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Piratelife76
02-10-2012, 8:36 AM
Hi all,

I am pretty new to Calguns. I signed up because whenever I searched the internet all the best information always came from members of this sight. So my question is... Is it worth making my Mossberg 590a1 9 shot a 6 shot? It seems it would cost around $200 in parts from the factory. I bought the model with bead sights to keep it simple. I just have some buyer's remorse wondering if the 9 shot is too long for home defense. Would saving 2" be worth it for HD. Any thoughts from you all would be appreciated.

Thanks again for having me

jamesb25
02-10-2012, 8:39 AM
You could always sell the 590a1 for a decent price and then buy a 500 5 shot 18.5" barrel for less then 300 and have money left over to add to it such as flash lights, pistol grip stock, sights.

Piratelife76
02-10-2012, 10:36 AM
Do you think I would eat a big loss if I sold it. It is new in the box, even has the stickers on it.

Thanks for your reply jamesb25

Meatball
02-10-2012, 10:47 AM
If it just stays for HD, you could always put a pistol grip on it. It would give you the mobility you want with a shorter gun while keeping your mag tube the same size.

fixitoscar
02-10-2012, 10:59 AM
Personally I would just use a pistol grip if you want it shorter. Now if you don't want to go that route you can buy a mag tube,spring, and barrel from a 18.5" 500 and install it on your action.

shellslinger
02-10-2012, 11:14 AM
a Hogue 12" LOP stock would approximately cut off 2 inches of overall length, you can still maintain your 9 shot ability. Or you can just buy an adjustable stock.

Piratelife76
02-10-2012, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the Hogue idea, I think I will give this a try. I guess most of this started by listening too much to my friends who have 870's, they were arguing the superiority of there pumps being 18.5" and having ghost ring sights. Side note, shellslinger, I noticed in your pic you have a heatshield on your 590a1, how did you get it to fit?

Thanks again everybody

notoriousseg
02-10-2012, 11:54 AM
sorry, but i had a question... have you guys fired the Mossberg 590A1's and the Mossberg 500A's? was there a noticeable difference in recoil or smoothness of the actions? I've fired a 500A before but never had the chance to try out a 590A1.

i'm actually having the same dillemma right now. i like the new Blackwater Edition of the 590A1 but it does seem kind of long for home defense since it has a 20" barrel and 9 shot magazine tube. Turner's had a 500A Tactical on sale before which comes with a 18.5" breacher barrel. seems like a more viable option. but like i said, i'm wondering if the 590A1 comes with a smoother action or handles differently than the standard 500A.

shellslinger
02-10-2012, 12:22 PM
Thanks for the Hogue idea, I think I will give this a try. I guess most of this started by listening too much to my friends who have 870's, they were arguing the superiority of there pumps being 18.5" and having ghost ring sights. Side note, shellslinger, I noticed in your pic you have a heatshield on your 590a1, how did you get it to fit?

Thanks again everybody

Hahaha, I don't think 1.5" is really going to make a gun more "superior" than another.

I absolutely adore my 20" 590a1, I'm a relatively short guy and the 20" fits me just fine. Sorry, that is not my 590a1. My 590a1 does not have a heat shield but, Mossberglawenforcement.com or aimprotactical.com has heat shields that are specifically tailored to the heavy barrel of the 590a1's. They cost about $60.00. I honestly, don't think you really need a heat shield unless you intend on going to battle or firing hundreds of rounds out of your shotgun non-stop.

Piratelife76
02-10-2012, 12:47 PM
Thanks again everybody. Shellsinger, I looked up the Hogue stocks, if you have one did you buy the matching forend also? I think you are right about not needing the heat shield, I have to get out of the EOTW or SHTF mind set and just enjoy the thing. I feel kinda like a jack___ that I haven't even shot the thing yet.

shellslinger
02-10-2012, 1:29 PM
Sorry I dont have one either. But I held one that did have just the Hogue 12" LOP stock, it felt good and comfortable. Almost felt natural but that's just cause my body type.

