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perfetto
02-13-2012, 8:53 PM
I already have a ar and was thinking about a new upper in 7.62x39 or a new barrel and bolt group if that will get the job done. the goal was to have a accurate 7.62x39 for five or six hundred dollars.Some people have said buy an ak and you have another gun for the same price.Is an ak that cost five to six hundred as accurate as an ar in 7.62x39? I like my 5.56 it can reach out long distance, but im looking for a man stopper at 1-3 hundred yards that is cheap to shoot.The 6.5 and 6.8 are not cheap! I have no idea how far you can shoot with a 7.62x39 is five hundred yards long with a 16 in barrel? what about 20in barrel?should I not even bother with a 7.62x39 rifle? Your thoughts please.

lrj812
02-13-2012, 9:13 PM
I can hit clay targets consistently with a stable rest out at 100 yds with iron sights shooting my Saiga 7.62. I don't think the AK platform can be as accurate as the AR. It's just not meant for that degree of accuracy. I've read that the AK was designed to be effective out to 300 yds. The Saiga is a lot of fun to shoot and I look forward to converting it so it looks more AK. Shot 1000 rounds of ammo in the blink of an eye. Hard to make an argument against getting another rifle.

NorCalK9.com
02-13-2012, 10:44 PM
Please not this!
I'm gonna say what the rest are too afraid to say, dont buy an ak, they are no good past 25-50 yards, just stick with the ar platform!

Philthy
02-13-2012, 10:57 PM
A good carpenter never blames his tools.



Either way you have to buy new mags. May as well have one of each, rather than just one.

osis32
02-13-2012, 11:09 PM
I went to the range and a guy had an ar in 7.62 and a converted saiga. he was content with his 7.62 and preferred the stopping power. he said his main reasoning was he didnt wanna have to remember different ammo types when he went to the range and liked the big holes. he let me shoot both his set ups because I was curious. have to say I preferred the converted saiga better with that round. if you like tacticool/1913 rails youre better off with the AR. if you want a powerful trunk gun go with an ak. also note that the ak bbs suck balls compared to the ar. Id stick with ak personally but its really what you wanna doo. good luck.

darqhelmet
02-13-2012, 11:21 PM
Go with an AK pattern rifle.

FourLoko
02-13-2012, 11:28 PM
this seems to be a popular topic lately, maybe a theme for 2012

I too want to explore the 7.62 round because it just looks beefy

6mmintl
02-14-2012, 6:03 AM
Get the 20" and free float tube from model one, mine shoots 1.25-1.5" at 100 with handload/Yugo surplus.
I added a picatinny rail gas block to a flash hider and add front/rear iron sights when shooting long range (out to 500 meters), it will knock down a 65lb steel ram at 500 meters 75% of the time.

No function problems with mine.

Sicarius
02-14-2012, 7:58 AM
The ar platform is a lot more accurate than the ak platform. What also aids is the longer sight radius and significantly better sights on the AR which makes a world of a difference. A quality AK can be plenty accurate but the factory sights really cripple it. For 1-300 yards, if you put a red dot and a good mount on a quality ak, I would say you would be supprised at how accurate it can be. With that said the AR will still be more accurate.
Kevin

V8MERC124
02-15-2012, 7:55 PM
I actually got an AR in that caliber and love it! Now most people say here that an ak is horrible, which is agreeable if the barrel is not US made. I think some accuracy can be gained with a domestic quality barrel. If you are interested in an AR, I have 5 videos in regards to that on my channel http://www.youtube.com/user/V8merc124?feature=mhee (type in "ar 15" inthe search box on my page)The vids cover all the most common questions asked and then some. If you have any specific questions I would be happy to help. Just post them under the video and Ill help you out as much as I can. Just mention you are from calguns so I know. Take care bud!

Noah3683
02-15-2012, 8:07 PM
I'm not even bothering to read it just answering AK lol :hide:

Noah3683
02-15-2012, 8:09 PM
Please not this!
I'm gonna say what the rest are too afraid to say, dont buy an ak, they are no good past 25-50 yards, just stick with the ar platform!

