same website;) but some on here also

yeah, it's nOT uncommon.

;)

Lumpia is sarap!
02-16-2012, 10:10 PM
It's the curse of the .40 S&W....Short & Weak.

It's the 10mm red headed step-child.

five.five-six
02-16-2012, 10:10 PM
I don't think i've ever seen a "i hate .40 cal" post...

Troll much?

I H8 .40 S&W

DannyInSoCal
02-16-2012, 10:12 PM
Twice the recoil of 9mm with 10% more energy -

No thanks.

I prefer my sidearms in .50GI, and .30 Carbine...

:43:

Ub3rDorK
02-16-2012, 10:12 PM
im a cheap bastard when i go to the range sometimes....i prefer 9mm because when it comes down to how many cents per round i pull the trigger at a paper target for....it makes a difference to me.

I will eventually have a .40 because i probably have 5000+ pieces of brass for .40 and a TON of Winchester "ranger" .40 ammo that just sits there because it gets handed to me. but in the mean time my .357 mag and 9mm will do just fine. I dont have a problem with shooting a bunch of .357 because its in a revolver and i can easily control my brass after its shot so i can reload it...haha

hyperion.excal
02-16-2012, 10:12 PM
40SW is a great round. Snappiness is easy to deal with as long as you train.

Most of the people who complain about the 40 being snappy are mostly 9mm fans that are used to firing low recoil rounds and the 40 happens take them out of their comfort zone. No offense :D

Ub3rDorK
02-16-2012, 10:13 PM
I H8 .40 S&W

haha that should be a bumper sticker.

Lumpia is sarap!
02-16-2012, 10:18 PM
Some cannot handle the snap.

PositiveInfluence
02-16-2012, 10:19 PM
Feels fine coming out of my Beretta 96.

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 10:20 PM
im a cheap bastard when i go to the range sometimes....i prefer 9mm because when it comes down to how many cents per round i pull the trigger at a paper target for....it makes a difference to me.

I will eventually have a .40 because i probably have 5000+ pieces of brass for .40 and a TON of Winchester "ranger" .40 ammo that just sits there because it gets handed to me. but in the mean time my .357 mag and 9mm will do just fine. I dont have a problem with shooting a bunch of .357 because its in a revolver and i can easily control my brass after its shot so i can reload it...haha

right, i think the cost is the most legitimate factor in disliking the round.

For a time, I regretted getting the SR40C instead of the 9C because of this, since ALL 3 of these common handgun rounds are equally (in)effective.

Capybara
02-16-2012, 10:21 PM
I have no hate for the .40 S&W. Shot my friend's XD in .40 up at his place, I thought it was fine. I own a 9mm and a .45 ACP, perhaps I will order a .40 S&W for my next centerfire handgun?

Dan

831Shooter
02-16-2012, 10:25 PM
There are other forums out there (i won't name them) where basically, people call you dumb for going with a .40 "short and weak" because it's not much better than 9mm, costs 50% more, but isn't as good as .45ACP.

It's claimed to be the answer to a question nobody asked, and is a round designed for weakling FBI girls.

That's the general negativity I'm speaking of.

I haven't seen the 40 hate.. but then again, I couldn't care less what some internet warriors think about my caliber choice. Maybe I ignore it.

I love my XD40 sub-compact!. As a self defense round I will take the .40S&W any day of the week.

1. I disagree that it is "not much better than 9mm", though I have no problem with 9mm.

2. 50% more..? Really? I don't find that at all. Maybe 10% more.. Just checked some prices. Picked Cabelas (whom I don't buy ammo from) as they are a major retailer. Winchester PDX1 - 9mm - $21.99, .40S&W $23.99. 9% more.

Does the .40S&W have some snap in the recoil. Sure.. Definitely more than the 9mm. But the degree of that is dependent on the gun of course. Even with my XD40 subcompact the recoil is entirely manageable. If you are using a gun for self defense you should be VERY comfortable with that gun, which means shooting it a lot. If you put a little time in with the .40 the recoil becomes a non issue for real life defensive use.

Now given all that. If I am out somewhere for a long, full day of shooting, I will probably end up shooting 20% .40S&W and 80% 9mm. To me the cost issue is insignificant. But if I'm just shooting for fun I would rather throw 300-500 9mm rounds down range than .40S&W.

All in all, in CA with our 10 round limit, I am VERY comfortable with my decision to use .40S&W for my go to self defense handgun.

YMMV

Ub3rDorK
02-16-2012, 10:27 PM
My first handgun was a .40. I was a cheap *** and bought a S&W SW40VE and immediately sold it for an XD after firing about 500 rounds through it.

My friends at the time made fun of me for wanting the XD in 9mm because it was a "sissy" round. Yet they were the ones that couldn't double tap a steel target at 20 yards.....just sayin'

:hide:

Ub3rDorK
02-16-2012, 10:27 PM
My first handgun was a .40. I was a cheap *** and bought a S&W SW40VE and immediately sold it for an XD after firing about 500 rounds through it.

My friends at the time made fun of me for wanting the XD in 9mm because it was a "sissy" round. Yet they were the ones that couldn't double tap a steel target at 20 yards.....just sayin'

:hide:

Hachi6
02-16-2012, 10:28 PM
I don't mind the .40 snappyness at all, feels fine in my sigma.

Hachi6
02-16-2012, 10:30 PM
My first handgun was a .40. I was a cheap *** and bought a S&W SW40VE and immediately sold it for an XD after firing about 500 rounds through it.

:hide:

No love for the sigma??;)

bikr4jc
02-16-2012, 10:30 PM
So in a general sense you've answered your own question -- the issue isn't that the round is problematic from a performance/technical perspective -- let's review:



it's commercially very successful
widely accepted and used in LEO organizations
existing full-size 9mm handguns can be (and have been) easily redesigned to accommodate it; only tradeoff is overall capacity

...in other words, the issue is that people (like this jackwad (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=8054453&postcount=6)) like to sit around and complain that it doesn't meet their historical or puritanical standards.

--Neill

I see what you did there.... :laugh::willy_nilly:

Blackhawk556
02-16-2012, 10:33 PM
Speaking as a 10mm fan, I'm irked that the .40S&W was born out of the need to reduce the power of the 10mm for FBI field agents. (Did you know that the MP5 was chambered in 10mm for the FBI at one point?..)

Both the 9mm and .45ACP have a long and colorful history -- the .40S&W will too, but its birth came about purely because the 10mm had "too much awesome".

--Neill

I thought 10mm was canned because it offered too little capacity?

Sent from Los Alamos Nuclear Facility

Ub3rDorK
02-16-2012, 10:34 PM
No love for the sigma??;)

sorry no, its not a bad gun....i just hated it compared to others i've shot for not much more. I wish i did more research when buying my first pistol....I Didnt mean to put it on blast. My bad.

RCJeeper
02-16-2012, 10:37 PM
A lot cheaper than a 45. More effective than a 9. What's not to love?

As for snappiness, I'm all for it.

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 10:37 PM
I haven't seen the 40 hate.. but then again, I couldn't care less what some internet warriors think about my caliber choice. Maybe I ignore it.

I love my XD40 sub-compact!. As a self defense round I will take the .40S&W any day of the week.

1. I disagree that it is "not much better than 9mm", though I have no problem with 9mm.

2. 50% more..? Really? I don't find that at all. Maybe 10% more.. Just checked some prices. Picked Cabelas (whom I don't buy ammo from) as they are a major retailer. Winchester PDX1 - 9mm - $21.99, .40S&W $23.99. 9% more.

Does the .40S&W have some snap in the recoil. Sure.. Definitely more than the 9mm. But the degree of that is dependent on the gun of course. Even with my XD40 subcompact the recoil is entirely manageable. If you are using a gun for self defense you should be VERY comfortable with that gun, which means shooting it a lot. If you put a little time in with the .40 the recoil becomes a non issue for real life defensive use.

Now given all that. If I am out somewhere for a long, full day of shooting, I will probably end up shooting 20% .40S&W and 80% 9mm. To me the cost issue is insignificant. But if I'm just shooting for fun I would rather throw 300-500 9mm rounds down range than .40S&W.

All in all, in CA with our 10 round limit, I am VERY comfortable with my decision to use .40S&W for my go to self defense handgun.

YMMV

50% might be pushing it...but its definitely in the 30-40% more range.

Consider the cheapest factory ammo i can get is federal champion from walmart....9mm is about $19 for 100 and .40s&w is about $26 for 100. $7 more which is 7/19 = 37% increase in cost.

hyperion.excal
02-16-2012, 10:44 PM
50% might be pushing it...but its definitely in the 30-40% more range.

Consider the cheapest factory ammo i can get is federal champion from walmart....9mm is about $19 for 100 and .40s&w is about $26 for 100. $7 more which is 7/19 = 37% increase in cost.

