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flak88mm
02-12-2012, 3:06 PM
Ok guys, I'm planning to budget for my next firearm by the end of 2012. I already bought 2 this year so the ol' lady put me on restriction but now, I will put away money each month for my next firearm.

My question is, would you get an M1 Carbine or SVT-40 next?

Considering economics, time, rarity and other factors, why would you chose one over the other?

beerman
02-12-2012, 3:16 PM
Rarity, ammo availability,wow factor...SVT40.
funnest to play with,carbine,but you better reload,cause ammo is expensive,and you will shoot alot(really alot)Carbines will always be around...SVTs are already drying up.
That being said,I sold my SVT a few years back....will NEVER sell my carbine!

TRAP55
02-12-2012, 3:45 PM
SVT-40, no brainer.

Fate
02-12-2012, 3:46 PM
I have both, love them both. SVT will be cheaper to shoot and likely increase in value faster than a M1 Carbine. Both are getting fake parts added to them, so if you're looking for collector grade, be sure you know what you're looking at before you drop the cash. Like the other poster said, SVT-40's are far harder to come by than M1 Carbines. I'd go that route first.

bigbryan
02-12-2012, 3:46 PM
Svt40 is my vote, ammo cheap fun rare rifle

Carbine fun to shoot but ammo is expensive and it seem you never have enough ammo alway want more

grossekatz
02-12-2012, 3:51 PM
Get the svt, their prices are still climbing. There will always be inexpensive carbines.

flak88mm
02-12-2012, 4:37 PM
OK SVT it is. So i start my piggy bank soon.

Cessnapilot89
02-12-2012, 4:58 PM
SVT for sure. Or a G43

brianm767
02-12-2012, 5:16 PM
I want a SVT so bad, so I'd go that route first. I also want a M1 carbine, but it will wait.

Flyin Brian
02-12-2012, 6:04 PM
I just brought my SVT to the range today and every single time I asked my friends if they wanted to shoot another mag full they said YES! SVTs are a blast.

TRAP55
02-12-2012, 7:12 PM
The SVT-40 at the range always produces two results.
The first is, the benches clearing out on both sides of you from the muzzle brake.
The second is, they all come back asking "WTH is that?" And "Can I shoot it?":)

flak88mm
02-12-2012, 7:49 PM
Ha ha the garand also clears benches

TeckLancer
02-13-2012, 6:14 AM
M44 to

Noonanda
02-13-2012, 2:01 PM
I just sold my SVT, was a great gun but didnt shoot it much as I always had to made sure to clean the heck out of it after shooting surplus. I will miss it but I had my fun with it.

My M-1 Carbine is one of my "Fun Guns", the daughters like shooting it and reloading for it is easy too

nastyhabts26
02-13-2012, 2:41 PM
I say get them both and do it soon as the end of the world as we know it is coming December 2012.
You will need as many firearms and as much ammo as you can stash to survive at least a short time during the apocolyptic phase of the end of the earth.
Have a nice day :)

flak88mm
02-13-2012, 9:13 PM
I say get them both and do it soon as the end of the world as we know it is coming December 2012.
You will need as many firearms and as much ammo as you can stash to survive at least a short time during the apocolyptic phase of the end of the earth.
Have a nice day :)

Hey you got a point. Maybe I should start stocking up right now for the 'Apocalypse"

SKSer45
02-13-2012, 9:20 PM
Hey you got a point. Maybe I should start stocking up right now for the 'Apocalypse"

hmmm well if you get an SVT-40 and Mosin nagant...you can stock up on the 7.62X54R!! woohooo!! End of the world part at your house :P lol.

McNally M.
02-14-2012, 11:35 AM
God if only we could take into Canada's supply of cheap SVT-40s. Those price tags never fail to make my jaw drop.

Why is it that they are importing them so cheaply and we don't?

McNally M.
02-14-2012, 11:36 AM
God if only we could take into Canada's supply of cheap SVT-40s. Those price tags never fail to make my jaw drop.

Why is it that they are importing them so cheaply and we don't?