:shifty:I see what you did there lol

NorCalK9.com
02-15-2012, 8:27 PM
@noah
Lmao I was trying to be nice lol

Noah3683
02-15-2012, 8:35 PM
I feel honesty is always nicer than political correctness lmao. I've seen a few good 7.62x39 uppers but I'm more likely to chance the $1300 on that Sig than $600 on a 7.62x39 AR upper lol

Tier One Arms
02-15-2012, 8:36 PM
If your going 7.62x39 then AK is the only way to go.

bob7122
02-15-2012, 8:37 PM
get both. seriously.

if you buy either the upper or an ak you'll need to buy new mags. are the uppers going to work well? are the AR mags in 7,62 reliable?

Noah3683
02-15-2012, 8:39 PM
OP in all seriousness, I heard Bushmaster makes a pretty good 7.62x39 upper, but I'd personally go with a stock Saiga or an already converted one.

problemchild
02-15-2012, 8:41 PM
The only ak video you will ever need to watch.

http://youtu.be/xeeeFxA_9nA

CHS
02-15-2012, 9:25 PM
What's with all the people calling it 7.62? Stop it.

The 7.62 round, AKA 7.62 NATO, AKA .308 is a VERY different round than the 7.62x39.

7.62x39 is 7.62x39, 7.62 is 7.62.

They are NOT the same.

Colt-45
02-15-2012, 9:28 PM
7.62x39 isn't as abundant and cheaper than 5.56 as it once was. YOu are free to purchase what ever you want as it's your money BUT I personally don't see the point of .223 Saiga Ak's and 7.62x39 DI AR's as there ARE 5.45x39 AK's and 7.62x51 AR's to begin with.......


What's with all the people calling it 7.62? Stop it.

The 7.62 round, AKA 7.62 NATO, AKA .308 is a VERY different round than the 7.62x39.

7.62x39 is 7.62x39, 7.62 is 7.62.

They are NOT the same.

:golf clap:

Thank you. I hear this alot from my VET friends.

7.62x39 is way different than 7.62x51, the 7.62x51 can actually hit something at a distance. Reminds me of the Red jacket episode of the "Sniper AK", they began with a 7.62x39 Ak and ended up with a 7.62x51 Saiga Ak. The Druganov already exists so that wasn't really a "game changer" that will "open up a whole new market".

jeep7081
02-15-2012, 9:30 PM
delete

jvpark
02-15-2012, 9:31 PM
Please not this!
I'm gonna say what the rest are too afraid to say, dont buy an ak, they are no good past 25-50 yards, just stick with the ar platform!

Wow. I have them both and inside 200 I prefer my AK.

Noah3683
02-15-2012, 9:33 PM
What's with all the people calling it 7.62? Stop it.

The 7.62 round, AKA 7.62 NATO, AKA .308 is a VERY different round than the 7.62x39.

7.62x39 is 7.62x39, 7.62 is 7.62.

They are NOT the same.
:whistling: fixed for ya. Reason being on the iPhone, it's more convenient and we all knew the topic at hand anyway :p

Noah3683
02-15-2012, 9:35 PM
Wow. I have them both and inside 200 I prefer my AK.

He was being sarcastic. NorCalK9 is a big AK nut

ElvenSoul
02-15-2012, 9:39 PM
The weakness in the 7.62x39 AR is the Magazines. That and the gas system if you fire dirty russian ammo. Good luck with the Mag Search!

bob7122
02-15-2012, 9:47 PM
What's with all the people calling it 7.62? Stop it.

The 7.62 round, AKA 7.62 NATO, AKA .308 is a VERY different round than the 7.62x39.

7.62x39 is 7.62x39, 7.62 is 7.62.

They are NOT the same.

i get what your saying, but we know what the conversation is about; and i am too lazy to type out x39 with the 7,62. :chris:

but maybe i can come up with a compromise...

how about i call it ''THE AK ROUND''?

bob7122
02-15-2012, 9:48 PM
The weakness in the 7.62x39 AR is the Magazines. That and the gas system if you fire dirty russian ammo. Good luck with the Mag Search!

CLP PowderBlast will remedy that.

CHS
02-15-2012, 10:05 PM
The weakness in the 7.62x39 AR is the Magazines. That and the gas system if you fire dirty russian ammo. Good luck with the Mag Search!

Mags:
http://www.ammosc.com/storename/ammunitionstoragecomponent2/dept/273398/ItemDetail-10767100.aspx

As far as a dirty gas system, just make sure your carrier rails are lubricated, there is a light film of grease on the bolt lugs and a couple drops of oil on the gas rings (accessed via the two holes on the carrier).