So what is the point?

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 10:47 PM
So what is the point?

The point is that it's 37 percent more expensive than 9mm.

hefedehefe
02-16-2012, 10:47 PM
I think the .40 is more fun to shoot :hide:, so I've been practicing with it allot more than the 9. I think by now I am just as good with the .40, but I continue to shoot more .40 and will continue to get better with it because to me, it's more fun to shoot

jeffrice6
02-16-2012, 10:52 PM
Ever have one Kaboom on you? ::rolleyes:

Absolutely not... Hence "stories"
Still have my beloved first pistol, a 96 centurion my sorely missed grandfather gave my on the day of my HS graduation....

hung380
02-16-2012, 10:55 PM
.40 s&w makes nice round holes in paper targets:) 9mm, 40 s&w, .45. I love them all. Imagine if all pistols were chambered in 9mm... what fun would that be?:)

hyperion.excal
02-16-2012, 10:57 PM
The point is that it's 37 percent more expensive than 9mm.

Well DUH.

Ofcourse the 40SW is going to be more expensive than the 9mm.

40 is a bigger cartridge
40 uses more powder
40 uses bigger projectile
40 is is more power

You are again comparing the price of the 9mm to a 40SW. For all the 40SW can offer the cost to me is well justified.

Solid Foundation
02-16-2012, 11:03 PM
I've heard of the kb stories with the 40 but never experienced it myself.

My first gun was a Glock 23, all my training is in 40, and I shoot better in 40 than 9.
I love the caliber!

Mossy Man
02-16-2012, 11:08 PM
Well DUH.

Ofcourse the 40SW is going to be more expensive than the 9mm.

40 is a bigger cartridge
40 uses more powder
40 uses bigger projectile
40 is is more power

You are again comparing the price of the 9mm to a 40SW. For all the 40SW can offer the cost to me is well justified.

I'm not really disagreeing with you at all. I was just going over some of the arguments that may support that 9mm might be better. I'm not saying I subscribe to them but the cost argument is probably the only real convincing to me.

And we've all seen that same image from m 4 carbine.net. they all pretty much get the job done.

Hachi6
02-17-2012, 12:28 AM
sorry no, its not a bad gun....i just hated it compared to others i've shot for not much more. I wish i did more research when buying my first pistol....I Didnt mean to put it on blast. My bad.

It's ok I'm in the same boat as you. It was my first pistol also. I guess my standards started out low cause every other pistol I have shot feels way better.

Vampyredark
02-17-2012, 12:42 AM
Hey if anyone is hating their Smith and Wesson Sigma .40 and wants to trade for a 4 piece Shure Drum mic kit, let me know.

Heres a link with a picture of the mic set and information: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=536614

Or ill consider a Hi-Point with some cash.

So, now we will see if there really is haters of the .40 caliber, which will benefit me.

hyperion.excal
02-17-2012, 12:53 AM
Hey if anyone is hating their Smith and Wesson Sigma .40 and wants to trade for a 4 piece Shure Drum mic kit, let me know.

Heres a link with a picture of the mic set and information: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=536614

Or ill consider a Hi-Point with some cash.

So, now we will see if there really is haters of the .40 caliber, which will benefit me.

:p way to make the 40 HATERS come out. :rofl:

Vampyredark
02-17-2012, 1:09 AM
:p way to make the 40 HATERS come out. :rofl:

Ha! Yeah, well I kind of need a 40 caliber. I dont care if 40 caliber is lame or whatever - A bullet is a bullet, is a bullet.

hyperion.excal
02-17-2012, 1:21 AM
Ha! Yeah, well I kind of need a 40 caliber. I dont care if 40 caliber is lame or whatever - A bullet is a bullet, is a bullet.

Good luck to you. 40SW is a great round. All my handguns are chambered in 40 never had any issues with this caliber. i love the round its my SD/HD and go to war ammo :2guns:

Turo
02-17-2012, 2:02 AM
I thought 10mm was canned because it offered too little capacity?

Sent from Los Alamos Nuclear Facility

10mm and .40S&W have the exact same magazine capacity, because the outer dimensions of the case are exactly the same except that the .40 case is a little shorter in length.

The 10mm was not accepted for use by the FBI because the FBI complained that at full power, the recoil was too much and the guns were too big to hold for smaller officers. The FBI asked for a lighter load, S&W came out with a 10mm load that was equivalent to .40 currently used, they shortened the case, and it became the .40S&W.

stix213
02-17-2012, 2:52 AM
The only problem with .40S&W that I'm aware of is that I don't have one yet. Everything else is BS.

Some people need to justify their purchases by ridiculing the choices of others, while purposely ignoring the good things about other options. While a little fun, if you are serious then I think you're just being an idiot.

MrExel17
02-17-2012, 3:24 AM
Wait hold on....:lurk5: okay continue the discussion.

Mossy Man
02-17-2012, 6:30 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm really digging my sr 40 c. It's a real pleasure to shoot it's a real pleasure to handle and I just plain like it. It's just that when people ask me what caliber I'm shooting, and I tell them its a .40, i get "oh........a .40" and a some what smug expression.

hyperion.excal
02-17-2012, 7:08 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm really digging my sr 40 c. It's a real pleasure to shoot it's a real pleasure to handle and I just plain like it. It's just that when people ask me what caliber I'm shooting, and I tell them its a .40, i get "oh........a .40" and a some what smug expression.


I know a few people who dislike the 40 that actually never fired the round before. The explanation was "everyone says the 40 is snappy". Its pure ignorance

Just shoot what you feel is best. Dont mind the smug expression they give you. They are either just jealous or they knew that their 9mm is underpowered :rolleyes:

NiMiK
02-17-2012, 7:10 AM
It's the curse of the .40 S&W....Short & Weak.

It's the 10mm red headed step-child.

I love red heads :43:

My wife has no complaints when shooting my glock 22 and m&p40.

cineski
02-17-2012, 7:34 AM
When the ammo crisis hit, I saw more 40S&W than any other round. That almost made me want to buy into 40. In a real SHTF situation, I can shoot 40 out of my 10mm.

NytWolf
02-17-2012, 8:38 AM
Speaking as a 10mm fan, I'm irked that the .40S&W was born out of the need to reduce the power of the 10mm for FBI field agents. (Did you know that the MP5 was chambered in 10mm for the FBI at one point?..)

Both the 9mm and .45ACP have a long and colorful history -- the .40S&W will too, but its birth came about purely because the 10mm had "too much awesome".

--Neill

Know what's funny ... I grew to love the 40S&W and thought there was something missing from it even before I learned about the 10mm. I grew to love the 10mm even before I learned that the 40S&W was derived from it. Now I love the 10mm even more.

Capybara
02-17-2012, 8:48 AM
Most people tend to get very jingoistic about whatever they have bought. I am the opposite, I own a Nikon D300 AND a Canon 5D MKII because they are both good cameras. I own a Chevy truck and a Honda CR-V because they are both good for what I need them for. I own a cheap Ruger 9mm P95 because it was cheap, reliable, fairly accurate and the ammo costs nothing. I own a Springfield 1911-A1 because it is a legendary gun that helped to save the world during the world wars and I like the big, fat, slow bullet.

Can't understand why people have to buy something, then draw an insecure line in the sand and say that everything on the other side of this arbitrary line sucks. It is insecurity personified.

Dan

a1c
02-17-2012, 8:52 AM
I'm a fan of 9mm, .40S&W, and 10mm.

Mossy Man
02-17-2012, 9:44 AM
I have 9mm, .357 mag, .40s&w, .45 winmag, and .22lr handguns. I like all of these calibers.

Of those, i shoot 9mm and .40s&w the most. Don't shoot the .357 mag mostly because of cost, the .45 winmag because of availability, or the .22 because i like my rifle more.

Lately I've been exclusively shooting the .40 because it's new. First .40 I've owned.

Noticed the negative bias lately, is all.

JaeOne3345
02-17-2012, 9:47 AM
40 hate?

I think the best thing you can do is not listen to any caliber "experts" who talk out of their asses on the internet.

Do that and you will be just fine.

HighLander51
02-17-2012, 9:53 AM
40 hate?

I think the best thing you can do is not listen to any caliber "experts" who talk out of their asses on the internet.

Do that and you will be just fine.

Yea, must be why the 40S&W is the most common caliber used to make major in USPSA............ And it all started way back when the G22 first came out, a low cost, super reliable, high capacity Limited Major gun.

You got 2 kinds of shooters, they kind that talk, and the kind that compete.

Lead Waster
02-17-2012, 9:59 AM
As a positive, whenever there is a run on ammo (ie every election year) the only thing left of the shelf is .40 S&W.

