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Raptor3000
02-15-2012, 8:54 PM
Guys, I am looking to buy a Russian SKS in excellent condition. So, while looking for Russian SKS, saw these Yugo SKSs on classicfirearms site.

http://classicfirearms.com/firearms.htm

My question is are these collectors or just shooters? are these chrome lined?

In short, is it a good buy or just keep looking for Russian?

BTW, i have a C&R

Please advice.

thanks

C&Rtrader
02-15-2012, 9:10 PM
shooters. not collectors (generally and at the moment... like all things that may one day change)

Yugo SKS are C&R... but NOT in california because the age cannot be determined. This means that even with a C&R you cannot have it shipped to your door. You can however cash and carry them out of state and bring it back into CA or mail it to yourself. HOWEVER, that model has the grenade launcher. that is a destructive device in CA. You need to remove it BEFORE it comes into the state... and do not bring the removed piece here either. Watch a youtube video on removal. It is a pain. If you want a yugo.. drive to AZ or NV and get one there.

or... get a russian.. they are nicer anyway and can be delivered to your door.

blackrat
02-15-2012, 9:12 PM
Doesn't qualify for CA 50+ year law nor will classic arms ship it to california due to the grenade launcher. They won't do the muzzle brake switch either, ive already asked them. They'll sell to calfornia but take no risks when dealing with us.

Edit: Trader beat me to the punch. There's still plenty of legal Yugos here and at a relatively cheaper price than the Russian or norinco models. check the marketplace.

BrokerB
02-15-2012, 9:14 PM
Saw a Russian sks today $600 looked to be in very good condition. Had a 1 stamped on front site. ... So this means most accurate from factory, Yes

SKSer45
02-15-2012, 9:22 PM
Well well look what we have here :) har har!!! :taz:

Ok even though I hate yugo sks I still will help a fellow CG out :)

So here is the deal. Russian is the collectors side of the SKS world and especially one that is in excellent condition. They are also excellent shooters and are the cream of the crop. So by all means if you want something that has more collectors value but also be a great shooter then by all means grab the Russian. Be worth it down the long run.

Now yugo (which I troll on and are an abomination) have no collectors value like Russians do however as far as shooters go, they work just fine. Just have to worry about the Gas Valve after heavy usage. Majority of them do not have Chrome line Barrels and the one on Classicfirearms probably has a functioning grenade launcher which makes them Illegal in CA.

However the price is not to bad for A Yugo but it would be wise to call em and ask them if they can turn the Grenade Launcher into a muzzle break that way it can be legally owned in CA. Or if they even ship that to CA. Once you do that you can dump loads of ammo into the Yugo

So its up to you but me Personally I stick with the Russian especially is in good Shape and have fun with it. Go with God my child and let the SKS disease spread through your veins.

SKSer45
02-15-2012, 9:24 PM
Saw a Russian sks today $600 looked to be in very good condition. Had a 1 stamped on front site. ... So this means most accurate from factory, Yes

Yes! get it!!! You will be very happy :P

Mssr. Eleganté
02-15-2012, 9:35 PM
Twenty years ago, Yugo SKSs were so rare that they sold for $1200 in the U.S. while Russians sold for $99.

Ten years ago Yugos were $99 and Russians were $300.

Now Yugos are $300 and Russians are $500.

In ten years the Russians might export another million SKSs to the U.S. and Yugos will again be more expensive than Russians.

All SKSs are collectable. Ruger Mini-30 rifles cost more than excellent condition Russian SKS rifles. That doesn't mean the Ruger is more collectible and the mint Russian SKS is just a shooter.

Raptor3000
02-15-2012, 9:38 PM
Thanks Guys, I will pass Yugo.

Raptor3000
02-15-2012, 9:39 PM
Saw a Russian sks today $600 looked to be in very good condition. Had a 1 stamped on front site. ... So this means most accurate from factory, Yes

Is it listed in market place or on other website?

thanks

SKSer45
02-15-2012, 9:45 PM
Thanks Guys, I will pass Yugo.

yay! You make the right choice and Comrade Simonov will be happy :)

@ Mssr. elegant. Yes this is true man I pray that day will come that Russia just drops off boat loads of SKS!! haha I can relieve the 80's as rifle man not as a boy watching The Turtles and Power Rangers!!