I would definitely suggest you go out this weekend and shoot that beast. I promise you, you won't be disappointed. :)

Rob454
02-10-2012, 2:07 PM
The only time 1.5 inches makes a difference is if you are auditioning for a role in a porn movie

otherwise keep your shotgun. you can search and find a barrel mag and spring for less than $200. Way less than 200. You can get a 5 shot barrel 28 inch and cut it down. i cut a 28 inch down to 20 inch. Wasn;t sure if I wanted to go to 18.5 but if i do I can cut off another 1.5 inches. You can pick a 28-30 inch barrel up for 60-80 bucks. A mag tube can be had for 10-20 bucks and a spring 3-5 bucks.
Personally if you are gonna go through all your 6-9 shotgun rounds in a HD situation you got some major problems

Sicarius
02-10-2012, 2:41 PM
I would say it is not worth spending the money to change your 590 from being a 590. The 200 bucks or so is better spent towards an additional shotgun but idealy training and ammo. 1.5 isn't a huuuge difference though noticeable. Nothing that you can't work around with some proper training. A good upgrade on the 590 is the metal safety. Mine wore out and started to engage itself when I would rack the slide. Just a bit frustrating. The 870 is a wonderful pump too. In some ways it may be superior to the 590 for a right handed person but nothing really to brag about over the 500/590. Both in the right hands will do the same job.
Kevin

Tripper
02-10-2012, 2:53 PM
Sorry, I have both 500 and 590a1, but cant comment on diff's yet, I do agree training on what you have would be the best idea, dont cut down anything.
If you really want a shorter barrel, get a 500 as suggested. sell the 590 to fund it along with some good HD accessories like light and such and training.

Speaking of which

I think you all just determined my next Front Sight Training course for me.
Shotgun, now to decide 500 or 590a1, since i have both

I just thought, if your willing to spend 200 bucks on just the barrel replacement, I've seen 500's here in the firearms for sale section go for 300 and less. Big 5, for 300 with 2 barrels i think, just buy you a new 500 and have both, shoot both, then decide which you want to use for HD


just seen this
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=531996
240 i think

Databyter
02-10-2012, 3:23 PM
Hi all,

I am pretty new to Calguns. I signed up because whenever I searched the internet all the best information always came from members of this sight. So my question is... Is it worth making my Mossberg 590a1 9 shot a 6 shot? It seems it would cost around $200 in parts from the factory. I bought the model with bead sights to keep it simple. I just have some buyer's remorse wondering if the 9 shot is too long for home defense. Would saving 2" be worth it for HD. Any thoughts from you all would be appreciated.

Thanks again for having me

It's not too long unless you llve in a boat.

You are only realistically talking about a difference of about 2" from the 18" barrel to the 20" barrel. The difference is in weight and capacity, and for my money I like both of those things in a HD shotgun.

You can pistol grip it for tight quarters and make it more like a boat gun, but personally I hate the grip angles made for most shotguns. I'd rather just take a hacksaw to the stock and make it shorter, but the same angle, that would cost you about $0.

My advice. Practice using it without putting it on your shoulder. It doesn't stick out much when you aren't shouldering it and you should be very accurate for in-home distances hip shooting around door frames etc. Of course if it is farther, you have time and space to shoulder it nicely.

I have the full length 590-a1 and my place is not big. I admit I'd probably grab the pistol first for in house, but my 20" barrel 590-a1 would have no problems negotiating my house at mid chest level where I would fire it from, almost half the gun being behind me and the rest in front allows for a lot of lattitude in tight turns and halls and it would make a good club too.

The 6 shot version is for all practical purposes the same length minus 2", a bit more handy to be sure, but not enough to get rid of your full sized version.

You can remove or shorten the stock if you want it shorter, that is your best bet. Or practice using it mid body, off of the shoulder, where you have a lot of flexibility moving through tight spots.

Of course if you did shorten the magazine, which is a terrible idea compared to just selling the gun used and buying the one you want, you could cut the barrel down to 18" which I believe is the shortest legally allowed. It's not a big deal to put a bead on the front by yourself, Just drill and tap or glue.

You have a fine weapon there. I'd leave it as is and either keep it or sell it.

greybeard
02-10-2012, 4:04 PM
I tend to hate pistol grips, but you can get an adjustable stock with pistol grip, those I like.

Richard Erichsen
02-10-2012, 5:06 PM
Hi all,

I am pretty new to Calguns. I signed up because whenever I searched the internet all the best information always came from members of this sight. So my question is... Is it worth making my Mossberg 590a1 9 shot a 6 shot? It seems it would cost around $200 in parts from the factory. I bought the model with bead sights to keep it simple. I just have some buyer's remorse wondering if the 9 shot is too long for home defense. Would saving 2" be worth it for HD. Any thoughts from you all would be appreciated.

