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gotshotgun?
02-15-2012, 5:50 PM
What do you folks think of this VEPR offered by Atlantic?

It conforms to our assault weapon laws and looks amazing and 10 rounds of .308 in a semi auto with detachable mags.

I'm sure its heavy but that's okay. My question to those who know is, does this system use the same lever system for the trigger as the Saiga series? The trigger is set back like the Saigas and I know that that trigger system creates an awful pull.

If this gun has a good trigger and solid accuracy it may be the next gun grab for me.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/data/default/images/catalog/large/VEPR308HUNTER.jpg

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/data/default/images/catalog/large/VEPRHUNTER308SIDEMNT.jpg

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/data/default/images/catalog/large/VEPRS&HFLUTES.jpg

Capita159
02-15-2012, 6:08 PM
I like the way it looks. Is it made in Russia?

gotshotgun?
02-15-2012, 6:17 PM
Yep, 100% made in Russia.

osis32
02-15-2012, 8:43 PM
Good trigger is the main concern. Have to find someone that has shot one. Looks sweet though.

TopGun2000
04-07-2012, 12:12 PM
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=141567

http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/firms/molot/30m.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Hunter_013.jpg

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 12:32 PM
Quote in the referenced thread: "The trigger is really smooth. As is, I see no need to disassemble it to stone any of the surfaces."

It would be interesting to find out if one of the new TWS covers with rail will fit this one to obsolete the need for a side-mounted rail.

NSR500
04-07-2012, 12:35 PM
I'd get one.

zfields
04-07-2012, 12:36 PM
Quote in the referenced thread: "The trigger is really smooth. As is, I see no need to disassemble it to stone any of the surfaces."

It would be interesting to find out if one of the new TWS covers with rail will fit this one to obsolete the need for a side-mounted rail.

If not, a beryl mount with a brass screw insert inset into the stock would probably work, though not as low of a mount if you are shooting to cowitness.

osis32
04-07-2012, 12:50 PM
I don't think that style of beryl mount is very repeatable. I'd go with the krebs custom but it's $300 :(

zfields
04-07-2012, 12:52 PM
I don't think that style of beryl mount is very repeatable. I'd go with the krebs custom but it's $300 :(

Depending on how it is secured to the stock tang it is.

The krebs would need a lot of hogging out on that stock I would think. It's also VERY high.

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 1:03 PM
Looks like TWS has a version for the PSL and that might fit the Vepr.

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/DSC_0220.jpg

I sent a request for more info to OST (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/kalashnikovriflescoperailtopcoverdoglegscoperailge n-2-2-1.aspx#.T4CrfZXqWPI) who is selling this one.

The rifle with this type of scope mount would make an excellent semi-auto precision rifle.

osis32
04-07-2012, 1:05 PM
Well how would you make it secured and repeatable? I'm very interested.

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 1:13 PM
I'm not sure how the attachment actually works. But I know that it locks in place securely and that it is repeatable. TSD equips most of their AK-builds with them and their quality is impeccable.

http://tsdcombatsystems.pwmclients.com/wp-content/uploads/NewTSDPictures112011-0391.jpg

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/TSDAK19.jpg

I had TSD (http://tsdcombatsystems.com/) modify the slide of a Glock 19 with an RMR sight and it is hands down the best pistol I currently own. If the TWS rails were in any way problematic, TSD would not use them.

zfields
04-07-2012, 1:30 PM
I had TSD (http://tsdcombatsystems.com/) modify the slide of a Glock 19 with an RMR sight and it is hands down the best pistol I currently own. If the TWS rails were in any way problematic, TSD would not use them.

No offence to you, but it seems TSD/Suarez seems to thinks whoever there current biz deal is with the moment is the best in the world, and anything/anyone they used before is garbage.

osis32
04-07-2012, 1:41 PM
Tsd seems over priced I built a romy g for half that or less.

osis32
04-07-2012, 1:43 PM
I do wanna try a dog leg rail eventually though

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 1:57 PM
No offence to you, but it seems TSD/Suarez seems to thinks whoever there current biz deal is with the moment is the best in the world, and anything/anyone they used before is garbage.