Keep it lubricated properly and it doesn't matter how dirty the ammo is.

i get what your saying, but we know what the conversation is about; and i am too lazy to type out x39 with the 7,62.


The problem is, you're wrong and you sound wrong, and you'll confuse people who actually know the difference between 7.62 and 7.62x39.


but maybe i can come up with a compromise...

how about i call it ''THE AK ROUND''?

So.... "x39" is too much to type, but you'll type out "the ak round" ?

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 12:01 AM
Screw it, done being nice lol.
Get an AK!
You'll never get the performance of an ak out of a di system!
762x39 is a good mid distance round, I have an amd65 that can do torso sized shots at 250 yards all day from standing position, "amd65 has a 12 n a 1/2in barrel"
Get a wasr10/63 and your gtg!
AK all day FTW!!!!

backstrap
02-16-2012, 12:29 AM
They are both rifles but they are so different there's no need to compare...

AR=better rifle
AK=better weapon

AR's will group tighter from a bench on paper you just can't argue that.

AK's will work in conditions AR's won't, mud, sand, dirt they keep shooting can't argue that.
So if ya wanna shoot nice tight holes in paper get the rifle. If you want your weapon to shoot man size targets no matter what conditions get and AK.

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 12:31 AM
@backstrap...
+1

MontClaire
02-16-2012, 12:37 AM
Consider shooting cheap 7.62 ammo through your cheap upper it may get too dirty and foul. Shoot same rounds through even a jypsy made romanian ak wasr stuff and may not have to clean it for weeks. Accuracy will be achieved with good ammo like sellier bellot. But it's scarce now. I'd get another rifle in ak variant.

Standard
02-16-2012, 8:38 AM
I'd choose the AK.

bob7122
02-16-2012, 9:22 AM
Mags:
http://www.ammosc.com/storename/ammunitionstoragecomponent2/dept/273398/ItemDetail-10767100.aspx




The problem is, you're wrong and you sound wrong, and you'll confuse people who actually know the difference between 7.62 and 7.62x39.



So.... "x39" is too much to type, but you'll type out "the ak round" ?

you are right. i didn't consider this.


LOL, i was just trolling there.:43::chris::):p;)

cannon
02-16-2012, 9:42 AM
One of the beauties of the AK is there is lots of cheap, nasty corrosive ammo out there the AK was designed for. 1k rounds for around $200.

I doubt you'd want to shoot that stuff out of your AR. For the same money as an upper get an AK.

Then you'll have your pretty and accurate showgirl AR and your cheap and dirty floozy AK.

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 9:49 AM
One of the beauties of the AK is there is lots of cheap, nasty corrosive ammo out there the AK was designed for. 1k rounds for around $200.

I doubt you'd want to shoot that stuff out of your AR. For the same money as an upper get an AK.

Then you'll have your pretty and accurate showgirl AR and your cheap and dirty floozy AK.

or these!!!!

MrExel17
02-16-2012, 10:07 AM
@noah
Lmao I was trying to be nice lol

Hahaha, your spouse to say AK!!!!

To be honest AK too, saving up for one myself. Being a AR guy I have to admit the AK is a very good platform.

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 10:12 AM
@noah if you have an upper i'll trade you a ak kit!

MikeEM1
02-16-2012, 11:02 AM
AK featureless, woot!

Noah3683
02-16-2012, 11:26 AM
@noah if you have an upper i'll trade you a ak kit!

Lol nah a friend had one, I just don't see the benefit other than ergos. Only way I'll run 7.62x39 in a non AK platform is if Bushmaster puts their product where their mouth is and actually releases the ACR conversion :43: His upper did run well though but he had a hell of a time with trial and error on mags

Sturnovik
02-16-2012, 12:25 PM
Are the 5.45 uppers more reliable for the most part, when comparing to the 7.62 x39's? I found a website/link to mags that everyone was saying good things about and places like riflegear did blocked 10/20 or 10/30 rounders for it. I haven't taken my new AR out yet but its a poly bushmaster upper I have. Down the road I'd get a non poly upper and a 5.45 upper if they work ok?

Noah3683
02-16-2012, 1:01 PM
Are the 5.45 uppers more reliable for the most part, when comparing to the 7.62 x39's? I found a website/link to mags that everyone was saying good things about and places like riflegear did blocked 10/20 or 10/30 rounders for it. I haven't taken my new AR out yet but its a poly bushmaster upper I have. Down the road I'd get a non poly upper and a 5.45 upper if they work ok?

