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big103
02-12-2012, 2:21 PM
This is that m39 I snatched a while back for $130 at the gun show. Well took it apart the other day and found the inside of the stock was full of mold maybe mildew. Any way it looks like the gun was in moisture some were.


So i`m thinking maybe Clorox clean up to kill it and keep it from coming back again, what are your guys thought. Here are a couple pics.

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/phonepics042.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/phonepics043.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics761.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics775.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics771.jpg

big103
02-12-2012, 2:24 PM
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics786.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics781.jpg

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TRAP55
02-12-2012, 4:00 PM
That stock needs some TLC!
I would go for a full refinish, 0000 steel wool and lacquer thinner scrub down inside and out, steam the dents, and a Finwax finish, inside and out.
The lacquer thinner will kill the mold.

G-Man WC
02-12-2012, 5:04 PM
Nice find on the Puolustuslaitos 103!
Intresting that it's stamped both Puolustuslaitos and [SA].
"PUOLUSTUSLAITOS" meaning "Defense Department" which was only used for two months in 1942 before being replaced with the "boxed SA".
She looks a bit rough now, but hey it's another project and will clean up fine. :balloon:
Back in the day I would take oven cleaner to my new finds to remove cosmo, let it sit 10mins and rinse it in the shower under very hot water. Dry and room temp in summer or low low oven bake. Out of 10 I did one summer, I lost 2 stocks to warping.
I now user some orange stripper thats a lot more kind to the wood. I got a jug and your welcome to try it . -g

Blitzburgh
02-12-2012, 5:17 PM
Bleach won't completely kill any mold or mildew, but vinegar will. I've never used it on a gun stock though so proceed with caution!

pklin1297
02-12-2012, 7:28 PM
Be sure not to rinse in the shower, or anywhere you might be concerned with pipes clogging with cosmoline...

Read the refinishing thread that is currently going, good info there.

mosinnagantm9130
02-12-2012, 7:31 PM
That stock needs some TLC!
I would go for a full refinish, 0000 steel wool and lacquer thinner scrub down inside and out, steam the dents, and a Finwax finish, inside and out.
The lacquer thinner will kill the mold.

Be sure not to rinse in the shower, or anywhere you might be concerned with pipes clogging with cosmoline...

Read the refinishing thread that is currently going, good info there.

I wouldn't refinish a PL marked mosin, that's just me. Much too rare for that.

SVT-40
02-12-2012, 8:58 PM
No bleach, No stripper. Just a rag and some gun oil will remove what is on the surface. Nothing you can do will remove the mildew from deep inside the wood.

Don't try to "Improve" this collectable rifle just oil, a clean rag and time is all that is needed. If you sand, steel wool or use bleach you can kiss the real collector value of that rifle good bye.

If anything SPARINGLY use some brass wool with oil to remove what rust is visible from the metal.

NO BLEACH!!!!!!

Blitzburgh
02-12-2012, 9:59 PM
NO BLEACH!!!!!!

But a little vinegar. Will kill the mold completely and keep it from coming back.

:hide:

big103
02-13-2012, 12:19 AM
I wouldn't refinish a PL marked mosin, that's just me. Much too rare for that.

No bleach, No stripper. Just a rag and some gun oil will remove what is on the surface. Nothing you can do will remove the mildew from deep inside the wood.

Don't try to "Improve" this collectable rifle just oil, a clean rag and time is all that is needed. If you sand, steel wool or use bleach you can kiss the real collector value of that rifle good bye.

If anything SPARINGLY use some brass wool with oil to remove what rust is visible from the metal.

NO BLEACH!!!!!!




Well you know thanks for your help and all:rolleyes:. But I think i`m going to completely sand the stock down maybe cut off about 4-5 inches at the end of the stock. I`m going to completely sand the gun it`s self and put duracoat finish on it I may cut the barrel down just a little.

I think a black finish would look neat on it make it look like a tactical rifle. I think I will ad a Picatinny rail to it it with a scope and a light. Also going to put on this system that will allow me to hit a target a mile away and it communicates with a satellite system.

And at this point you don`t realize i`m trolling and making you cringing.:eek: Thinking I`m going to destroy this rifle like all the other knuckle heads out there that do it:(about it don`t worry i`m not Just wanted to make you guys cringe a little maybe faint. :p

Big thanks guys for the advice. Don`t worry nothing is going to be done to this rifle. Other then try in the least invasive way trying to get rid of the mold some how. Yeah the bleach sounds like a bad idea.


Here is a couple more pics and info. The bolt was bent pretty sure the fins never did this. The bolt head as you can see in the other pics is sand blasted neither done by me. Oh the receiver is a 1896 tula.


http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics766.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics785-1.jpg

big103
02-13-2012, 12:21 AM
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics767.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics770.jpg

CDFingers
02-13-2012, 5:48 AM
That's the most interesting hand guard repair I've seen. Nice score.

CDFingers

big103
02-13-2012, 12:55 PM
^^^ Yeah the hand guard has about 5 pieces of wood. and they used a pieces of fabric as backing to hold it together.

Flyin Brian
02-13-2012, 3:27 PM
^^^ Yeah the hand guard has about 5 pieces of wood. and they used a pieces of fabric as backing to hold it together.

I just got a 28-30 that has the exact same patch on the handguard... fugly.

I have a few spare M-39 hand guards so if you need one I can donate it to the cause :)

Fate
02-13-2012, 3:33 PM
I love old war horses like this. Glad to hear she won't be getting Bubba'd. I wouldn't mess with a PL rifle either.

rojocorsa
02-13-2012, 3:35 PM
Wait, so is this rifle worth more as a collect than a shooter?

big103
02-13-2012, 3:47 PM
I just got a 28-30 that has the exact same patch on the handguard... fugly.

I have a few spare M-39 hand guards so if you need one I can donate it to the cause :)

Thanks fly Brian for the offer I think i`m just going to leave it like that gives her character.

I`m not sure if it was ever rearsenaled after the war. I`m better sure the fins never sandblasted there bolts or bent them, pic included. If you have any more info on here that would be great. Did the fins leave some of there rifles as is after the war.

Oh the bore on her looks brand new.

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics772.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/big1031/pics763.jpg

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big103
02-13-2012, 3:52 PM
Wait, so is this rifle worth more as a collect than a shooter?

Maybe from what everyone is saying I don`t know enough about the fins to say so.

Flyin Brian
02-13-2012, 4:23 PM
To a Finn collector, the PL stamp is one of the most desirable stamps you can get... it's an instant "hell yes I want it" for any collector. The only bad part is the 1941 SAKO M39s are probably the most common rifles to see the PL stamp on. This is probably because they were being built right at the same time the stamp was in put into use so they probably got stamped before leaving SAKO. There is a fairly clear serial number range of SAKO M39s between 204,200 and 209,600 that have the PL stamp. However, there are a few in the range that didn't get the stamp, so that makes it even more of a mystery.

The Finns never bent bolts like that so yeah this one has been messed with but it shouldn't be too hard to get it back looking pretty, it's definitely not something un-fixable like drilling for a scope mount or chopping the barrel.

big103
02-13-2012, 10:14 PM
Thanks Brian