As a negative, when picking up range brass, you tend to get a lot of .40's mixed with your 9mms. So then you take it home and sure enough there are bunches of 9mm cases spooning with .40 SW. If they make it into your tumbler like that, they get stuck as media wedges in between them!

I don't have a .40, but I'm keeping the .40 brass I pick up in anticipation of getting a Glock 23 at some point!

DDRH
02-17-2012, 10:22 AM
I like the .40 rnd. it is snappy out of my P2K, but with consistent practice, it goes away. I'm actually more accurate with it than 9mm or .45 ACP, although i like and enjoy all 3.:)

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 10:25 AM
I love my .40s. I actually own more .40s than any other caliber yet it’s the caliber I have the least amount of ammo for. :shrug:

When I shot my first G22 way back when I did complain of the “snap” but I don’t even notice it now, in fact I only vaguely remember it because I complained about it.

I think folks just try it a couple of times, complain of the snappiness, than regress back to what is comfortable for them (either 9mm or .45acp). Thank goodness I didn’t.


(Did you know that the MP5 was chambered in 10mm for the FBI at one point?..)
... its birth came about purely because the 10mm had "too much awesome".


I did know that (would LOVE to get one) and I too am sad that it was “watered- down.” They don’t call it the .40 Short and Weak for nothin’... ;)

POLICESTATE
02-17-2012, 10:26 AM
My rule of thumb:

If you want to hit your target but use a lot of bullets to stop it use a 9mm.
If you want to shoot at your target a lot and make a few hits use a .40
If you want to hit your target ONCE and stop it use a .45

I've owned and shot (plenty of times, especially the 9mm since it's so cheap, well relatively speaking) all three.

I only own .45 now.

YMMV

JaeOne3345
02-17-2012, 11:23 AM
Based on?

Hopalong
02-17-2012, 11:35 AM
My rule of thumb:

If you want to hit your target but use a lot of bullets to stop it use a 9mm.
If you want to shoot at your target a lot and make a few hits use a .40
If you want to hit your target ONCE and stop it use a .45

I've owned and shot (plenty of times, especially the 9mm since it's so cheap, well relatively speaking) all three.

I only own .45 now.

YMMV

Isn't this based on pure conjecture?

How many people, in fact, have you shot?

I'm not advocating anything

Except, to each, his own.

Garand1911
02-17-2012, 11:38 AM
Speaking as a 10mm fan, I'm irked that the .40S&W was born out of the need to reduce the power of the 10mm for FBI field agents. (Did you know that the MP5 was chambered in 10mm for the FBI at one point?..)

Both the 9mm and .45ACP have a long and colorful history -- the .40S&W will too, but its birth came about purely because the 10mm had "too much awesome".

--Neill

when an you have a higher percentage of officers/agents failing to qualify with the 10mm then you have a problem. one part of the FBI course of fire is ....in 15 secs, draw from a holster, fire 5 rnds strong hand only, then reload and fire 5 rnds weak hand only at 7 yards ...the extra recoil makes it harder to get back on target.
and remember that not every LEO is a "gun person", some are just nerds with a badge (fbi)

also another issue is that the 10mm handguns might have a bullet count threshold before they start breaking parts. some gun companies stopped making guns in 10mm because they were breaking parts (like the mp5 in 10mm). i know one high dollar 40cal pistol that starts breaking parts at 10k rnds.
also take into account the higher cost of ammo for agencies, time spent re-qualifing officers that fail the course of fire, officers off the street, broken guns ...etc., to the agency bean counters it makes sense to drop the 10mm.

how many agencies out there are using the 10mm? how many approve of it ?
now how many use 40cal? a whole lot.

Lead Waster
02-17-2012, 11:39 AM
^^ So far, I haven't met a piece of paper that I couldn't stop regardless of if I'm shooting .45, 9mm or 22. In the end they all succumb.

760knox
02-17-2012, 11:40 AM
Haters gonna HATE, I like the .40 a lot.

Kodemonkey
02-17-2012, 11:43 AM
The more I shoot the 40 the more I like it. I wasn't a fan at first, but once I started shooting IDPA I approve of the larger sized and cleaner hole and it's ability to take down metal poppers faster than a 9mm.

Price is not that much more.

JaeOne3345
02-17-2012, 11:45 AM
Isn't this based on pure conjecture?

How many people, in fact, have you shot?

I'm not advocating anything

Except, to each, his own.

LOL.

and I repeat...

40 hate?

I think the best thing you can do is not listen to any caliber "experts" who talk out of their asses on the internet.

Do that and you will be just fine.

12voltguy
02-17-2012, 11:46 AM
The only real downside to .40S&W that I can see is cost.

Better performance than 9mm (even if it is marginal, and secondary to shot placement), close in performance to .45ACP, and widely common (although not as common than 9mm)

The biggest complaint I hear about 40S&W is it's snappiness/recoil.

I can attest that in my pistol, recoil is about as much as any other plastic 9mm pistol out there.

Why so much .40 hate?

why does it bother you so much?

POLICESTATE
02-17-2012, 11:58 AM
My rule of thumb is based on anecdotes, ballistics, articles, how I have personally done with each round in various guns, etc... I haven't shot anybody.

Like I said MY rule of thumb. YMMV (Your mileage may vary).




Isn't this based on pure conjecture?

How many people, in fact, have you shot?

I'm not advocating anything

Except, to each, his own.

POLICESTATE
02-17-2012, 12:00 PM
I'm going to start a poll. "If you were going to be shot with a single round from any of these calibers, which one would you choose?"

9mm
.40 S&W
.45 APC

Look at the issue from a different perspective.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 12:04 PM
I'm going to start a poll. "If you were going to be shot with a single round from any of these calibers, which one would you choose?"

9mm
.40 S&W
.45 APC

Look at the issue from a different perspective.

I don’t want to be shot. :p

Superbri
02-17-2012, 12:10 PM
.40 is a great round, it's our duty issue round and tests our agency runs it consistently outperforms or performs just as well as any .45 or 9mm +p out there. I've fired thousands of .40 without a KB and have never witnessed or even heard of one within our agency. I also have 9mm and my prized 1911 along with a .40 H&K p2000 that I also love to shoot. In the end they are still pistol rounds and all lack serious stopping power compared to any rifle round and shot placement is far more important than the caliber of round being fired. Just my 2 cents.

IrishPirate
02-17-2012, 12:14 PM
nothing but love for the .40sw here. I agree that in subcompact pistols, recoil can be a PITA, but in compact and full sized models, it seems just fine for me. I absolutely LOVE my Glock 23 and can even shoot it one handed with my left hand. might not be as accurate but it's not wild and crazy either.

I also love my Hi-point C9 and my RIA 1911 tactical. I don't see why anyone would complain about any of those 3 calibers....they seem to be in the sweet spot for all things gun.

CessnaDriver
02-17-2012, 12:18 PM
I bought the P229 in .40 not too long after it was introduced, one of my favorite guns!!!

Hopalong
02-17-2012, 12:28 PM
I'm going to start a poll. "If you were going to be shot with a single round from any of these calibers, which one would you choose?"

9mm
.40 S&W
.45 APC

Look at the issue from a different perspective.

Answer: none of the above (especially if the shooter is a good shot)

And by the way, your "rule of thumb"

Meets my definition of "conjecture"

POLICESTATE
02-17-2012, 12:31 PM
Answer: none of the above (especially if the shooter is a good shot)

And by the way, your "rule of thumb"

Meets my definition of "conjecture"

Holy guacamole, YMMV, means Your Mileage May Vary.

If someone wants to have their own rule of thumb and say that 9mm means better shot placement = more effective or .40 means best of both worlds means best results that works best for them. Doesn't for me.

PandaLuv
02-17-2012, 12:32 PM
The only real downside to .40S&W that I can see is cost.

Better performance than 9mm (even if it is marginal, and secondary to shot placement), close in performance to .45ACP, and widely common (although not as common than 9mm)

The biggest complaint I hear about 40S&W is it's snappiness/recoil.

I can attest that in my pistol, recoil is about as much as any other plastic 9mm pistol out there.

Why so much .40 hate?

the the BOLD, that's why I don't like it. 9mm and 45acp are better round,IMO. I still have the .40, it's a fun round, but I'm much more accurate with 9mm and .45

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 12:33 PM
the the BOLD, that's why I don't like it. 9mm and 45acp are better round,IMO. I still have the .40, it's a fun round, but I'm much more accurate with 9mm and .45

I think you just need to shoot the .40 more. :D

R1K
02-17-2012, 12:35 PM
practice. practice. no hate for the .40 here.

I just don't reload them.

Ubermcoupe
02-17-2012, 12:35 PM
I just don't reload them.

Is there a particular reason(s) you don’t?

POLICESTATE
02-17-2012, 12:36 PM
the the BOLD, that's why I don't like it. 9mm and 45acp are better round,IMO. I still have the .40, it's a fun round, but I'm much more accurate with 9mm and .45

Careful there, you're going to get flamed... oh wait, too late.