However the E. German and N.Koreans have kept their value high here in the States and are extremely hard to find here in the us :( One day.

BrokerB
02-15-2012, 9:56 PM
No store only

Raptor3000
02-15-2012, 10:00 PM
Guys, what do you think about this one?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=534556

Its Tula 51 not chrome lined, is it a good buy?

thanks

SKSer45
02-15-2012, 10:07 PM
Guys, what do you think about this one?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=534556

Its Tula 51 not chrome lined, is it a good buy?

thanks

ahh I was browsing that earlier. Its looks to be in great shape and has a nice classic Russian finish. To be honest with you you would have to shine a light down the barrel to see if its chrome. Russians especially earlier ones weren't "officially" chromed till later but some how they where. Could have been re-aresonaled, wasn't documented what ever. Either way be a good shooter and its cash and carry and also has the correct rifle sling. Plus has cleaning rod and if it doesn't have a cleaning kit that is an easy fix. I would grab it.

Blitzburgh
02-16-2012, 12:01 AM
Guys, what do you think about this one?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=534556

Its Tula 51 not chrome lined, is it a good buy?

thanks

That's a nice rifle! If you don't get it - let me know, I will. That's a good price in my opinion.

Surprises me it hasn't already been bought.

SKSer45
02-16-2012, 7:07 AM
That's a nice rifle! If you don't get it - let me know, I will. That's a good price in my opinion.

Surprises me it hasn't already been bought.

Easy boy!! We have bigger Fish to Fry!! After the tourney then I will help you in your quest for A Russian SKS :) Hmmm I got an idea what we can do with your yugo...hehe :6:

0321jarhead
02-16-2012, 7:35 AM
The 59/66 and the 59/66A1. Interesting rifles. Some guns stores may have them here in our wonderful liberal State available to purchase. Even at some "Gun Shows". One thing though, the grenade launcher had been replaced with a "muzzle brake" to meet Cal gun laws. And it still is not Cal C&R eligible. But, what about the Yugo SKS M59? (PAP M59) The one that saw light before the 59/66. It is C&R eligible. Some places like "Samco" will only ship to Cal FFL/01 only. That's there policy. Century Arms Inter'l. will ship a Yugo M59 to a Cal C&R buyer. That is if they have any in stock. When they did I bought two. Kept the one I liked best. Try getting an Albanian or a Romanian and the best of all a "Russian" SKS. IMO if you are just getting started to collect SKS's, start with a Russian SKS. That's where it all began on these rifles.

paul0660
02-16-2012, 7:45 AM
59/66 yugos can be dated: http://www.yooperj.com/SKS-24.htm (toward the bottom). M59's cannot, despite their model number, because there is no existing manufacturers list of production. All you can be sure of is that they were made before 1966. Some have been imported as C&R, to the door of an 03, and no puppies died.

0321jarhead
02-16-2012, 7:57 AM
59/66 yugos can be dated: http://www.yooperj.com/SKS-24.htm (toward the bottom). M59's cannot, despite their model number, because there is no existing manufacturers list of production. All you can be sure of is that they were made before 1966. Some have been imported as C&R, to the door of an 03, and no puppies died.

Totally not true! There is a book titled "The SKS Carbine (CKC45g)" written by Steve Kehaya & Joe Poyer. On page 29 you will find what year based on the serial number. You can find the book here...https://www.northcapepubs.com/

paul0660
02-16-2012, 9:29 AM
Totally not true! There is a book titled "The SKS Carbine (CKC45g)" written by Steve Kehaya & Joe Poyer. On page 29 you will find what year based on the serial number. You can find the book here...https://www.northcapepubs.com/

So the book has a manufacturer's list of M59 serials by date? That would be cool. If you have the book, can scan that, and throw it out on the interwebz, many would thank you.

I had always heard the M59 list was lost in a fire (or in a tragic boating accident).

paul0660
02-16-2012, 9:50 AM
I looked for the book on Amazon and page 29 is unconveniently missing, but

page 30's notes say that "The Zastava factory at Kraqujevac produced a portotype and a "0" (zero) batch of 100 sks between 1959 and 1961. Serial production began in 1964. 59/66 production began in Feb 1967."

So, based on this, there are two years to go until the M59 is 50 years old, unless you find one of that batch of 100.

SKSer45
02-16-2012, 10:05 AM
This might help http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=81.0

But I wouldn't lose any sleep OP after all you are starting off with the best of the SKS and now you will appreciate the love and care of a Russian. You wont regret it one bit.

0321jarhead
02-16-2012, 1:01 PM
I looked for the book on Amazon and page 29 is unconveniently missing, but

page 30's notes say that "The Zastava factory at Kraqujevac produced a portotype and a "0" (zero) batch of 100 sks between 1959 and 1961. Serial production began in 1964. 59/66 production began in Feb 1967."

So, based on this, there are two years to go until the M59 is 50 years old, unless you find one of that batch of 100.

Of it being just less than 50, it is still C&R eligible. Sorry, I don't have scanner.

paul0660
02-16-2012, 1:27 PM
Of it being just less than 50, it is still C&R eligible. Sorry, I don't have scanner.

No prob Jarhead. Does the list of M59 serials jive with what I posted?

Just to be sure, you know C&R eligible doesn't mean you can buy them face to face, or have them delivered to your door, in California, right, even with a 03, unless they are certifiably 50 or more years old? You can go to other states and buy them all day with your license, and bring them back, just not here.

And, still, no puppies have died, regardless.

0321jarhead
02-16-2012, 3:47 PM
You can go FTF with another FFL/03 as long as you are FFL/03 as well. If nobody has an FFL/03 and they do a FTF, that is asking for trouble. If you, the buyer does not have an FFL/03 and the seller does, the seller cannot sell to the buyer. The buyer would have to go through an FFL/01 dealer. The FFL/03 seller would have to then give the rifle to the FFL/01 dealer along with his signed copy of his FFL/03 and the dealer would have to give a signed copy of his FFL/01 to FFL/03. Same as if out of state. Some states when dealing with FTF its no big deal. You need to to your homework on State Laws before you make any FTF deals. If you have a M59 and would like to know the year it was made I would need the letter of either A,B or C next to the serial number. Example..C34***. That's all I would need. http://www.atf.gov/

0321jarhead
02-16-2012, 3:55 PM
No prob Jarhead. Does the list of M59 serials jive with what I posted?

Just to be sure, you know C&R eligible doesn't mean you can buy them face to face, or have them delivered to your door, in California, right, even with a 03, unless they are certifiably 50 or more years old? You can go to other states and buy them all day with your license, and bring them back, just not here.

And, still, no puppies have died, regardless.


NOT TRUE. You can. And I have and do. No such thing as Certifiable. It is what is listed with ATF. Some may not be listed and are over 50. Be safe and contact ATF on those.

panchovillas
02-29-2012, 5:24 PM
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn287/bebe67_01/muzzlebrakeforsks002.jpg

This is what I did to my original GL to make it Californio legal. I shaved it down and drilled these nice holes into it making it look even better!!!

panchovillas
02-29-2012, 5:26 PM
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn287/bebe67_01/muzzlebrakeforsks001.jpghttp://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn287/bebe67_01/sks001.jpg

and the end result!!

0321jarhead
03-01-2012, 8:22 AM
There ya go, that looks GRRREAT!! Now then, are you going to blue it to match? Either way you look at it, I like it. Looks like it was on a lathe and then more vent holes drilled. I notice that there is no barrel role pin. Locktite applied? Good job! :thumbsup:

BrokerB
03-01-2012, 2:19 PM
my neighbor has a russian sks new in box his sister gave him....never fired

I also am still looking at the Russian sks at the gun shop they are asking $599- its been fired but looks to be in very good shape

Isn't there two different Russian sks's? Whats the deal and is one more valuable then the other and why?