Fate
02-14-2012, 8:32 PM
God if only we could take into Canada's supply of cheap SVT-40s. Those price tags never fail to make my jaw drop.

Why is it that they are importing them so cheaply and we don't?

Because there are a lot of them in Soviet warehouses. During the Clinton presidency, we signed a ban on Soviet made/located weapons. All the Mosin Nagants and Nagant revolvers we have come from Ukraine.

McNally M.
02-14-2012, 8:47 PM
Is that so? Then is there a potentially untapped market of Mosin Nagants in Russia too?

SKSer45
02-14-2012, 9:51 PM
God if only we could take into Canada's supply of cheap SVT-40s. Those price tags never fail to make my jaw drop.

Why is it that they are importing them so cheaply and we don't?

You should see some of the SKS rifles that Canada has gotten. I am not talking about Yugo junk and Nice Chinese I am talking about the best of the best. Sino-soviets, Russian Izzys, Matching Romanian Rifles, Matching Alby and even some Russian Tula no refurbs. They get it so cheap too!!!

A guy on my Youtube page picked up a nice Russian Refurb and NIB Chinese /26\ for 500 bucks!! Man that is awesome. Only down side is the 5 round magazine plug but o well.

darqhelmet
02-14-2012, 9:57 PM
SVT40. I need to grab one up before they are gone.

SVT-40
02-14-2012, 10:37 PM
Love the SVT-40's but then again I'm prejudice...

Some of the mid 90's imports are exceptionally nice, but some really like the Finn marked earlier imports.

Here's a few pic's of one of mine. It's a 1941 dated Kovrov arsenal made rifle. The stock is exceptional, and the markings are numerous and deeply struck. Just a beautiful rifle.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/SVT40001.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/DSC05287.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/DSC05281.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/DSC05231-02.jpg


1941 date Finn marked Tula made rifle.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/DSC00944-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/DSC04504-1.jpg

flak88mm
02-14-2012, 11:45 PM
SVT40. I need to grab one up before they are gone.

Amen to that

Cylarz
02-15-2012, 12:02 AM
I just sold my SVT, was a great gun but didnt shoot it much as I always had to made sure to clean the heck out of it after shooting surplus. I will miss it but I had my fun with it.

My M-1 Carbine is one of my "Fun Guns", the daughters like shooting it and reloading for it is easy too

Hey, bro! I'm having a lot of fun with it! Very nice piece of hardware. Did you take the gas system apart too, or did you just clean the action and bore?

(I'm the guy who bought it from him)

Hope you're likewise enjoying the Mausers.

Noonanda
02-15-2012, 5:44 AM
Hey, bro! I'm having a lot of fun with it! Very nice piece of hardware. Did you take the gas system apart too, or did you just clean the action and bore?

(I'm the guy who bought it from him)

Hope you're likewise enjoying the Mausers.

I always took the gas system apart to clean after shooting surplus, that in my eyes is the most important part to clean, and also the P>I>T>A when it comes to cleaning it.

McNally M.
02-15-2012, 6:46 AM
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that SVT40 has two SVT-40s but once again it never fails me to see how many rifles you have. And the exceptional condition too!

SVT-40
02-15-2012, 8:43 AM
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that SVT40 has two SVT-40s but once again it never fails me to see how many rifles you have. And the exceptional condition too!

Actually I have six or seven. I recently sold one to a fellow board member who was in desperate need of one.

I did say I really like the SVT's didn't I?

Fate
02-15-2012, 8:46 AM
1941 date Finn marked Tula made rifle.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/SVT/DSC00944-01.jpg

Your Finn capture looks like mine. Still has the worn original finish instead of having undergone the sanding and pine tar treatment that was the norm for Finnish refurbishment.

Sampachi
02-15-2012, 8:50 AM
I would lean towards the SVT40... but the M1 carbine is really nice too, in a sentimental way. You can't get both?

McNally M.
02-15-2012, 12:19 PM
Actually I have six or seven. I recently sold one to a fellow board member who was in desperate need of one.

I did say I really like the SVT's didn't I?