Yes I see how it is now, if you shoot great with 9mm or .45 and like those rounds better than the 40 then the problem is you just suck with the 40 and need to practice more. Pah, I like what I like.

I don't hate the .40, I just don't see that it's all that some folks make it out to be. Maybe if it's still around in 2090, too bad I won't be.

SIGman Freud
02-17-2012, 12:41 PM
No hate here, but I think some guns balance comfort, recoil and accuracy with the .40 cal better than others (i.e. HK USP).

JaeOne3345
02-17-2012, 1:15 PM
the the BOLD, that's why I don't like it. 9mm and 45acp are better round,IMO. I still have the .40, it's a fun round, but I'm much more accurate with 9mm and .45

Much more accurate because of the recoil being less snappy?

If you call your shots and your sights are aligned when the shot breaks, I don't see how the caliber size would matter. Unless you were referring to some other aspect.

Now follow up shots, I could see that. But single shot accuracy? If you call the shot it should go where you aimed, considering the gun is mechanically dialed in.

hyperion.excal
02-17-2012, 2:41 PM
I bought the P229 in .40 not too long after it was introduced, one of my favorite guns!!!
P229 in 40 is very nice. The small P229 is originally designed for the 40SW. Great gun i love mine.

Fishslayer
02-17-2012, 2:46 PM
Why so much .40 hate?

Not hate. Just disinterest.

Gotta go now. I need to make a post asking why so much hate for expensive .45ACP...:facepalm:

DVSmith
02-17-2012, 2:48 PM
There are other forums out there (i won't name them) where basically, people call you dumb for going with a .40 "short and weak" because it's not much better than 9mm, costs 50% more, but isn't as good as .45ACP.

It's claimed to be the answer to a question nobody asked, and is a round designed for weakling FBI girls.

That's the general negativity I'm speaking of.

Yep, that is why I hate it! Except for all of the .40SW GLOCKs I own, those I don't hate, but all the others... you betcha! And the Beretta, I don't hate my .40SW Beretta either, but definitely all the rest!

LOL

Ub3rDorK
02-17-2012, 2:49 PM
I'm going to start a poll. "If you were going to be shot with a single round from any of these calibers, which one would you choose?"

9mm
.40 S&W
.45 APC

Look at the issue from a different perspective.



thats pretty stupid

Mossy Man
02-17-2012, 4:38 PM
nothing but love for the .40sw here. I agree that in subcompact pistols, recoil can be a PITA, but in compact and full sized models, it seems just fine for me. I absolutely LOVE my Glock 23 and can even shoot it one handed with my left hand. might not be as accurate but it's not wild and crazy either.

I also love my Hi-point C9 and my RIA 1911 tactical. I don't see why anyone would complain about any of those 3 calibers....they seem to be in the sweet spot for all things gun.

i actually did a similar test on my SR40C on my off hand.

at 7 yards i still managed to hit a 4" group center mass with only maybe 1 flier.

Mossy Man
02-17-2012, 4:40 PM
why does it bother you so much?

it doesn't bother me that much, it's just something i've noticed.

some people seem to automatically discredit you by simply owning a .40 instead of a 9mm or .45

i own multiple calibers and i chose the .40 because i didn't want another 9mm

tbc
02-17-2012, 5:09 PM
I am not a 0.40 hater. I just can not find one reason to like it.

Javi
02-17-2012, 5:32 PM
I wasnt looking/interested in .40 but thanks yo this thread I am :) Ive bern relooking at sigs but wanted a diff. Caliber than 9mm

HKMadness
02-17-2012, 5:39 PM
It's the curse of the .40 S&W....Short & Weak.

It's the 10mm red headed step-child.

Lolz

My first handgun was a USPC 357sig/40. Very snappy. Good for sd/hd, but not a whole lot of fun to shoot as a plinking round out of that size gun. I wouldnt mind owning one again, but with a usp 9 and usp 45, I feel no need to have the .40. If it were my only handgun, or a carry weapon, I might go with the .40. I feel my bases are well covered by having a 9 and a 45.

mr00jimbo
02-17-2012, 5:47 PM
My 9mm P220 recoils more than my P226 .40. Then again, my P226 is 42 ounces of stainless steel and makes my full-size all steel 1911 feel like a polymer gun!

I think the snappiness of the .40 is way overblown, I've shot it in a Glock 22 and it didn't seem that much jumpier than a 9 millimeter Glock 17.

RUSSIAN
02-17-2012, 5:51 PM
Lolz

My first handgun was a USPC 357sig/40. Very snappy. Good for sd/hd, but not a whole lot of fun to shoot as a plinking round out of that size gun. I wouldnt mind owning one again, but with a usp 9 and usp 45, I feel no need to have the .40. If it were my only handgun, or a carry weapon, I might go with the .40. I feel my bases are well covered by having a 9 and a 45.

Try the standard USP .40, was designed for the round. If I remember correctly the compact doesn't have the dual recoil spring assy.

Mossy Man
02-17-2012, 5:52 PM
My 9mm P220 recoils more than my P226 .40. Then again, my P226 is 42 ounces of stainless steel and makes my full-size all steel 1911 feel like a polymer gun!

I think the snappiness of the .40 is way overblown, I've shot it in a Glock 22 and it didn't seem that much jumpier than a 9 millimeter Glock 17.

i've only shot two different .40s, my SR40C, and a Glock 22.

The SR40C definitely mitigated recoil better (don't know why or how) but even then, the G22 wasn't bad.

I think the .40 "snappiness" is FUD

dbbspider
02-17-2012, 6:00 PM
I dont hate the 40 cal, I just prefer the 9mm and 45 cal. I owned a 40 cal gun for over 4 years, stopped shooting it so i sold it.

Sunday
02-17-2012, 6:08 PM
9,40, 45 it doesn't matter to me, just so they go bang.

ErikTheRed
02-17-2012, 6:11 PM
Alot of "hate" out there for the .40 S&W? Well, theres alot of "love" out there for Barack Obama, but just look what a giant worthless pile of steaming goat crap he turned out to be. Just because a gaggle of misinformed nitwits have an opinion of something, doesn't make it so.

rplusplus
02-17-2012, 6:15 PM
Eventually I want to own one of each! :cool:

Not just calibur... one of each firearm ever made... (Come on Lotto!!!)

I have no hate for any one calibur.

I weaned on .45 ACP then moved to 9mm

.40S&W is just the new kid on the block so IMO gets the bizniss.

Too much time is spent on best and perfect and not enough on enjoyment, practice, skill.

BrassCase
02-17-2012, 7:51 PM
This horse has already been beat to death...I guess one more blow won't hurt !

The 9mm, 40 SW and 45 debate rages on. I have a 9mm in both Luger (Walther P38) and Makrov (CZ 82) and in 40 SW I have a Berreta PX4 and CZ 75BSA and I have shot my son's Kimber 1911. Of the 4 types the 40 does have the most snap to it. As was said above, train and get used to it. Despite the rotating barrel on the Berreta, the plastic gun does snap the most, more than my steel CZ 75. However I have shot other plastic 40's and the Beretta does have less recoil.

If I was going for CC, I'd grab the CZ 82, reasonably accurate out to 25 yds and easy to shoot. For pure accuracy, the Walther P38. For home defense, no question the Berreta. Great all around gun except for CC, the CZ 75.

On the question of cost, sure the 40 ammo costs more than the 9MM after all it is a bigger round. I buy ammo by mail order and I get top quality for about $12.99/50 rounds. The savings in sales tax offsets the UPS charges.

LoadedM333
02-17-2012, 8:23 PM
No hater here!

TempleKnight
02-17-2012, 8:26 PM
Yea, must be why the 40S&W is the most common caliber used to make major in USPSA............ And it all started way back when the G22 first came out, a low cost, super reliable, high capacity Limited Major gun.

You got 2 kinds of shooters, they kind that talk, and the kind that compete.

You beat me to it, HL51. I run the Fo-tay because it makes major and I get 21 rds in Limited. I could load it minor for outlaw if I wanted but .40 major is completely managable in an STI.

Regarding the KB issue, most of the reloading forum have stories about using Clays causing problems but with VV or Titegroup, no problems.

HKMadness
02-17-2012, 9:09 PM
Try the standard USP .40, was designed for the round. If I remember correctly the compact doesn't have the dual recoil spring assy.

I had always wanted one to accompany the 9 and 45, but I've read so much bad stuff about the usp fs .40 from LE agencies which carry it, that I'm good with the other two. At an increased chamber pressure of 40,000+ psi, the service life of the weapon is also affected.

PPQ
02-17-2012, 9:27 PM
It may be an urban fable but...I heard that after experience in Iraq that the M9 9mm was found to be somewhat inadequate in 'knock down' power...and that some units went after mothballed .45's???