Care to elaborate? They've steadily pushed quality for the weapon systems that they are building. Four years ago they worked with RD and Red Jacket - in case you have been part of the Warriortalk forum you will have noticed that they were very supportive of both companies as they were until 18 months ago of Lone Wolf.

When they encountered severe quality problems with Red Jacket and Lone Wolf, and neither one of those companies made efficient efforts to resolve these problems, TSD was launched to supply products that met Gabe's demands for quality.

Is SI uncompromising when it comes to quality - absolutely. I for my part see nothing wrong with that - nor with moving forward when others stagnate.

Tsd seems over priced I built a romy g for half that or less.
No doubt that you can do that - but which level of quality will you achieve? Add up the components and take a look at their craftsmanship.

zfields
04-07-2012, 2:02 PM
Care to elaborate? They've steadily pushed quality for the weapon systems that they are building. Four years ago they worked with RD and Red Jacket - in case you have been part of the Warriortalk forum you will have noticed that they were very supportive of both companies as they were until 18 months ago of Lone Wolf.

When they encountered severe quality problems with Red Jacket and Lone Wolf, and neither one of those companies made efficient efforts to resolve these problems, TSD was launched to supply products that met Gabe's demands for quality.

Is SI uncompromising when it comes to quality - absolutely. I for my part see nothing wrong with that - nor with moving forward when others stagnate.


I peak over there once in a while when someone provides a link that goes back to it. The attitude over there is not something that appeals to most.

First thing that comes to mind is ACE.

If you really want to discuss this, feel free to PM me. I don't expect you to say anything not backing what he has to say publicly. Again, not trying to be offensive or rude, but I know having a relationship with his company is going to affect what you will publicly say to a point.

osis32
04-07-2012, 2:07 PM
Well I had the trigger custom tuned and the only thing that is different is I used an ati folding collapsible stock but even if I used the vltor ctr combo I'd be at about $800

NYsteveZ
04-07-2012, 2:11 PM
I have the VEPR Dragonuv variant in 7.62x54R. Havent shot it yet, but it is very high quality. They are made at the Molot Arsenal which of course is in Russia. As for aftermarket stuff, Black Horse Arsenal, Rhineland, and Atlantic have all said they are already in the works. There is a nice little review video at the bottom of this link of Atlantics site. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1002.aspx

osis32
04-07-2012, 2:13 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2zdrm92.jpg

You think the quality is twice as good? You're entitled to your opinion but I'd definitely like to see a side by side comparison

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 2:20 PM
[...] I'd definitely like to see a side by side comparison Yes, that would be interesting indeed. I have seen very good home-builds, most of the builders invested a lot of hours into building their rifles. These hours have a value if you run a business.

I peak over there once in a while when someone provides a link that goes back to it. The attitude over there is not something that appeals to most.

First thing that comes to mind is ACE.

If you really want to discuss this, feel free to PM me. I don't expect you to say anything not backing what he has to say publicly. Again, not trying to be offensive or rude, but I know having a relationship with his company is going to affect what you will publicly say to a point.



I stand behind SI - or I would not be teaching for them. With that in mind, there's no need for PM's

I notice that here on this forum a lot of people publish acquired opinions much more frequently than actual personal experiences. Experiences I'll gladly discuss as there is a solid base.

This thread began as a discussion about a highly interesting rifle - I'd like to go back to that.

Dave Sauer
04-07-2012, 2:27 PM
I have a TWS top cover on my Saiga 308 and zero has proven to be very repeatable. It also lets me mount my optic as low as possible on this system, allowing for proper cheek weld. I like the matching front rail TSD is using on their Veprs. I don't mind paying a little more to get what I want along with quality I know I don't have to worry about. I'm very picky, which is why I do any work I can myself and carefully select who I use to do what I can't.

osis32
04-07-2012, 2:40 PM
Took about 8 hours and I'm very proud of it. I have confidence to compare it to anything but a yugo

zfields
04-07-2012, 2:42 PM
I'm curious what modifications ( or if its possible ) the x39 model would need to use standard AK mags.

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 3:30 PM
It should be fairly uncomplicated.

On the Saiga it requires shortening the top of the magazine catch - probably very similar here. However, that's just a guess

zfields
04-07-2012, 3:32 PM
It should be fairly uncomplicated.

On the Saiga it requires shortening the top of the magazine catch - probably very similar here. However, that's just a guess

And adding a bullet guide on the 762x39 models, along with some of 545x39 rifles. Have to drill the trunion and either rivet or thread it and screw one on.

I need to find out, that thumbhole stock model is just plain sexy looking.

G-Solutions
04-07-2012, 3:58 PM
You're referring to this one?

http://www.molot-usa.com/images/VEPR-7.62x39.jpg
I wholeheartedly agree!

Edited to add - does anyone know a dealer in SoCal that stocks Vepr Rifles?

zfields
04-07-2012, 4:03 PM
You're referring to this one?

http://www.molot-usa.com/images/VEPR-7.62x39.jpg
I wholeheartedly agree!

Edited to add - does anyone know a dealer in SoCal that stocks Vepr Rifles?

Yes, but the 16" Model. I had a 20" Saiga, the extra barrel length just didnt do anything for me. The balance was horrible. Only bad part is if modifying to accept normal AK mags, 922r would be a bit of a pain to comply with. I wonder if a saiga forend would match with it? I would think the MI would since its semi adjustable in the way it mounts.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/data/default/images/catalog/large/VEPRLOGO.jpg

Standard
04-07-2012, 4:31 PM
Wow, I really want one of these in 7.62x54. If they were a couple hundred less, I'd jump on it.

raceraxe
04-08-2012, 1:13 AM
I picked up mine today. Nice finish. Can't wait to go shoot it next wknd. Here are some pics, sorry for the pic quality(ipone cam sux)

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg502/raceraxe/v3.jpg

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg502/raceraxe/v1.jpg

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg502/raceraxe/v2.jpg

FiveSeven
04-08-2012, 6:30 AM
^
Very good looking rifle.
The scope IMHO is not right. Sits way to high.

You need a scope with smaller front objective and ideally to sit as close to the receiver as possible. Preferably nearly touching receiver.
In other words, The best mounted scope would be no different in height then shooting irons (cheek weld wise). Not only it will be more natural to weld it (bring up) but the adjustment on scope would be so easier as well.

On that rifle/rail the ideal set up is more challenging but very doable and no, imo shooting a scope with ability to shoot iron sight at the same time is totally unnecessary. It's compromising/sacrificing when it's not all that needed.
If you need irons then remove the scope as it's quick detach.

Here in Example 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Guns/Image10j7j.jpg), PSO, although design for PLS it fits and works on AK rail, it's much lower then any PSO/PSOP that are rail specific. The version designed for AK would sit higher in this case and it would not work for me. But even with scope using irons is still possible.

Example 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Guns/Image10f.jpg), with this low power scope on PSL rail, it's mounted so low that using irons is not possible but cheek weld is very natural and easy.
I'm working on PSO type scope low mount setup that would be very similar to this.

Jason762
04-08-2012, 7:22 AM
RacerAxe,

Can you post a picture of the right side of the rifle?

As a lefty I'm curious how friendly it'd be to shoot. Does the left side also have a raised cheek piece?

raceraxe
04-08-2012, 10:08 AM
Here are some right side pics. I tried right side and it doesn't feel too bad. Notice the TGI KNOX, TN. I wonder if this is the importer...

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg502/raceraxe/v4.jpg?t=1333907536
http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg502/raceraxe/v5.jpg?t=1333907592
http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg502/raceraxe/v6.jpg?t=1333907654

raceraxe
04-08-2012, 10:11 AM
[QUOTE=FiveSeven;8364682]^
Very good looking rifle.
The scope IMHO is not right. Sits way to high.

FiveSeven,

I dunno, it fits me pretty well. Maybe I have a giant face...=)

FiveSeven
04-08-2012, 12:39 PM
FiveSeven,

I dunno, it fits me pretty well. Maybe I have a giant face...=)

Must be Jay Leno relative.:43:.... but hey, if your happy with it that's all that matters. I'm just a perfectionist or it has to be just right or nothing.

raceraxe
04-08-2012, 1:11 PM
Hey all,

Any suggestions on sling for the Vepr Hunter .308? The sling studs that's on the rifle seems kinda weak. Have head from other places that they break easily. What are the choices out there?

gorenut
04-08-2012, 3:33 PM
Wow, I really want one of these in 7.62x54. If they were a couple hundred less, I'd jump on it.

Same here. I want one with a traditional rifle stock that doesn't cost over a grand. Not a fan of their "Dragunov" stock.

Standard
04-08-2012, 4:47 PM
Same here. I want one with a traditional rifle stock that doesn't cost over a grand. Not a fan of their "Dragunov" stock.

Yep same here. I've been looking for a nice something with a traditional rifle stock to replace my AK74. Sick of dealing with stupid grips and magazine locks. M1A Scout would be perfect, but they are expensive and so is ammo. This in 7.62x54R would be awesome if they weren't $1200.

G-Solutions
04-09-2012, 11:18 AM
Just got an e-mail this morning from MOLOT-USA. They will be importing the Hunter in the future. Current batch at Atlantic firearms came from another importer.

They are willing to discuss pricing discounts for larger QTY purchase.

Group buy?

d3rvi5h
04-09-2012, 1:05 PM
I'm interested in a group buy if we can get the price down. Keep me in the loop.

NYsteveZ
04-09-2012, 6:01 PM
Yes, mine is the Dragonuv model with the thumb hole stock, and its in 762x54R. I got it from Atlantic. I got it for $899 with free shipping (lucked out that weekend) + $45 for a bullet button.
On the modding it-These are single stack magazines, so accepting regular AK mags would require quality time with a dremel. This video is about 10 minutes and shows the details of the VEPR, shooting it, review etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1aruqM7Py8&feature=player_embedded
I got mine because I couldnt find a PSL at the time, so now I have two Dragonuv variants. I dont mind the 5 round mag for now, but I will like the 10 in the future when they are offered. I have an Arsenal AK, and the VEPR is as good as, if not BETTER than my Arsenal.
On the aftermarket-The PSL is almost impossible to find now, and companies that specialized in stuff for it are starting to evolve over to the VEPR. Here is Rhinelands home page with bold lettering stating they are working on stuff for the VEPR http://www.troupsystems.com/index.htm For optics, I will probably go through these guys- http://kalinkaoptics.com/

raceraxe
04-09-2012, 7:04 PM
Hey all,

Which Harris adapter should I get for BRMS bipods for my .308 Hunter? It's really confusing 'cos there are so many adapters for BRMS. Thx for the help!

gorenut
04-10-2012, 9:15 AM
Just got an e-mail this morning from MOLOT-USA. They will be importing the Hunter in the future. Current batch at Atlantic firearms came from another importer.

They are willing to discuss pricing discounts for larger QTY purchase.

Group buy?

If they can get the price under a grand, I'd definitely be interested. I don't necessarily want the Hunter model.. just any Vepr (even better if in x54) with a traditional rifle stock instead of the "Dragunov" style stock.

Standard
04-10-2012, 11:12 AM
If they can get the price under a grand, I'd definitely be interested. I don't necessarily want the Hunter model.. just any Vepr (even better if in x54) with a traditional rifle stock instead of the "Dragunov" style stock.

Yep, I might be into that as well.

peterhodges
04-10-2012, 5:18 PM
Group buy?...hunter in 7.62x54r?

BigJ
07-19-2012, 8:37 AM
Did this ever get any traction? I'm interested in a hunter in 762x54r...

Standard
07-19-2012, 8:48 AM
Ended up getting a Garand instead.

Richard Erichsen
07-19-2012, 12:07 PM
Looks like TWS has a version for the PSL and that might fit the Vepr.

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/DSC_0220.jpg

I sent a request for more info to OST (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/kalashnikovriflescoperailtopcoverdoglegscoperailge n-2-2-1.aspx#.T4CrfZXqWPI) who is selling this one.

The rifle with this type of scope mount would make an excellent semi-auto precision rifle.

They are not the same. PSL receivers are longer. The VEPR was a Molot made rifle until Izhmash bought them and were based on the reinforced RPK receiver and front trunnion. I don't know if a Saiga style cover would fit or not, but a PSL top cover would not.

R