Thanks again for having me

No, it is not. The shorter 18.5" barreled version is a six shot and the magazine lug is closer to the receiver for the shorter magazine tube. The eight shot is a 20" (let's not support Mossberg's notion of "7" shot or "9" shot because you can have one in the chamber) and further away from the receiver. By the time you buy all the parts, you could have just sold or traded for what you want.

The shorter shotgun is the handier of the two, six shots is plenty (real HD scenarios are 3 or fewer shots fired at 3-7 yards), you'll have little trouble selling or trading your current shotgun for the shorter model.

R

midvalleyshooter
02-10-2012, 5:15 PM
I have a short stock set that will fit a Mossberg 590. It is new as I put it on my 590 then went back to the original then sold the 590.

PM me if you want pics, I will make you a good deal on it.

Keith

Mr. Beretta
02-10-2012, 9:01 PM
Databyter

"Of course if you did shorten the magazine, which is a terrible idea compared to just selling the gun used and buying the one you want, you could cut the barrel down to 16" which I believe is the shortest legally allowed".


Ding Ding Ding !!!!

Shortest legal barrel length on a non AOW shotgun is 18" !!!!!

Plus overall length of shotgun MUST be 26" or longer!

Richard Erichsen
02-11-2012, 6:09 AM
Databyter

"Of course if you did shorten the magazine, which is a terrible idea compared to just selling the gun used and buying the one you want, you could cut the barrel down to 16" which I believe is the shortest legally allowed".


Ding Ding Ding !!!!

Shortest legal barrel length on a non AOW shotgun is 18" !!!!!

Plus overall length of shotgun MUST be 26" or longer!

Someone was paying attention. I think there may be some confusion between legal RIFLE barrel length and SHOTGUN barrel length and the overall length requirement, none of which are things that should be casually approached.

R

Databyter
02-11-2012, 9:52 AM
Databyter

"Of course if you did shorten the magazine, which is a terrible idea compared to just selling the gun used and buying the one you want, you could cut the barrel down to 16" which I believe is the shortest legally allowed".


Ding Ding Ding !!!!

Shortest legal barrel length on a non AOW shotgun is 18" !!!!!

Plus overall length of shotgun MUST be 26" or longer!

Thanks for the correction. I did not know that.

I must be thinking 16" from the AR types.

To be fair I suggested that "I think it's the shortest allowed" Obviously there was a question there.

It's good to be on this forum where I can be corrected and learn something new. :)

john doe
02-11-2012, 10:44 AM
i have a 26inch barrel mossberg 600 and ive somehow managed to train myself to use it in my house..lol..but now my primary hd gun is my ar and my glock..i think you should keep 590a1 the way you bought it at least i would..9 shots is way better then six

AngelZ3R0
02-11-2012, 11:59 AM
KEEP IT. my 500 persuader with knoxx stock does it job plus more

Brandon04GT
02-11-2012, 1:01 PM
I have the 18.5" model and recently installed an Aimpro/Hogue 13" LOP stock and like it a lot. I'm glad I didn't go with the 12 LOP version but I do see how it has it's advantages especially if you are shooting with body armor on or what not.

Piratelife76
02-11-2012, 7:16 PM
Thanks for all the great info, especially about the porn shoots, i'll keep it in mind for my next audition. Can I ask any of you how to post a picture to go along with my member name? I have been looking... not a slacker, thanks for any help

Richard Erichsen
02-11-2012, 8:09 PM
i have a 26inch barrel mossberg 600 and ive somehow managed to train myself to use it in my house..lol..but now my primary hd gun is my ar and my glock..i think you should keep 590a1 the way you bought it at least i would..9 shots is way better then six

Technically, it's an '8' shot, because that's how many shells the tube holds, not nine. They count the 9th by assuming you'll keep one chambered, which I don't agree with for storing for HD use (I prefer "cruiser ready" - chamber empty, safety off, hammer down, slide locked or taped) and doubly so for advertising a shell capacity.

Six shots is all you'd really need for a real HD scenario. I'm also a believer in revolvers vs. semi-autos for the same reason, particularly as far as weapons handling is concerned and especially so for less trained members of the household that might only go to the range once a year to keep up basic familiarity.