I have a .40 Walther and love it...I haven't shot alot of other calibers so I can't compare.

I will have to let my wife know that it is important for me to make a fair comparison. I will need to purchase two additional guns! Hmmm...a P-38 to further the Walther collection and a WWII .45 Colt just like my dad carried in the Pacific...great thread!

Ub3rDorK
02-17-2012, 9:41 PM
I think i hate .40 after this thread...

HKMadness
02-17-2012, 10:06 PM
There's no such thing as "knockdown power". There's stopping power, however. I don't hate the .40, just personally don't care for it unless it'd be a carry or duty weapon. +p 9mm jhp's are not to be scoffed at.

RUSSIAN
02-17-2012, 11:53 PM
I had always wanted one to accompany the 9 and 45, but I've read so much bad stuff about the usp fs .40 from LE agencies which carry it, that I'm good with the other two. At an increased chamber pressure of 40,000+ psi, the service life of the weapon is also affected.

That's my point, the USP as a pistol was designed and manufactured for the .40 first, and then adopted for 9mm and .45, unlike all others. I've not heard of any decreased service life because of the round, would be interested in any info you have.

Patermagnus
02-18-2012, 6:41 AM
I wouldn't say it's hate as much as a reaction to the folks who assume the .40 is a vastly superior round than the 9. There will always be folks who assume bigger is always better, and for most of us that's very debatable. Yes, the .40 has an advantage over the 9mm when a barrier is involved, but if you are not an LEO, then you really do not want that. Collateral damage is still murder/manslaughter in a self-defense scenario. However, as a hunting sidearm, the .40 will make it through animal hide more effectively than the 9, and for an LEO the ability to punch more effectively through barriers is an obvious selling point.

Ballistic reports from the FBI and NSWC both indicate that the difference in tissue damage is negligible.
However, the difference in cost allows the shooter to shoot almost twice as many (9) rounds for the same price. Because of the difference in recoil, any given person should be able to shoot the 9 faster and more accurately. So, more rounds more accurately down range and in less time are advantages also worth considering. Coupled with the ability to pack more training in for the same price, the 9 has advantages over the .40 that are worth considering.

I don't mind the .40, but I've had enough size queens tell me how superior the .40 is without ever having read a ballistic report.

Patermagnus
02-18-2012, 6:45 AM
Or considering that someone with a nine can have twice as much fun on the range for the same price. Personally, training counts for more in my book, from both a fun and a practical perspective.

frank8097
02-18-2012, 7:47 AM
Out of the big 3 I like the .40 best. Only about 100fps slower than the 9mm and slightly smaller than the .45, yet it out penetrates the 9mm/.45 and hits harder than a .45 "foot pounds" wise (for those into that) . A great round, I don't know how anyone could hate it aside to feel better about their 9mm/.45 or just due to not being able to adapt to the recoil. Just let haters be haters I guess.

Mossy Man
02-18-2012, 8:31 AM
this wasn't really meant for a caliber debate, but i should have known it would turn into one.

like i've said earlier, i own many different calibers myself, and i have no qualms with anyone nor do i pass any judgment on anyone on their caliber choice.

chances are, like me, if i see you out there with a .40S&W you've probably got the other calibers covered as well.

The point was that I simply see more negativity towards the .40S&W than I do towards the 9mm, .45ACP, hell even the .380 auto.

SublimeJJ99
02-18-2012, 2:09 PM
I recently bought a Ruger SR40 and I absolutely love it. The rounds are a little more expensive than the 9mm rounds, but the knockdown power of the .40 is superior. I've seen in a few forums people say that the .40 sucks, but I don't think that they're speaking from experience. They're just fans of the 10mm(same bullet...bigger casing), which is where the .40 S&W is derived, but those rounds cost even more.

Turo
02-19-2012, 12:24 AM
I had always wanted one to accompany the 9 and 45, but I've read so much bad stuff about the usp fs .40 from LE agencies which carry it, that I'm good with the other two. At an increased chamber pressure of 40,000+ psi, the service life of the weapon is also affected.
What has a chamber pressure of over 40k psi? SAAMI Spec for .40S&W is 35k psi.

socal-shooter
02-19-2012, 12:54 AM
snappy makes me happy

.40 has me addicted now

when i first got my snappy little brick i sucked. now i can bust doubles and triples in a nice tight little goup, i feel some accomplishment because it took me discipline (and a lot of ammo) to accomplish

nowadays i crave the snap when i hit the range and my 9mm bores me a little bit

chim-chim7
02-19-2012, 1:05 AM
All of those things matter not when only punching holes in paper.

Bobby Ricigliano
02-19-2012, 3:13 AM
I don't have any interest in 40 cal weapons. No hate, just no interest. I don't care what other people shoot, I just don't want another caliber to have to stockpile besides 9mm and .45 ACP.

Jack L
02-19-2012, 7:29 AM
Once you go to a 3" barrel, I might call a .40 snappy but a full size pistol is a cake walk be it .40 or .45.........If ammo gets scarce at times I like to have a 9, 40 & 45 in my safe and do along with .38's/.357s..........that's why I have many calibers. Being a retired medic, over my career I witnessed shot placement more often than not as the key factor as to why the patient died. Amazing what a .22 caliber can do........which was the caliber that killed Robert Kennedy, the Presidents brother..

bigfan
02-19-2012, 7:31 AM
Owned a Glock 23 Gen 3. Traded it away. Never could shoot it very well. The .45 is just much smoother and accurate if I want big holes. It's a push type of recoil. And the 9mm much easier to get back on target, if I'm shooting for speed or double taps. So, for me I did not shoot the .40 very well.

It's not about hating, but about shooting what I put on target the best. And that is still .45 and 9mm. (Or .38 if shooting the revolvers).

five.five-six
02-19-2012, 8:07 AM
40SW is a great round. Snappiness is easy to deal with as long as you train.

Most of the people who complain about the 40 being snappy are mostly 9mm fans that are used to firing low recoil rounds and the 40 happens take them out of their comfort zone. No offense :D


not true at all, I probably have 1k rounds of .44mag, 10k rounds of .45ACP and 2k rounds, 2k of .357sig and .357 mag under my belt, and even with a big heavy Beretta, that.40 is snappy as all hell, the only thing snappier is my 9mm

Mossy Man
02-19-2012, 8:15 AM
i find the ruger SR40/c mitigates much of the .40 snappiness.

five.five-six
02-19-2012, 8:30 AM
I find that if you attach a rope to your SR40/c, it can keep you boat in one place while fishing






:hide:

Mossy Man
02-19-2012, 8:35 AM
I find that if you attach a rope to your SR40/c, it can keep you boat in one place while fishing






:hide:

i do admit it is somewhat heavy, but i can't even carry it anyway because CCW apps are all backed up :(

Marthor
02-19-2012, 8:50 AM
I don't think there is hate for 40, but I think its popularity has peaked a while ago.

The downside of 40 is more recoil and overpenetration, compared to both 9mm and 45.
The upside of 40 is more stopping power compared to 9mm and more magazine capacity compared to 45.

aaronwhite
02-19-2012, 1:19 PM
Love the .40

bwingnutt
02-19-2012, 9:28 PM
I love a nice ice cold .40 s&w with a CZ 75 TS wrap..

Code7inOaktown
02-19-2012, 9:39 PM
My rule of thumb:

If you want to hit your target but use a lot of bullets to stop it use a 9mm.
If you want to shoot at your target a lot and make a few hits use a .40
If you want to hit your target ONCE and stop it use a .45

I've owned and shot (plenty of times, especially the 9mm since it's so cheap, well relatively speaking) all three.

I only own .45 now.

YMMV

So, you're saying you hate the 40 cal?

Ergo the Qualmed
02-19-2012, 10:20 PM
FWIW, when shooting .40 out of a G22 and an M&P40, I found the snap to be noticeable, but manageable. Only problem was, it took me longer to get back on target, and I wasn't as accurate as with the G17 and G21. And then the camera footage showed me limpwristing teh G22 like a boss XD

POLICESTATE
02-21-2012, 10:40 AM
To my post: I'm going to start a poll. "If you were going to be shot with a single round from any of these calibers, which one would you choose?"

9mm
.40 S&W
.45 APC

Look at the issue from a different perspective.

You responded with:

thats pretty stupid


I don't know, how's this for stupid?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=537025&page=2

As of now, 81% say they'd prefer to get hit by a 9mm. 75% prefer a 40 to a 45.

About 16% prefer to get hit by a .45, guess they want to be sure of as quick a death as possible.

103 responded at this point.

:D

himurax13
02-21-2012, 4:02 PM
I don't think there is hate for 40, but I think its popularity has peaked a while ago.

