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Jpcm
02-16-2012, 3:46 PM
Can you dros a handgun and a rifle on the same dros like you can w/ multiple rifles?

PolishMike
02-16-2012, 3:50 PM
Short answer: no.

Turner's Outdoorsman
02-16-2012, 4:16 PM
Can you dros a handgun and a rifle on the same dros like you can w/ multiple rifles?

Short answer: no.

Here's the longer "no" answer.

Handguns require separate DROS for each one purchased since it is required to "record" each specific handgun by serial number, make, model, etc. at the same time they confirm that you are not prohibited from owning firearms.

Long guns (at least for a bit longer) are essentially just the background check with no serial/make/model data so currently they let you combine those on a single DROS.

Logically, they could allow a long gun to piggyback on the handgun DROS for zero $ but ..... :confused: they don't.

Mac7504
02-16-2012, 4:30 PM
Here's the longer "no" answer.

Handguns require separate DROS for each one purchased since it is required to "record" each specific handgun by serial number, make, model, etc. at the same time they confirm that you are not prohibited from owning firearms.

Long guns (at least for a bit longer) are essentially just the background check with no serial/make/model data so currently they let you combine those on a single DROS.

Logically, they could allow a long gun to piggyback on the handgun DROS for zero $ but ..... :confused: they don't.

Don't remind us...sigh...lol.



Thanks for the answer; I had a similar thread about this very thing.

AVID HUNTER
02-16-2012, 4:34 PM
Any idea on when they may change this?

Turner's Outdoorsman
02-16-2012, 4:36 PM
Any idea on when they may change this?

Starting in January of 2014, long guns will be recorded by serial number, make, etc.

AVID HUNTER
02-16-2012, 4:39 PM
Fantastic! I can buy a lot of guns by then.

Mac7504
02-16-2012, 5:18 PM
Starting in January of 2014, long guns will be recorded by serial number, make, etc.

Essentially, treating this as a pistol purcahse? 1 per 30-day?

ke6guj
02-16-2012, 5:28 PM
Essentially, treating this as a pistol purcahse? 1 per 30-day?
as of now, the future law has no 1-in-30 rules. It basically just says that long gun transfers have to be DROSed and the info put into AFS like handgun transfers. It does not say that long guns are treated as handgun transfers.

TheHammerOfTruth
02-16-2012, 7:41 PM
as of now, the future law has no 1-in-30 rules. It basically just says that long gun transfers have to be DROSed and the info put into AFS like handgun transfers. It does not say that long guns are treated as handgun transfers.

Correct, and lets not give them any "bad" ideas.

gr8dragon88
02-16-2012, 11:40 PM
Effective 07/11/2011, a federal rule requires gun-dealers along the U.S southwest border to report multiple sales of semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines.

Under the rule, gun dealers in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico are required to report information (Serial Number, Manufacturer, Importer, Model, Caliber, Disposition Date) on gun buyers who purchase two or more weapons a week that are long guns with semi-automatic action, have a caliber greater than .22 and have a detachable magazine.

ATF estimates it will generate 18,000 reports a year. ATF will retain the information and if no investigative leads have been realized after two years, it will be purged.

The ATF form is downloadable here:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-3310-12.pdf

Brandon04GT
02-17-2012, 12:16 AM
Just outta curiosity, how do they trace stolen long guns to their rightful owners if the guns serial #'s are not recorded?

Turner's Outdoorsman
02-17-2012, 9:10 AM
as of now, the future law has no 1-in-30 rules. It basically just says that long gun transfers have to be DROSed and the info put into AFS like handgun transfers. It does not say that long guns are treated as handgun transfers.

Yep.

Effective 07/11/2011, a federal rule requires gun-dealers along the U.S southwest border to report multiple sales of semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines.

Under the rule, gun dealers in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico are required to report information (Serial Number, Manufacturer, Importer, Model, Caliber, Disposition Date) on gun buyers who purchase two or more weapons a week that are long guns with semi-automatic action, have a caliber greater than .22 and have a detachable magazine.

ATF estimates it will generate 18,000 reports a year. ATF will retain the information and if no investigative leads have been realized after two years, it will be purged.

The ATF form is downloadable here:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-3310-12.pdf

This falls outside of DOJ AFS. This is essentially the same thing that ATF has done for many years on "multiple handgun purchasers"; we are required to utilize these for any disposition of more than one handgun to one individual in any 5 day period, i.e. multiple PPT or other 1-in-30 exempt handgun transactions. It'll be interesting to see what actual utility ATF garners from those 18K multiple rifle purchaser reports.

Correct, and lets not give them any "bad" ideas.

Agreed- the dominoes being 1-Long gun-in-30 days, "the Not Unsafe Long Gun" roster, etc.

Just outta curiosity, how do they trace stolen long guns to their rightful owners if the guns serial #'s are not recorded?

This too falls outside of DOJ AFS.

In this case, local PD/SO asks ATF for ownership info. ATF starts a trace with the Mfg/Importer. They respond with who they disposed to, often a distributor. ATF in turn sends the request onto that party, who in turn tells them what FFL they disposed the gun to. And then ATF requests that the FFL get's them the info from the 4473 as to the individual who bought it at dealer level.

Batman
02-17-2012, 10:48 AM
Effective 07/11/2011, a federal rule requires gun-dealers along the U.S southwest border to report multiple sales of semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines.

Under the rule, gun dealers in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico are required to report information (Serial Number, Manufacturer, Importer, Model, Caliber, Disposition Date) on gun buyers who purchase two or more weapons a week that are long guns with semi-automatic action, have a caliber greater than .22 and have a detachable magazine.

ATF estimates it will generate 18,000 reports a year. ATF will retain the information and if no investigative leads have been realized after two years, it will be purged.

The ATF form is downloadable here:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-3310-12.pdf

Would long guns with a bullet button be classified as having a detachable magazine based on this law?

Turner's Outdoorsman
02-17-2012, 11:47 AM
Would long guns with a bullet button be classified as having a detachable magazine based on this law?

According to ATF, yes .... keep in mind that CA's definition of detachable mag is not codified in Federal law nor does it mimic anything in Federal law, so ATF defined detachable magazine in this case independent of CA law.

gr8dragon88
02-23-2012, 12:34 AM
It'll be interesting to see what actual utility ATF garners from those 18K multiple rifle purchaser reports.

This was part of the Gunrunner project, a.k.a. Fast and Furious, to prevent firearms from going south of the border.


In this case, local PD/SO asks ATF for ownership info. ATF starts a trace with the Mfg/Importer. They respond with who they disposed to, often a distributor. ATF in turn sends the request onto that party, who in turn tells them what FFL they disposed the gun to. And then ATF requests that the FFL get's them the info from the 4473 as to the individual who bought it at dealer level.

In 2011, ATF was able to trace back several illegal firearms purchased by a Costa Mesa man in Arizona between 2005-2007 by using a fake Arizona address:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/mathwig-317075-arizona-guns.html

Here's a research on gun control legislation with interesting facts on crime vs. gun ownership:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf