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Uranium238
02-15-2012, 1:47 PM
Looking at prices on gun broker lately for uppers, I think it is more practical to buy a full Colt M4 22LR rather than buying a stripped lower and building it into a 22LR. I like the idea of changing the upper though back to a 223, or even a 6.8 SPC later since the build is not exactly a 'dedicated 22LR' frame.

Any thoughts on how to tackle this one. Would any of you buy or build a 22LR AR?

BucDan
02-15-2012, 1:49 PM
How much are the 22lr uppers going for?

Personally, I'd get the upper. You said that you wanted to go 6.8, so give yourself that way to switch.

Ricky-Ray
02-15-2012, 1:50 PM
I would go with buy a dedicated upper. Gives you the opportunity to switch out to different caliber upper's if you want to.

Get a hold of Shadow65. He can get you CMMG upper's at a discounted price. I got mine from him and he's a wealth of knowledge on CMMG's.

bloodhawke83
02-15-2012, 2:02 PM
I went dedicated upper because 22lr really should have 1/16 twist.

Uranium238
02-15-2012, 2:10 PM
I saw a Chiappa for around $300 on gunbroker. The cheapest stripped lower I found was in Cotati at a gun store for $99. Big 5 has the Colts on sale for $469, hence my dilemma. That is a damn good price for a Colt 22.

Gts408
02-15-2012, 2:22 PM
CMMG

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g368/jkiel408/photo1.jpg

CHS
02-15-2012, 2:41 PM
Keep in mind that the "Colt" M4 22 isn't really a Colt. It's a gun made by Umarex (an airsoft company) in Germany out of mostly cast pot-metal pieces.

It's done that way to keep costs down, and they are pretty affordable. Problem is, they're NOT an AR. At all. They LOOK like an AR, but are an incompatible and completely different design.

If you want an AR, a REAL AR, you'll have to get a dedicated upper.

I've got a TacSol one, and they are exceptional.

kotton
02-15-2012, 2:50 PM
I was browsing gunbroker today and saw a few Chiappa's on sale for around $260.

Charlie50
02-15-2012, 3:27 PM
I went the cmmg dedicated upper route because I had an usused lower. I ended up setting up exactly like my mcforgery in .223. Works great, maybe one miss fire out of 2000, likely the ammo. Never looked back, no regrets. The .22 rim fire is more accurate than I am... a penny will cover 5 shots at 5 yds everytime, all ammo. Has not been picky about diet.

ejhc11
02-15-2012, 3:52 PM
The Chiappas are pretty cheaply made. The CMMGs dedicated uppers are rock solid.

MrPlink
02-15-2012, 4:15 PM
If you want a stand alone go with a smith and wesson M&P 15-22 over the Colt any day.

f308gt4
02-15-2012, 5:11 PM
I saw a Chiappa for around $300 on gunbroker. The cheapest stripped lower I found was in Cotati at a gun store for $99. Big 5 has the Colts on sale for $469, hence my dilemma. That is a damn good price for a Colt 22.

You can get a New Frontier complete lower for $99, which should bring the cost down a bit. It's a polymer lower, which should be fine for a .22. I just bought one the other day- just waiting for the 10 day period to expire...

joe84780
02-15-2012, 6:46 PM
Go with the CMMG dedicated upper from Shadow. I love mine!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk204/joe84780/P1000533.jpg

Uranium238
02-16-2012, 6:55 AM
I think I will go the build route then. Gun is not exactly going to be always used by me. The fiancee became addicted to my XM177 build and wants one of her own. Like I said, later we'll throw a 6.8 on it with a foregrip bipod in case it's too much recoil for her (probably not). :D

chucksolo69
02-16-2012, 11:05 AM
Depends on what you want to do with it. First of all, none of the .22 LR "AR" type guns, including the S&W 15-22, should be considered a "real" AR. These .22 LR "black rifles" are "fun" guns, nothing more. I have 3, the Colt M4, The ATI GSG-5 and the SIG 522. I tend agree that taking a real "combat" rifle and putting it out of service solely to shoot a .22 rimfire is not a good paractice; I hate doing that to a .45 auto 1911, let alone a rifle, but that's just me. I buy .22 LR guns to have fun and shoot cheaply. My only gripe with the S&W is the all plastic construction. I don't have any plastic handguns and I don't want any all plastic rifles. But, to each his own. The Colt by the way, isn't made of all "pot" metal as some would have you believe, the only cast "pot" metal on the gun is the bolt carrier. Everything else is steel or aluminum except the "furniture" of course. I definately would buy a clone as opposed to an upper. Especially here in California where you either have to buy a fixed magazine AR or one with the stupid bullet button. That fact is exactly why I passed on "California" ARs and bought a Ruger Mini 14 instead.

CHS
02-16-2012, 11:31 AM
I definately would buy a clone as opposed to an upper. Especially here in California where you either have to buy a fixed magazine AR or one with the stupid bullet button. That fact is exactly why I passed on "California" ARs and bought a Ruger Mini 14 instead.

..... What?

AR's with .22lr uppers don't need a bullet button. Why would you think they do?

Res
02-16-2012, 12:02 PM
Cougar Maverick Merlin Goose

:cool:

cabinetguy
02-16-2012, 12:37 PM
either buy the dedicated upper, or for less get a 10/22, its a great rifle

Uranium238
02-16-2012, 12:57 PM
..... What?

AR's with .22lr uppers don't need a bullet button. Why would you think they do?

They don't???? I thought any AR platform regardless of caliber does in CA?

Merc1138
02-16-2012, 1:15 PM
They don't???? I thought any AR platform regardless of caliber does in CA?

No...

the law is for centerfire semi auto.

An AR with a .22lr upper on it is not a centerfire semi auto. Please read the flowchart.

brassburnz
02-16-2012, 1:31 PM
+1 on this. The Umarex/Colt M4 is not an AR-15, it just looks like one. The only thing that is interchangeable with a real AR is the buttstock.

Get a multi-caliber lower and a metal .22 upper. I had a Bushmaster .22 upper, but it was made of polymer. Got rid of it. I have a CZ-22 upper but want to pick up another upper (looking at CMMG) for my son.

I have a bullet-button on my lower only because I swap out a .223 upper from time to time. A minor inconvenience, but it prevents me from accidentally creating an AW.

I have a Umarex/Colt M4 and really like it for what it is, but again, it is not an AR.

Keep in mind that the "Colt" M4 22 isn't really a Colt. It's a gun made by Umarex (an airsoft company) in Germany out of mostly cast pot-metal pieces.

It's done that way to keep costs down, and they are pretty affordable. Problem is, they're NOT an AR. At all. They LOOK like an AR, but are an incompatible and completely different design.

If you want an AR, a REAL AR, you'll have to get a dedicated upper.

I've got a TacSol one, and they are exceptional.