The downside of 40 is more recoil and overpenetration, compared to both 9mm and 45.
The upside of 40 is more stopping power compared to 9mm and more magazine capacity compared to 45.

IMHO you need to reload your own ammo to truly gain the benefits of a .40 S&W.

I can make 130 PF Loads for IDPA and Paper Punching.

I can also make 200+ PF Bowling Pin Loads for fun and for scaring the bejuses out of new shooters :).

You can get nearly unlimited amounts of brass at the range because only lunatics reload .40.

I generally shoot 1911's and CZ's, but my Gen3 Glock 23C is a nail driver :).

I am still trying to figure out how to maintain tight groups under rapid fire because it does flip up harder than 9 and .45.

jkonquer
02-21-2012, 4:39 PM
I think its mainly because its Snappy. its one of those thing you have to get used to and first timer would like enjoy that.

however i shot both xd's in 9 and 40. and 9 had as much snap as 40 did. But when i shot glock 22, it had much less snap than xd did. So i guess it all depends on what type of gun you are shooting.

On my hk usp 40, i run federal 180gr over winchester 165gr (from walmart). i notice the 180 gr had much less snap and it almost felt like 45 without the harsh push.

Indiscriminate Killer
02-22-2012, 1:35 PM
.40 s&w makes nice round holes in paper targets:) 9mm, 40 s&w, .45. I love them all. Imagine if all pistols were chambered in 9mm... what fun would that be?:) That's the spirit! The only issue I have with .40 is cost and lack of experience shooting the round. The only .40 cal ive shot was a glock 23 which is a far cry from my all steel cz75 9mm and to add to that I dont shoot glocks well. So I figure when I am making money hand over fist, I can afford to shoot anything enough to be proficient but til then shoot what you want/can and chalk the "hate" up to a mere pissing contest.:49:

Speedpower
02-22-2012, 1:44 PM
I don't think there is hate for 40, but I think its popularity has peaked a while ago.

The downside of 40 is more recoil and overpenetration, compared to both 9mm and 45.
The upside of 40 is more stopping power compared to 9mm and more magazine capacity compared to 45.

While the Maximum is 10 rounds in California, how could a .40 have more magazine capacity than a .45? you should know that 10 round magazines are widely available for any .45 handgun.

leadstorm
02-22-2012, 1:45 PM
I just converted my 3rd-gen S&W 4013 to 10mm - now THAT's snappy :43:

It sure does carry better than my S&W 1076, though...

chrisf
02-23-2012, 12:20 AM
I wouldn't say it's hate as much as a reaction to the folks who assume the .40 is a vastly superior round than the 9. There will always be folks who assume bigger is always better, and for most of us that's very debatable. Yes, the .40 has an advantage over the 9mm when a barrier is involved, but if you are not an LEO, then you really do not want that. Collateral damage is still murder/manslaughter in a self-defense scenario. However, as a hunting sidearm, the .40 will make it through animal hide more effectively than the 9, and for an LEO the ability to punch more effectively through barriers is an obvious selling point.

Ballistic reports from the FBI and NSWC both indicate that the difference in tissue damage is negligible.
However, the difference in cost allows the shooter to shoot almost twice as many (9) rounds for the same price. Because of the difference in recoil, any given person should be able to shoot the 9 faster and more accurately. So, more rounds more accurately down range and in less time are advantages also worth considering. Coupled with the ability to pack more training in for the same price, the 9 has advantages over the .40 that are worth considering.

I don't mind the .40, but I've had enough size queens tell me how superior the .40 is without ever having read a ballistic report.
The question I would like to ask you is. How is the .40 NOT superior to the 9? Size, Speed is similar, Magazine capacity is close. What does the 9mm do better than the .40? Then ask yourself what does the .40 do better than the 9mm? You will find out that .40's pros will outweigh the 9's. Snappiness is mainly due to the weapon that it is coming out of. Ive shoten 9's with more recoil than the .40 and vice-versa.

hyperion.excal
02-23-2012, 1:42 AM
not true at all, I probably have 1k rounds of .44mag, 10k rounds of .45ACP and 2k rounds, 2k of .357sig and .357 mag under my belt, and even with a big heavy Beretta, that.40 is snappy as all hell, the only thing snappier is my 9mm

Depends what gun you are using.

YMMV

read the posts above me

: i dont know how the .44 mag would compare to the 40SW when its a revolver round but you should try 10mm :)

zonzin
02-23-2012, 7:03 AM
I H8 .40 S&W

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/customavatars/avatar7266_17.gif

Dang 5 5 6,, change that avatar,, every time I see it,, especially first thing in the AM ,, it makes me want to hurl. For the love of god man, please change it!!


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Hallz
03-05-2012, 10:29 PM
Maybe the haters are listening to to much Gangsta Rap

It has more to do with the gun and cartridge in together than simply the caliber. My first 40 (ruger P94) had no snap due to the weight. It took me a few hundred rounds to be happy with my upgrade to the XD. Now it's one of my favorite handguns

I have no issues with my 9mm or 40. If anything, My 3" .45 is my least favorite after 100 rounds. XD40. XD9 or SR40C are not nearly as bad,...200+ rounds no problem.

You learn to adapt and keep your sight picture the more you shoot.

fullrearview
03-05-2012, 11:14 PM
.40 is snappy for me... I shoot 9mm and .45 much better.

But when the department pays for the ammo... I get to train more!!!

five.five-six
03-05-2012, 11:29 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/customavatars/avatar7266_17.gif Dang 5 5 6,, change that avatar,, every time I see it,, especially first thing in the AM ,, it makes me want to hurl. For the love of god man, please change it!! .

oh, alrite

Lu(ky
03-05-2012, 11:53 PM
I wouldn't say it's hate as much as a reaction to the folks who assume the .40 is a vastly superior round than the 9. There will always be folks who assume bigger is always better, and for most of us that's very debatable. Yes, the .40 has an advantage over the 9mm when a barrier is involved, but if you are not an LEO, then you really do not want that. Collateral damage is still murder/manslaughter in a self-defense scenario. However, as a hunting sidearm, the .40 will make it through animal hide more effectively than the 9, and for an LEO the ability to punch more effectively through barriers is an obvious selling point.

Ballistic reports from the FBI and NSWC both indicate that the difference in tissue damage is negligible.
However, the difference in cost allows the shooter to shoot almost twice as many (9) rounds for the same price. Because of the difference in recoil, any given person should be able to shoot the 9 faster and more accurately. So, more rounds more accurately down range and in less time are advantages also worth considering. Coupled with the ability to pack more training in for the same price, the 9 has advantages over the .40 that are worth considering.

I don't mind the .40, but I've had enough size queens tell me how superior the .40 is without ever having read a ballistic report.

+1

I agree

Owned a Glock 23 Gen 3. Traded it away. Never could shoot it very well. The .45 is just much smoother and accurate if I want big holes. It's a push type of recoil. And the 9mm much easier to get back on target, if I'm shooting for speed or double taps. So, for me I did not shoot the .40 very well.

It's not about hating, but about shooting what I put on target the best. And that is still .45 and 9mm. (Or .38 if shooting the revolvers).

I recently got back into shooting and my first gun to shoot was the Glock 23 and I must say I hated it. But then again to be fair I have not shot a gun in 15 years. So I pulled the trigger on a Glock 19 instead been using it for months and then a 45 which I love shooting the most.
Then went back into trying the 40 s&w again I must say I do not hate it so much. But for the price of ammo vs 9mm & 45 I decided maybe later to buy one. After I get more dialed into reloading and have the money.

Hipmatt
03-06-2012, 10:38 PM
You are right guys. .40 sucks. Go tell all the gun shops, retailers, and yer buddies so they don't make the mistake of buying a crappy gun with crappy ammo. Hurry up now. Better go run off to Walmart and buy up all of the good ammo, you know the 9mm and the .45 before people catch on. I guess prices might drop on .40 stuff since you can't even hit your target with it. Those silly CHP running around with only .40 cal. Hopefully it won't KB like you all have edumacated us about here.

PS if you want to sell me a sig P226 in .40 at 60% off for my museum of crappy guns, just PM me.

Hopefully this isn't the first thread a new visitor to this site that knows a decent thing about guns sees. That would be embarrassing.

MyGlock17
03-06-2012, 10:50 PM
I love the .40 because i always see them in stock at walmart!...makes me wonder if i should buy a Glock 23 or XD 40 subcompact..

Databyter
03-06-2012, 10:56 PM
The only real downside to .40S&W that I can see is cost.

Better performance than 9mm (even if it is marginal, and secondary to shot placement), close in performance to .45ACP, and widely common (although not as common than 9mm)

The biggest complaint I hear about 40S&W is it's snappiness/recoil.

I can attest that in my pistol, recoil is about as much as any other plastic 9mm pistol out there.

Why so much .40 hate?