SKSer45
03-01-2012, 2:31 PM
my neighbor has a russian sks new in box his sister gave him....never fired

I also am still looking at the Russian sks at the gun shop they are asking $599- its been fired but looks to be in very good shape

Isn't there two different Russian sks's? Whats the deal and is one more valuable then the other and why?

Yeah there is. There is Tula factory and Izzy Factory which are much more harder to find and are a bit rarer. Izzy rifles are a bit more expensive because they were only made for a few years 1953-54 and it all depends how deep your pockets are and how much you want to bid.

599...ehhh that is kind of high but then again depend on the shape, condition of the rifle might be a good choice. Pix would help!

mosinnagantm9130
03-01-2012, 2:34 PM
$600 is too much for a typical russian refurb, although a 53 Izhevsk would be worth that.

SVT-40
03-01-2012, 2:49 PM
$600 is too much for a typical russian refurb, although a 53 Izhevsk would be worth that.

A 53 Ishevsk would set you back a lot more than $600. Probably more in the range of a grand depending on condition.

BrokerB
03-01-2012, 3:06 PM
how can you tell a 53 Izhevek?

The one rifle has a 1954 with a star stamp on bolt/dust cover

here is a picture of the proof stamps

0321jarhead
03-01-2012, 3:39 PM
Wrong pic. Need a pic of the receiver cover. It should be of like a arrow inside a star or an arrow inside of a triangle that's inside a circle. Try to take a pic of that. It also looks like your rear sight had been replaced.

BrokerB
03-01-2012, 3:56 PM
arrow inside a star with 1954r < not really an are but closest I have on a capitalists pig keyboard

serial was cccp06349

I did not take any other pictures: ( I was picking up a 870 9 shot that just was just broke out of jail so I was a bit excited to get it home

mosinnagantm9130
03-01-2012, 4:01 PM
A 53 Ishevsk would set you back a lot more than $600. Probably more in the range of a grand depending on condition.

:rofl: True. I was halfway hoping the OP had lucked into one....

To the OP: It's a 54 Tula, the rear sight looks funky. I'd pass at $600.

SVT-40
03-01-2012, 4:52 PM
how can you tell a 53 Izhevek?

Because it looks exactly like the one below, but has "1953" stamped where this one has "1954".


http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03525.jpg


http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03522.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03521.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03520.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03524.jpg

SVT-40
03-01-2012, 4:53 PM
More
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03528.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03527.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03526.jpg




Unfired!!!!! FTW
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC03518.jpg

mosinnagantm9130
03-01-2012, 5:06 PM
Is there anything you don't have in your collection SVT?

I'm jealous :D

0321jarhead
03-01-2012, 5:11 PM
Perhaps SVT-40 can share with us all on how he obtained this "unfired" bolt, I mean SKS.

SVT-40
03-01-2012, 5:11 PM
Is there anything you don't have in your collection SVT?

Well name something???:)

mosinnagantm9130
03-01-2012, 5:16 PM
Well name something???:)

Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?



:p

mosinnagantm9130
03-01-2012, 5:17 PM
Perhaps SVT-40 can share with us all on how he obtained this "unfired" bolt, I mean SKS.

It's a non-refurb, like new Soviet SKS. They are out there, it's just made even better by the fact that it's an Izhevsk.

0321jarhead
03-01-2012, 5:22 PM
It's a non-refurb, like new Soviet SKS. They are out there, it's just made even better by the fact that it's an Izhevsk.

Its obvious I guess I don't know squat about those kind of rifles. Are they legal to own in California? Again, how did he obtain one unfired?

mosinnagantm9130
03-01-2012, 5:29 PM
Its obvious I guess I don't know squat about those kind of rifles. Are they legal to own in California? Again, how did he obtain one unfired?

Yep, plenty legal. It's not unfired, it's certainly been test fired at the least. Some of the later Soviet SKSs were built and never issued, this is one of them.

welchy
03-01-2012, 5:37 PM
I went to Reno last weekend. Stopped at Cabela's and saw a Russian SKS for under $400. I don't know much about SKS's so I couldn't tell you much more than that.

SVT-40
03-01-2012, 6:42 PM
Perhaps SVT-40 can share with us all on how he obtained this "unfired" bolt, I mean SKS.