Six or seven?.... I'm trying to add that on top of what I already know you have, which include six or so Swedish Mausers, a few K98s, a Czech CZ52, and perhaps the equivalent of a Eastern Bloc arms storage warehouse of Mosins and other rifles. I am amazed, and even more envious!

Cylarz
02-16-2012, 7:06 PM
I would lean towards the SVT40... but the M1 carbine is really nice too, in a sentimental way. You can't get both?

"Both" is nice, and "several of both" is better still.

That said, the OP may be short on funds, and if he can afford either one, I'd say go for the SVT simply because it is rarer. Furthermore, once bought, the ammo is far cheaper than even the new production steel cased Wolf brand stuff available for the 30 Carbine. About half the cost, I'd say, perhaps even a third if you buy in bulk like I tend to do. As others have pointed out, however, the cheap Mosin surplus is often corrosive. The soldiers of the various communist bloc states must have cleaned the heck out of their weapons "back in the day," being for decades there was no other type of ammo available to them.

Neither type of weapon is particularly cheap unfortunately; carbines start at $500 and go up considerably from there. An SVT costs around twice as much, perhaps a little less if you find a good deal.

flak88mm
02-19-2012, 9:37 AM
I would lean towards the SVT40... but the M1 carbine is really nice too, in a sentimental way. You can't get both?

My stuff will be thrown out of the house if I buy both at once

hybridatsun350
02-19-2012, 10:16 AM
SVT-40, no brainer.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. M1 Carbine's are cool, but I've wanted an SVT-40 for a while and would add one to my collection before an M1 carbine.

flak88mm
03-08-2012, 10:48 PM
I followed your guys advice, today i closed a deal on an SVT-40 . Thanks for the help

Dr.Mauser
03-08-2012, 11:14 PM
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you end up paying for it? I've been thinking about doing what your doing and saving but don't wven know how much I'm going to need to save.

flak88mm
03-09-2012, 5:24 AM
700

0321jarhead
03-09-2012, 5:34 AM
I would like an SVT40 myself. But, I do have some commie weapons already. I'm thinking in this line of fire. I have a Springfield 1903, Springfield M1 Garand, Springfield M14/M1A (and some 1911A1's as well) so my next venture would likely be an M1 Carbine. Except, I'm like you, budget. But, in do time it will happen. I would just like to have as far back as time and money will take me would be U.S. Military small arms. Personally I would like to have both.

Fate
03-09-2012, 6:09 AM
SVT-40 for $700 is pretty unheard of these days. Nice!

prob
03-10-2012, 2:14 PM
SVT-40 = Crude Russian manufacturing. I simply can't see how people get such high prices for those things as most look like cheap junk.

M1 carbine = Quality American manufacturing and fun easy shooting for the whole family.

Fate
03-11-2012, 10:20 AM
What are you talking about? The SVT-40 isn't crudely manufactured. Have you actually ever held one in your hands? You sound blinded by Commiehate.

SKSer45
03-11-2012, 10:29 AM
SVT-40 = Crude Russian manufacturing. I simply can't see how people get such high prices for those things as most look like cheap junk.

M1 carbine = Quality American manufacturing and fun easy shooting for the whole family.

but that is the idea. Crude but yet so effective and cheap to shoot. Yeah why the commiehate?

I agree on the American Stuff but a good rifle is a good rifle whether it was made in Springfield armory or Tula Factory.

NYsteveZ
03-11-2012, 10:48 AM
Ive owned an SVT-40 and it is a FAR cry from "crude junk". They arent as common as SKS, AKs etc. and because they were so complicated to the stupid conscripts, Russia went back to producing Mosins. The SVT was ahead of its time, and a very nice firearm to boot. I can understand if you were speaking of AK's, but even some of them are nice pieces.

Fate
03-11-2012, 1:52 PM
Furthermore, the piston design of the SVT-40 has been copied and reused in other modern firearms including many of the new AR-15 piston offerings currently being sold.

SKSer45
03-11-2012, 2:07 PM
Furthermore, the piston design of the SVT-40 has been copied and reused in other modern firearms including many of the new AR-15 piston offerings currently being sold.

and after the SVT-40 came the SKS!!! :)