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CHS
02-10-2012, 10:22 AM
So first, we had no extra "safety card" requirements for purchasing handguns in CA.

Then, we had the BFSC, and we were told not to worry because it lasts for life.

Then, they invalidated the "good for life" BFSC and replaced it with the HSC which is only good for 5 years but still not required for the actual possession/ownership of a handgun.

So given California's history of requiring more and more gun control, when do you think the HSC will be invalidated and replaced with something like a handgun owner registration card; something similar to the IL FOID card?

Many people have said that laws like this will be presumptively lawful, even under Heller. The question is, when will it happen in CA? Immediately after the state is forced by the courts to go shall issue? (it would ensure that 'felons and criminals' aren't getting CCW's, will be the politicians excuses). Before then? Sometime after long gun registration is enacted and shown to be a rousing success by the legislature?

ojisan
02-10-2012, 10:41 AM
A new Firearms Ownership Card system is in development now.
The new card will be required for all gun owners.
It will be like a driver's license with your picture, a serialized number and a magnetic strip that will need to be scanned at every gun or ammo purchase.
The scan will link to CA DOJ and a background check will be done at the time of every gun or ammo purchase.
The purchase of all guns and ammo will be permanently recorded.
Cards will be good for only one year, each card renewal will require a 48-hour refresher safety course and complete background check.
Annual card fee will be $500 to cover the costs of administration, the new cards, the data recording and background checks.
The safety refresher course fees are not included in the $500 annual card fee.

ETA: two weeks!

Gray Peterson
02-10-2012, 10:58 AM
Not gonna happen.

vantec08
02-10-2012, 10:58 AM
When? Well . .. . how about when the supreme power of the state requires:
An ownership card for owning a computer.
Including a photo ID, serial numbererd, and mag strip.
A background check to determine if someone ever obtained microsoft certification.
All computers stuff, including hardware, software, and printing paper will be permanently recorded.
Card will be good for one year, and renewal will require the latest microsoft refresher course.
Annual fee will be $500 to cover bureaucrats, cause they know better how to spend your money than you do.
The refresher microsoft course fee is not included.

same bill of rights, same logic

CHS
02-10-2012, 11:36 AM
Not gonna happen.

same bill of rights, same logic

Really?

Then why are IL's FOID, Chicago's and DC's registration schemes being upheld and not challenged? The Supreme Court said quite clearly in Heller that registration was very probably constitutional.

CHS
02-10-2012, 11:37 AM
And if it's not going to happen, why do we have Handgun and Long gun registration (2014) already?

bwiese
02-10-2012, 11:53 AM
Really?

Then why are IL's FOID, Chicago's and DC's registration schemes being upheld and not challenged? The Supreme Court said quite clearly in Heller that registration was very probably constitutional.


The one favorable outcome otherwise "kitchen sink" Heller II litigation said, 3-0, that long gun registration was very problematic.

Since certain aspects of CA gun laws won't go away/ not worth fighting, but may be re-shapeable, a 'blue card' system might well be useful for us in CA in achieving/implementing 2nd-thru-Nth waiting period reduction if courts don't carry us there directly.

Right now in CA there is really nothing demonstrating actual gun ownership/possession. Even the DROS system appears to not really indicate you actually picked up the gun in question. Volreg has similar limitations.

wildhawker
02-10-2012, 12:16 PM
Really?

Then why are IL's FOID, Chicago's and DC's registration schemes being upheld and not challenged? The Supreme Court said quite clearly in Heller that registration was very probably constitutional.

In addition to what Bill said, I think you're misreading the interplay between these issues. Unfortunately, we really can't go into explicit details online; this falls into the category of "ask us at a bar".

-Brandon

stix213
02-10-2012, 12:17 PM
I could see the CA legislature going this route after we win some significant victory, such as getting the semi-auto (AW) ban tossed or shall issue LTC. The purpose being for the anti's in the legislature to show their constituents that they are really trying to do something about those evil guns, they are doing all they can.