I can't honestly answer you for fact but I haven't really heard of many problems with the 5.45 uppers

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 1:03 PM
Just get an ak74 rather than a 545 upper!

stix213
02-16-2012, 1:32 PM
Please not this!
I'm gonna say what the rest are too afraid to say, dont buy an ak, they are no good past 25-50 yards, just stick with the ar platform!

LOL, I beg to differ.

amd64
02-16-2012, 1:34 PM
If you want a reliable 7.62x39 rifle that's good out to 300 yards, get an AK or SKS.

I avoid AK or AR platforms that are not chambered for the cartridges they were originally designed for; the costs, availability, and inconsistent reliability of mags and spare parts aren't worth it to me.

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 2:09 PM
@amd64..
Can you explain your thinking here?
When you say avoid ak's not in original round, are you referring to 545x39?

zfields
02-16-2012, 2:12 PM
@amd64..
Can you explain your thinking here?
When you say avoid ak's not in original round, are you referring to 545x39?

I think he means rounds that were not designed for the AK platform (ie 5.56), or AR's (ie545x39/762x39)

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 2:14 PM
@stix213
Lmfao apparently youre either new or have never been in a thread with me, I am an AK nut! Its the only rifle id use in any type of life death situation, I dont trust AR's, I barely like AR's!
That comment was meant as a joke for those who know me!
Disclaimer....
I am not bashing, nor wish to argue reliabity between the 2 platforms today!
Each has their own opinion!

RAMCHARGER
02-16-2012, 2:31 PM
Consider shooting cheap 7.62 ammo through your cheap upper it may get too dirty and foul. Shoot same rounds through even a jypsy made romanian ak wasr stuff and may not have to clean it for weeks. Accuracy will be achieved with good ammo like sellier bellot. But it's scarce now. I'd get another rifle in ak variant.

Well when Obummer was elected and the ammo shortage hit all I managed to find was odd ball Russian ammo in .223 for my AR.
And I mean diferent finishes on the cases, defferent bullet wieghts all mixed in one big ammo box. AND my AR (Armalite upper BTW) ran flawlessly for over a year with that POS ammo untill the ammo started flowing again. And it wasn't that dirty. Honestly I feel the Walmart bulk ammo is a little dirtier that the steel case stuff... Ayyways your mileage will differ :)

amd64
02-16-2012, 9:38 PM
I think he means rounds that were not designed for the AK platform (ie 5.56), or AR's (ie545x39/762x39)

Yep that's what I meant, thanks.

NorCalK9.com
02-16-2012, 10:27 PM
I have 2 556's In ak and theyre great! and my 308 saiga is a champ!
But maybe that statement is for AR's only lol... Just kidding

CHS
02-17-2012, 1:07 PM
http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/pular47.gif

There you go. Problem solved.

6mmintl
02-23-2012, 4:42 PM
I just posted this over in the C & R section, tried to stimulate some AK users over in the gunsmithing section (Srewed up trunnion post) to maybe enhance their AK platform but they did not want to budge on possibly exploring/enhancing the AK platform, seems the are satisfied with its limitations (Sights? assy. methodology/marginal accuracy limitations), they put up a good argument to not change a thing so im moving on to others platforms and will leave the 50/100 yard firing line to them.


So here goes:

7,62x39mm cartridge for 200-500 yard shooting

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Well guys, what do you think? I have been shooting the 7.62x39mm for the past few years in 200-500 meter silhouette and have decided that it is a viable mid range cartridge with some changes. Im shooting a Mod 1 upper 20" FF tube with irons and scope and Yugo ball and handloads, it will compete at the lower silhouette and highpower classes, and it would be a good caliber to start women out in competitive shooting due to low recoil.

I see a lot of people building AR's and bolt guns are available and becoming more popular, I also see a lot of people shooting SKS's now and a few are playing around on 200 yard high-power courses (A good trend seeing how a lot of people have one). The cartridge is basically an accurate design that is currently held back by available bullets and some existing military chamber/actions designs.