The ammo is lighter to pack and carry as well compared to .45

It makes a big difference when you are packing several hundred rounds.

My gun is snappy, but you get used to it. It's not bad, just different.

Databyter
03-06-2012, 10:58 PM
I don't think i've ever seen a "i hate .40 cal" post...

Troll much?

Funny because I see them all the time, and on these forums.

Granted it is not the norm, but a .40 hater never fails to appear when a caliber discussion ensues.

tacticoolguy
03-06-2012, 11:20 PM
.40S&W is a good round. I've got a HK P2000 in 40S&W and I like it a ton.

Mike357
03-07-2012, 12:01 AM
I am 40s&w hater lol

Actually my first pistol when I turned 21 was an older G22. I did not notice anything when I was testing different calibers before I bought my gun. However I do agree that the only downside to the 40s&w is the cost and that depends on many things. One if someones reloads, Two if someone does not have a lot of money to spend, Three and that depends on where someone buys their ammo, some ammo sites list the same brand ammo ( pmc, etc ) in 9mm & 40s&w as much as 11 cents extra per round for the 40s&w, some sites will list the price difference as maybe 4 cents extra per round for the 40s&w, and this is just for fmj, hps may be different.

Lu(ky
03-07-2012, 6:29 AM
You are right guys. .40 sucks. Go tell all the gun shops, retailers, and yer buddies so they don't make the mistake of buying a crappy gun with crappy ammo. Hurry up now. Better go run off to Walmart and buy up all of the good ammo, you know the 9mm and the .45 before people catch on. I guess prices might drop on .40 stuff since you can't even hit your target with it. Those silly CHP running around with only .40 cal. Hopefully it won't KB like you all have edumacated us about here.

PS if you want to sell me a sig P226 in .40 at 60% off for my museum of crappy guns, just PM me.

Hopefully this isn't the first thread a new visitor to this site that knows a decent thing about guns sees. That would be embarrassing.

Hey welcome to the forums and you got a little something on your forward I think it's a vein might want to get that checked before it blows..

SublimeJJ99
04-09-2012, 3:42 PM
I have the Ruger SR40 and I love it. Snappy? A 'lil. Costly? Sure. Don't want to spend a lot on ammo? Get yourself a reloading press and some lead cast bullets and Bam! Shooting just got a lot cheaper. With all the .40 S&W brass I've found at the local ranges and about $100 for 1,000 lead cast rounds, I'll be shooting more .40 than any other caliber. All in all with powder, primers, rounds and brass, I'll get 1,000 rounds of .40 S&W for around $160. On that note, I'm getting a Sig P239 this weekend also chambered in .40 S&W. Haters will always hate, but I like the .40 S&W. It's my preferred caliber.

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SURVIVOR619
04-09-2012, 3:49 PM
I enjoy my XD40 more than any of my other caliber pistols: 9mm, 357, and 38spl. For whatever reason, I shoot the most accurate with my XD with my S&W 357 revolver at a close second.

As for the OP, I've not really seen a ton of hate for the 40cal platform... Which really means a whole lot of nothing. :seeya:

Mossy Man
04-09-2012, 6:17 PM
1 month old thread necro

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
04-09-2012, 7:06 PM
after shooting .40 I can pick up a 9mm and it feels like a .22

locosway
04-09-2012, 11:29 PM
The only real downside to .40S&W that I can see is cost.

Better performance than 9mm (even if it is marginal, and secondary to shot placement), close in performance to .45ACP, and widely common (although not as common than 9mm)

The biggest complaint I hear about 40S&W is it's snappiness/recoil.

I can attest that in my pistol, recoil is about as much as any other plastic 9mm pistol out there.

Why so much .40 hate?

The .40 is a horrible round. It's just a compromise round with no purpose.

And where are you getting your "performance" data from? 9mm, .40, and .45 all perform the same when using modern JHP rounds.

The .40 IS more snappy, regardless of what you think it is or isn't. The round is heavier than a 9mm, and there's more pressure to push the round out. This makes it have more recoil, and the sudden high pressure is the snap.

I'd run my 10mm over the .40 if I needed a "larger" caliber for w/e reason. But my 9mm works just fine for everything.

p.s. I've considered going to my .45 for HD, but I have yet to find a reason.

mbt
04-10-2012, 5:44 AM
If u could have 1 firearm I suppose 40 would be a decent choice. Personally, I prefer a revolver as it doesn't have mag springs to wear/weaken out.

As practice/sporting round (realistically, that's what most of us use it for), 9 is cheaper and has more capacity.

As for fun to shoot big round, I think a 45 is funner to shoot, with its push vs snap.

For kdp and intimidation factor, its all about 12g or carbine caliber. I mean seriously!

Militaries know a hg is a 2ndary/backup weapon. In that sense, more capacity is better.

Mr. Gillious
04-10-2012, 6:15 AM
...cause 1911s weren't made for 40S&W

curtru
04-10-2012, 7:39 AM
Sounds like you're listening to to many ppl trash talk a caliber like when carried a 25auto for my back up to my 9mm for ccw years ago heard ppl at gun shops crap about how it didn't do anything than be an over rated cap gun but alas non were Willing the prove there theory right anyway all calibers have a purpose

chucksolo69
04-10-2012, 8:14 AM
I have a CZ 75B in .40 and I shoot that the least of all my handguns. Price isn't an issue, but after shooting my CZ for an hour or so, my finger gets sore from the resetting DA trigger on the pistol. The gun is very accurate though. In the CZ, the .40 is just not as pleasant to shoot for me as my Hi-Power 9mm or my Sprinfield GI .45. I like the round, but prefer the 9mm or .45.

Strykeback
04-11-2012, 1:00 AM
I am still deciding on my first pistol to purchase so thats my disclaimer...but from heading to the range 2 times a month and renting the guns that interest me or the pistols my friends have it seems that the snappiness has more to do with the gun...

First pistol I ever shot was an old. 380 and i could doubletap right thru the previous shot. A friend i go to the range regularly with has let me put a few hundred rounds thru his glock 17 and id compare the recoil or snap to be the same as that of the CZ 75B and sp-01 tactical that I rented in 40.

You dont want the snap but want the heavier round make sure your using a steel long barrel gun.


That being said, while I wait for sp-01 tacticals to become available again I was looking at the walther PPQ...anyone compared the recoil of the 40 to the 9?

Quiet
04-11-2012, 1:12 AM
Many moons ago (early-1990s), I was for the .40S&W and vastly promoted it's virtues over other calibers.
Even though I was raised on the .45ACP/1911 combo, my first handgun was a Glock in .40S&W and .40S&W was my main go-to caliber for handguns.

After over a decade of using it, I replaced all my .40S&W handguns*.
Just felt that it no longer offered any advantages over the other calibers.
IMO, modern 9x19mm bullet designs have made the advantages of the .40S&W moot.

I now recommend 9x19mm handguns over .40S&W handguns.
9x19mm has less felt recoil and the ammo is less expensive. Cheaper ammo equates to more shooting, which increases proficiency.





*I switched out all my .40S&W for .45 calibered handguns.

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 4:51 PM
really? really?!
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/40-cal
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/45-auto-acp

.40 costs same or more than .45, there is really no reason for me to shoot .40 anymore.

siznarf
04-18-2012, 5:08 PM
Ammo cost is definitely a disadvantage when shooting .40sw ... that's why I always stock up during gunshows .... buying in bulk (splitting w/ a friend) is your best bet.

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hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 5:12 PM
really? really?!
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/40-cal
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/45-auto-acp

.40 costs same or more than .45, there is really no reason for me to shoot .40 anymore.

All ammo prices have gone up now . Even 45s are not in the same price they were last month.

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 5:20 PM
I know they have, but if you're shooting .40, you are not saving much from not shooting .45.

I'd much rather buy .45.

hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 5:23 PM
I know they have, but if you're shooting .40, you are not saving much from not shooting .45.

I'd much rather buy .45.

But if you have 40sw chambered handguns its still cheaper to buy ammo than to buy guns chambered in 45s and still buy 45 ammos :p

1badman
04-18-2012, 6:22 PM
Pandaluv. What are you comparing on that site? Look at same brand and model. I saw federal $10 more for 50 rds. In 45. Thats a bit more. 45 is atleast $3 more per 50rds.

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 6:28 PM
the cheapest .40 for 50 rounds is $14-$15, the cheapest box of .45 is the same freaking thing. Even better bulk brands of .45 are $16. I remember when you'd actually save a decent ammount of money if you buy .40.

hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 6:58 PM
the cheapest .40 for 50 rounds is $14-$15, the cheapest box of .45 is the same freaking thing. Even better bulk brands of .45 are $16. I remember when you'd actually save a decent ammount of money if you buy .40.