No firearm is truly "Unfired" because all are test fired where it was manufactured. However in firearms parlance "unfired" means unfired after it leaves the factory.


Its obvious I guess I don't know squat about those kind of rifles. Are they legal to own in California? Again, how did he obtain one unfired?

Sometimes the obvious is far from that. But in this case it's pretty obvious. The chip is that big.


So how did I obtain this and many other fine firearms?........ Simple networking and good honest treatment of your fellow collectors.

No BS huffing and puffing.

Through the years I've worked and developed contacts and friends throughout the firearms industry.

So when a "friend" gets info on a special shipment or lot of guns the word gets out.

Today with computers and firearms boards it's easy to obtain information and trade collectable firearms.

Back before the computer it took real work and time to develop the contacts. Back then you had to rely on ones word and description as to what a guns condition truly was. Because no one could simply click on a mouse and send a high res photo across the country.

So if you were a gentleman and dealt fairly and honestly with your fellow collectors you got invited places. The more places you got invited to, the more guys you met.

And so on.

If you were a dick you did not get invited back, and guys didn't return your phone calls....So you missed out on things.

Understand????


Here's another thing those "old school" collectors did.

We looked out for each other. So if one saw another doing something which could be interpreted as being on the wrong side of the law we pointed it out.

Usually those opinions were respected because they were based on years of experience, training and knowledge.

It's a shame today some can't see when they are give good advice which they should strongly consider before ignorantly dismissing.

Because that advise is given not to shame or dismiss.

It's given so a younger collector does not get his delicate parts in a pinch with the law.

SVT-40
03-01-2012, 6:48 PM
Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?
:p

Ha. Well it's pretty obvious I don't have a 1943 Izhevsk SKS or I'd post some pic's of it!!

brianm767
03-01-2012, 7:31 PM
Guys, I am looking to buy a Russian SKS in excellent condition. So, while looking for Russian SKS, saw these Yugo SKSs on classicfirearms site.

http://classicfirearms.com/firearms.htm

My question is are these collectors or just shooters? are these chrome lined?

In short, is it a good buy or just keep looking for Russian?

BTW, i have a C&R

Please advice.

thanks


There's a nice Russian in the Fresno backpage.com for $425

echo1
03-01-2012, 7:54 PM
No firearm is truly "Unfired" because all are test fired where it was manufactured. However in firearms parlance "unfired" means unfired after it leaves the factory.Sometimes the obvious is far from that. But in this case it's pretty obvious. The chip is that big.So how did I obtain this and many other fine firearms?...... Simple networking and good honest treatment of your fellow collectors. No BS huffing and puffing.
Through the years I've worked and developed contacts and friends throughout the firearms industry.So when a "friend" gets info on a special shipment or lot of guns the word get out.Today with computers and firearms boards it's easy to obtain information and trade collectable firearms.
Back before the computer it took real work and time to develop the contacts. Back then you had to rely on ones word and description as to what a guns condition truly was. Because no one could simply click on a mouse and send a high res photo across the country.
So if you were a gentleman and dealt fairly and honestly with your fellow collectors you got invited places. The more places you got invited to, the more guys you met. And so on.If you were a dick you did not get invited back and guys didn't return your phone calls....So you missed out on things.
Understand????Here's another thing those "old school" collectors did.We looked out for each other. So if one saw another doing something which could be interpreted as being on the wrong side of the law we pointed it out.
Usually those opinions were respected because they were based on years of experience, training and knowledge.It's a shame today some can't see when they are give good advice which they should strongly consider before ignorantly dismissing. Because that advise is given not to shame or dismiss.
It's given so a younger collector does not get his delicate parts in a pinch with the law.

You could do business on a hand shake, after that your word was good enough. I still have people that call and say they've got a line on a piece, that they can't get, but thethird party will hold it for them, to hold for me, as I would for them. 75% or better of my collection has been aquired that way. PAX

SKSer45
03-01-2012, 8:38 PM
Well name something???:)

MG-42?