A few things I see holding the 7,62x39mm cartridge back is #1, available bullet weights for .310/.311" bullets, either a 123/125 or 150 grain flat base bullets. The 123/125 grain get blown around too much at 500 meters and take a high level of wind doping, 150's cannot be driven fast enough to take advantage of the weight. Their are better cartridges for shooting distance (6mm,6.5mm) but its a lot more satisfaction to me challenging the wind.

#2 The other thing holding it back is the standard AK platform, according to some of the AK builders Iíve talked too recently, seems they want to stay with the riveted assembly process and sheet metal receivers for historical correctness reasons and making a more ridgid barrel/receiver Assy. is not in their interest. If fact some are downright hostile to improving the platform, I guess thatís why you donít see any serious shooting with an AK at distance beyond 50/100 yard lines. I have not seen one on a highpower or military silouette match for at least 10 years.

I would like to see shooters "push the envelope" with their AK's. Adding a rear cover adjustable sight to increase sight radius or even add a modern scope may help their "Traditional" configuration.

Im having a 7,62x39mm cartridge rifle built on a 98 action with single stack Romanian mag conversion with a .30 cal barrel by a good local gunsmith and will see how it does soon. I think the Sierra 135 HPBT's in a .308 bore size will help find a best compromise between velocity and down range performance, now if only we could get a 135 grain HPBT in .310/.311"? Sierra? Are you listening?

Any interest on this cartridge/barrel/bullet configurations for accurate mid range shooting?

Any comments/ideaís on improving the various platforms being shot in this caliber?

Capybara
02-23-2012, 5:28 PM
Just get the Red Jacket 1,000 yard AyKay, it's going to change everything.

Dan

RonPogi
02-23-2012, 5:47 PM
Buy PWS MK107 DIABLO 7.62x39 AR type with AK47 DNA SOLVED your problem:43:

coltonx
02-23-2012, 8:17 PM
i would buy a sks and put tapco on it looks nice and is accurate at 300 yards run u like 400 with everything

Cuerno_de_Chivo
02-23-2012, 8:26 PM
AKs are only accurate up to 20 yards. They suck!!

Richard Erichsen
02-23-2012, 8:26 PM
Please not this!
I'm gonna say what the rest are too afraid to say, dont buy an ak, they are no good past 25-50 yards, just stick with the ar platform!

Be aware 25-50 yards is more typical of handgun/shotgun/bow hunting range. It's hardly a limitation of the platform or the 7.62x39 cartridge.

R

stix213
02-23-2012, 10:48 PM
@stix213
Lmfao apparently youre either new or have never been in a thread with me, I am an AK nut! Its the only rifle id use in any type of life death situation, I dont trust AR's, I barely like AR's!
That comment was meant as a joke for those who know me!
Disclaimer....
I am not bashing, nor wish to argue reliabity between the 2 platforms today!
Each has their own opinion!

Not new, and we've been in plenty of threads... I was just zipping through calguns too fast while at work again ;)

mrlonewolf
02-23-2012, 10:54 PM
AKs are only accurate up to 20 yards. They suck!!

Really...!?!?!

Can you please elaborate your statement Sir.

Exposed
02-23-2012, 10:58 PM
Im only going to say this once. I. LOVE. MY. 7.62x39 AR15!!!!

Had it for years and the myth of it not being reliable, is just that, a myth! I hit steel plates out to 400 yards with it all day long! I even run corrosive Yugo ammo through it, clean it right after a range trip and it stays GTG! Has a couple thousand rounds down the pipe and still runs like a champ. As far as mags go. You want 30 rd rebuild kits? Here you go.

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/mag-asc-ar7-62x39-30rd-sts-blk-2034.html

NorCalK9.com
02-23-2012, 11:01 PM
Lmao
When us AK guys bash AR's we get the 9th degree, when we joke and bash the AK we get the 10th degree, lol btw I got my AR all put together today! Yippee now I can shoot past 50 yards!

mrlonewolf
02-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Im only going to say this once. I. LOVE. MY. 7.62x39 AR15!!!!


We need to talk....... :chris:





:p

Exposed
02-23-2012, 11:10 PM
We need to talk....... :chris:





:p

Oh, uhhhhh. I mean I love my AK47s :hide:

FourLoko
02-23-2012, 11:14 PM
it's hard enough finding a decent, complete upper in 7.62x39 (excluding the sexy, pricey PWS stuff)

ott1
02-23-2012, 11:21 PM
it's hard enough finding a decent, complete upper in 7.62x39 (excluding the sexy, pricey PWS stuff)

Check Model1Sales.