Where can i buy $16/50 of 45???

my walmart sells for $16 /50 40SW and $22 /50 45ACP

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 7:01 PM
Where can i buy $16/50 of 45???

my walmart sells for $16 /50 40SW and $22 /50 45ACP

well, it's 16.50 if you buy 500, and $16 if you buy 1000

http://www.sgammo.com/product/remington/50rds-45-auto-acp-remington-umc-230gr-fmj-target-ammo


no tax, and really good ammo. After shipping, which would be $16, still cheaper than walmart.

12voltguy
04-18-2012, 7:11 PM
well, it's 16.50 if you buy 500, and$160 if you buy 1000]http://www.sgammo.com/product/remington/50rds-45-auto-acp-remington-umc-230gr-fmj-target-ammo


no tax, and really good ammo. After shipping, which would be $16, still cheaper than walmart.

$16/50 if you buy 20@1,000 = $320

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 7:16 PM
I meant $16.00, please calm down.

hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 7:40 PM
well, it's 16.50 if you buy 500, and $16 if you buy 1000

http://www.sgammo.com/product/remington/50rds-45-auto-acp-remington-umc-230gr-fmj-target-ammo


no tax, and really good ammo. After shipping, which would be $16, still cheaper than walmart.

Too bad, I cant buy 20 boxes atm :facepalm: (just DROSed a stainless sig) The 16/50 .45 got me excited tho i was gonna stock up for when i get a .45

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 7:50 PM
Too bad, I cant buy 20 boxes atm :facepalm: (just DROSed a stainless sig) The 16/50 .45 got me excited tho i was gonna stock up for when i get a .45

SS sig you said :drool5:


dont tell me it's another .40....

picts? :D

hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 8:14 PM
SS sig you said :drool5:


dont tell me it's another .40....

picts? :D

I got the 9mm. I pick up on the 26th so i dont have any pics yet but ill do a P226 gun porn galore for you :43:

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 8:19 PM
yes! 9mm baby! Which model? Got a link for it?


We had this convo before, but after few hundred round of 9mm through your p226, you will love the caliber. You might even use it as your HD gun ;)

hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 8:32 PM
yes! 9mm baby! Which model? Got a link for it?


We had this convo before, but after few hundred round of 9mm through your p226, you will love the caliber. You might even use it as your HD gun ;)

Yea i remember. I went with the 9mm to practice w/ that caliber and also my fiance is getting into guns now and shes a bit recoil shy and i get nervous when she shoots my 40 cause when she pulls the trigger i get that paranoid feeling that the gun is gonna fly out of her hands and hit me. :TFH:

Anyways it looks like this http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-stainless.aspx with short reach trigger.

I dont think my beloved 40 will ever be replace though man i love this caliber! ;)

PandaLuv
04-18-2012, 8:41 PM
Sexy :drool5: Good choice, SRT helps people a lot with smaller hands.



Congrats to you and her! Enjoy the new toy, she will love it. Even to me .40 seems like it's about to jump out of my hand :hide:

I'm going to shoot my guns tomorrow,some .45 through my 9mm, 10/22 and another gun that I will reveal tonight :shifty:

hyperion.excal
04-18-2012, 8:50 PM
Sexy :drool5: Good choice, SRT helps people a lot with smaller hands.



Congrats to you and her! Enjoy the new toy, she will love it. Even to me .40 seems like it's about to jump out of my hand :hide:

I'm going to shoot my guns tomorrow,some .45 through my 9mm, 10/22 and another gun that I will reveal tonight :shifty:

Thanks man Good luck and have fun shooting :)


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TripleThreat
04-18-2012, 8:51 PM
Hugh fan of 40 S&W when it first came out however, with it's snappiness, I'd prefer 9mm (for accuracy & price) or 45 for power.

Also, I prefer having fewer types of rounds to purchase then having to purchase, 22 cal, 9mm , 40 cal, 357 & 45. when it comes to handgun ammo. In a perfect world, I would love to only have to purchase 3 or 4 calibers of ammo.

Baja Jones
04-18-2012, 10:08 PM
People need to shoot more and think less.
I shoot 38, 357 mag, 40 s&w, 9 x 19, 45 ACP, 22WRM out of hand guns on a regular basis. A guy I respect told me you should be able to shoot what ever gun you pick up well enough to defend your self and those around you. What else needs to be said? Keep practicing till they all feel like a 9mm. LOL

tundraotto
04-18-2012, 10:29 PM
I find shooting my 40 cal glock 23c is MUCH nicer to shoot than my wifes glock 19.....put that on +p and the difference is ridiculous. My alltime favourite to shoot is the 21sf and thats what I carry because I only give up 2 to my wifes G19...and none to the G23c - and I love than gun. But I do shoot the G21sf the best & fastest so I would be an idiot to not make it my second choice. The Sig P238 is ALWAYS in my pocket. But sidearm speaking...

hkdad
04-18-2012, 11:45 PM
i like the .40s&w... please don't ask me why!!! :hide:
















































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reidnez
04-19-2012, 9:01 AM
All practical defensive handguns are varying degrees of weak...they have a fraction of the energy that a proper rifle or shotgun puts out. "Knockdown power" from a pistol is a joke. Well, "knockdown power" from anything is a joke; Newton dictates that if a bullet had the energy to physically knock down a target, it would create enough recoil to knock down the shooter, (or more likely, said cannon would simply fly out of the shooter's hand or break his wrist) since both must receive equal energy. This point is lost on most everyone.

Quibbling about 9mm vs. 40 is rather silly. They're both weak. .45ACP is weak. Shot placement is what matters; that means TRAINING. If you can't put a bullet in the right place, it doesn't much matter what kind of bullet it is.

SnWnMe
04-19-2012, 10:12 AM
I like 40S&W because it gives me a nice feeble alternative to my regular 10mm loads in my 610 wheelgun.

Daniel_Sti
04-19-2012, 10:15 AM
Bottom line is IF A .40 HITS YOU IN YOU FACE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN...??? Dont worrie ill wait...... Thats right its going to be ****** up!

topic done close thread!

Wodsworthy
04-19-2012, 10:44 AM
I don't know why people are hating on certain cartridges while promoting their pet loads. Bottom line is, if it makes you happy, shoot it. If you want the increased power a .40S&W has over a 9mm, shoot it. If you like the more economical 9mm shoot it. If you want your FOWTY FIVE, shoot it.

That being said I feel that for me .40 is a little too snappy. I prefer 9mm and .45 over it.

DrMoebius
04-19-2012, 10:48 AM
I just put a .40 Walther PPQ in 10 day lockup - what have I done? ....:eek::facepalm: (joking, of course)

sanjosebmx
04-19-2012, 12:38 PM
wal mart (sometimes) has federal 100 packs for under 28 bucks (.40).

Icypu
04-19-2012, 1:41 PM
I prefer .40 S&W to 9mm. The recoil and explosion is more fun to shoot. Compared to .45, most .45 guns I can't hold well because of the magwell size. Compared to 9mm, I could shoot 9mm in all the .40 I have with a simple barrel change. Also with 9mm I hate the idea of having a full size magazine, and half of it is made of plastic to block all the rounds.

Greg90731
04-22-2012, 12:10 PM
I love my CZ 75b 40S&W. The gun is heavy so I do not feel any noticeable recoil difference compared to 9mm shot through a polymer gun...
As far as accuracy and regaining target, I have never had a problem.
I shoot my friends 1911s (on my future list as well but waiting to collect enough cash to buy a nice one) and 45 ACP does not bother me much either...
Not sure why people get so worked up about this. 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 357... I do not think any of these can be called a bad choice for home defense or having fun at the range. If you cannot afford the bigger calibers, get a gun that shoots a cheaper round.

aatruong
04-22-2012, 12:25 PM
I don't think the 40 is bad...it's dependent on the pistol/weapon's design. My p30 with a double spring and p2000 [with almost the same spring design] spit out 40 supersonics on a regular basis. My new ppq in 9mm appears to be snappier (could be the higher bore axis and single spring)...go figure.

jedi391
04-22-2012, 1:15 PM
There's lots of hate for just about everything out there, it's a people issue. I pick what I do based on what I feel the best is, which in a P226 or M&P is .40 and in the Hk USP it's .45. I don't question other people's preferences, it's their decision to make. You're right though the Internet is full of arm chair commandos who love to dog the .40.

Greg90731
04-22-2012, 9:26 PM
There's lots of hate for just about everything out there, it's a people issue. I pick what I do based on what I feel the best is, which in a P226 or M&P is .40 and in the Hk USP it's .45. I don't question other people's preferences, it's their decision to make. You're right though the Internet is full of arm chair commandos who love to dog the .40.

AMEN!

IBJanky
04-22-2012, 10:13 PM
I really dislike the .40 S&W caliber.

I mostly shoot the two classic 9mm and .45ACP variants.

myke