0321jarhead
03-02-2012, 3:31 PM
SVT-40, You are a gentleman and a scholar. I do thank you. I think I will drop it down a gear then put the peddle to the metal and then open it up to catch up with you. Gotta love this forum.

SVT-40
03-02-2012, 8:13 PM
SVT-40, You are a gentleman and a scholar. I do thank you. I think I will drop it down a gear then put the peddle to the metal and then open it up to catch up with you. Gotta love this forum.

Regardless of any petty disagreements we have lots in common, thats the love of fine military firearms.

Looking out for each other is just another part of helping a fellow collector!!!

0321jarhead
03-03-2012, 6:14 AM
I hope others read this of what SVT-40 and I have going here. For those that are new to this world of collecting, this is what its all about. Sharing our experience(s), watching out for each other and educating each other. Nobody knows it all. But, we can all learn from each other. Enjoy!!

PEZHEAD265
03-03-2012, 6:24 AM
AAA++++ on that Jarhead you are a better man then most on here.If we all can learn something from these forums and not fight with each other things will run a lot smoother.There is the people outside of the gun community that we need to educate about guns and the outside world are the ones that we need to fight.[politicians and libs]

BrokerB
03-03-2012, 9:32 AM
so star with arrow is Tula
Triangle with arrow is Iz?

Im going to going to my neighbor ..he does not really care about sks's and just thinks its worth $600. I am not into not shooting rifles, SO if I bought ti I would use it. SO maybe I shoudl buy it- resell it if it is a Iz for more money and buy a different less expensive sks and a few thousand rounds? Hell My Norincos work great..

Ill take pictures of it in detail

SVT-40
03-03-2012, 5:07 PM
I hope others read this of what SVT-40 and I have going here. For those that are new to this world of collecting, this is what its all about. Sharing our experience(s), watching out for each other and educating each other. Nobody knows it all. But, we can all learn from each other. Enjoy!!

It's all about "passing it along" Some of us have been collecting longer than others. That does not mean we know everything. Far from it.

When one thinks they know everything they stop learning.

I look at it like this.

I'm just the caretaker of the fine firearms I "own" because someday they will be passed along to other collectors or my son. He says (in a good way) I'm tending to his collection........:)

So I try and keep them as original as possible so collectors like 0231jarhead can enjoy them as I have.

Thats why sometimes us older guys rail so strongly against modifying in any way these fine arms.

In addition for me I try and keep my fellow collectors "safe" from innocent mistakes because personally I've seen how easy it is to get swallowed up by the machine when innocent mistakes get noticed by the wrong folks..

SVT-40
03-03-2012, 5:10 PM
so star with arrow is Tula
Triangle with arrow is Iz?

Im going to going to my neighbor ..he does not really care about sks's and just thinks its worth $600. I am not into not shooting rifles, SO if I bought ti I would use it. SO maybe I shoudl buy it- resell it if it is a Iz for more money and buy a different less expensive sks and a few thousand rounds? Hell My Norincos work great..

Ill take pictures of it in detail

Izhevsk.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC05677.jpg

Tula.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC00843-01.jpg

Tula 1955 or 1956 "no date" on receiver cover star on left side of the receiver.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC06089-02.jpg

SKSer45
03-03-2012, 5:14 PM
Izhevsk.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC05677.jpg

Tula.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC00843-01.jpg

Tula 1955 or 1956 "no date" on receiver cover star on right side of the receiver.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SKS/DSC06089-02.jpg

mmmm SKS porn.....heheh SVT-40 check your inbox sir :P

(smokes cigarette) hope that was good for the rest of your SKS fans :P

BrokerB
03-03-2012, 9:00 PM
Thank you, will be interesting to see this new in box sky again

0321jarhead
03-04-2012, 9:40 AM
I like that quote "Caretaker of fine firearms". How true. And as for folks that like and do modify there collector grade weapons makes me so disappointed as a collector. I could say more about that but, it will just do any good.

SKSer45
03-04-2012, 10:56 AM
I like that quote "Caretaker of fine firearms". How true. And as for folks that like and do modify there collector grade weapons makes me so disappointed as a collector. I could say more about that but, it will just do know good.

yes kill bubba!!! breaks my heart when they do that.