Lifeon2whls
02-23-2012, 11:22 PM
Just get a SKS

Cuerno_de_Chivo
02-23-2012, 11:46 PM
Really...!?!?!

Can you please elaborate your statement Sir.

Dude they curve or something because they can't hit anything past 20 yards. AKs suck!

mrlonewolf
02-24-2012, 12:07 AM
Dude they curve or something because they can't hit anything past 20 yards. AKs suck!

With all due respect Sir.

You did not elaborate and/or prove your previous statement.

No offense but.

Do you know how to shoot?

Exposed
02-24-2012, 12:35 AM
it's hard enough finding a decent, complete upper in 7.62x39 (excluding the sexy, pricey PWS stuff)

This is the one I run, except, mine has the flat top receiver and a midwest industries quad rail.

http://olyarms.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.pbv.v8.tpl&product_id=107&category_id=76&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=5

.....and I have a friend that runs his one. He loves it.

http://www.shop.ar15hardware.com/16-Chrome-Moly-762x39-Carbine-upper-with-folding-front-sight-16cm762x39m4yhmfu.htm

EpitomeofChaos
03-30-2012, 12:44 PM
My build with a bushmaster upper eats everything...after an enhanced firing pin, wolff power spring, ramp job, and opening the lips on my 30rd cprod/asc mags. lol If I knew before hand it was going to take that much to get the damn thing to fire reliably I would have just built a 556. :banghead:

Richard Erichsen
03-30-2012, 2:27 PM
I went to the range and a guy had an ar in 7.62 and a converted saiga. he was content with his 7.62 and preferred the stopping power. he said his main reasoning was he didnt wanna have to remember different ammo types when he went to the range and liked the big holes. he let me shoot both his set ups because I was curious. have to say I preferred the converted saiga better with that round. if you like tacticool/1913 rails youre better off with the AR. if you want a powerful trunk gun go with an ak. also note that the ak bbs suck balls compared to the ar. Id stick with ak personally but its really what you wanna doo. good luck.

The AR15 vs. AK debate will never end, as this thread once again proves. Long live the debate.

Osis32, for the most part, we agree.

* You can drape your AK with as many rails in as many places as an AR. High quality railed handguards, gas tubes and top covers can be had from Ultimak and Texas Weapon Systems. Choices in sights, stocks and other aids are more abundant than ever before. Even left side charging handles, selector switches and LR-BHO features can be added inexpensively.

* Practical accuracy is very different from the mechanical accuracy of the rifle supported on a rest. Demanding sub-MOA accuracy is nonsensical given what these rifles were intended to do and how they were intended to be used. If you "run and gun" with your rifle on a more active range with dynamic targets requiring you to re-position, reload and hit your targets against a time limit, the biggest impediment to consistent accuracy is the shooter, not the rifle.

* Most shooters don't even fire their rifles while standing up, or in a kneeling position so never realize what they are capable of, only what their rifle can do with the shooter removed as much as possible from the equation with a sturdy rifle rest, a powerful optic and a 100 yard rifle range with brightly lit static targets.

* Bullet buttons are not the only way to run a CA legal AK. Grip straps take getting used to, but are probably the better compromise especially for those with pre ban standard capacity magazines. I agree the magazine locks for AK are fairly poor and you'd probably be better off rigging up your own which for $4.00 in materials should be easy enough to do.

* AKs can and will make hits beyond 250 yards, but to do so requires improvements to the iron sights, fitting of an optic and a shooter than can shoot. The sloppiest blow-back sub-machine guns (M3 greasegun comes to mind) will shoot beyond 50 yards with acceptable accuracy (a man sized target - center mass), the notion that some have that the 7.62x39 caliber or the AK rifle cannot is bunk.

R

peppermintman
03-31-2012, 8:48 AM
I'd choose the AK.

I'd choose an AK too. Shooting the 5.56 is very easy with the AR and that buffer spring that makes it almost shooting a 22. My AK shoots 2 inch groups at 200 yards. That's a pretty good distance I think with iron sites. Going to get my 3rd AK soon, I love shooting the 7.62x39. Bit more challenging I think. That's why I'll never own another AR, very very easy to shoot. When I get out to a range and shoot at 300 yards I let you know how it does. Please leave the scopes for the AR at home.