Statistically HD is a 2-3 shot proposition and for good reason. At 3-7 yards if it takes more than a couple shots to get the job done, the short distances between you and the assailant means that if you missed completely you may be dead before you can fire another shell, or your assailant may have made a hasty retreat and managed to run/scamper away, possibly seriously wounded or at least terrified by their brush with the business end of your shotgun. If you are presented with a clear target at these ranges and somehow miss, between recovery time from recoil and for pumps the additional time it takes to stroke the action, you'd have a hard time emptying the magazine before the target is either down or has managed to find their way through the nearest door or window to save themselves. In most states once they are outside of your house and fleeing, further pursuit or putting another shot in their backs would not be legally defensible. Situations involving multiple thugs coming in through several doors and windows simultaneously just don't happen and if it were even measurably more common, you're going to have much bigger problems tactically than your shell count in the magazine. Statistics show that home invasions while the homeowner and their families are actually home are already exceedingly rare.

R

Richard Erichsen
02-11-2012, 8:18 PM
Thanks for all the great info, especially about the porn shoots, i'll keep it in mind for my next audition. Can I ask any of you how to post a picture to go along with my member name? I have been looking... not a slacker, thanks for any help

Based on the reply above, we might all be more comfortable if you leave your profile as is. No sense waking up the mods to deal with "porn audition" photos uploaded for your avatar. ;)

R

rkt88edmo
02-11-2012, 8:18 PM
18.5" 590A1 is lighter because less barrel and less mag tube and less weight out forward which adds to the perceived weight.

I wouldn't mod your current gun though, just sell and buy a new one.

BigBoyPinoy
02-11-2012, 8:28 PM
Pistol grip SGs.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/kengulo/1328396957140.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/kengulo/1328396896020.jpg

Or get the one here on top.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/kengulo/Shotguns/cda57c6b.jpg

BrokerB
02-11-2012, 9:01 PM
Ghost rings on a "hd model" make me chuckle

Databyter
02-11-2012, 9:31 PM
Ghost rings on a "hd model" make me chuckle

Why?

I have Ghost rings on an HD model and it works just fine.

And when I go shooting slugs in the desert it is a great system to have.

I haven't quite mastered them for trap though. I'd prefer open sights for that.

In a home with a shotgun you really don't need sights at all, so it doesn't matter what kind they are.

prc77
02-12-2012, 5:38 AM
It's not too long unless you llve in a boat.

You are only realistically talking about a difference of about 2" from the 18" barrel to the 20" barrel. The difference is in weight and capacity, and for my money I like both of those things in a HD shotgun.

You can pistol grip it for tight quarters and make it more like a boat gun, but personally I hate the grip angles made for most shotguns. I'd rather just take a hacksaw to the stock and make it shorter, but the same angle, that would cost you about $0.

My advice. Practice using it without putting it on your shoulder. It doesn't stick out much when you aren't shouldering it and you should be very accurate for in-home distances hip shooting around door frames etc. Of course if it is farther, you have time and space to shoulder it nicely.

I have the full length 590-a1 and my place is not big. I admit I'd probably grab the pistol first for in house, but my 20" barrel 590-a1 would have no problems negotiating my house at mid chest level where I would fire it from, almost half the gun being behind me and the rest in front allows for a lot of lattitude in tight turns and halls and it would make a good club too.

The 6 shot version is for all practical purposes the same length minus 2", a bit more handy to be sure, but not enough to get rid of your full sized version.

You can remove or shorten the stock if you want it shorter, that is your best bet. Or practice using it mid body, off of the shoulder, where you have a lot of flexibility moving through tight spots.

Of course if you did shorten the magazine, which is a terrible idea compared to just selling the gun used and buying the one you want, you could cut the barrel down to 16" which I believe is the shortest legally allowed. big deal to put a bead on the front by yourself, Just drill and tap or glue.

You have a fine weapon there. I'd leave it as is and either keep it or sell it.

The shortest you barrel can have ,,,legally and without being a NFA or AOW is 18"

Databyter
02-12-2012, 9:50 AM
FUD The shortest you barrel can have ,,,legally and without being a NFA or AOW is 18"

No **** Sherlock.

Read the thread.

As I mentioned I thought it was 16.

I was already corrected, and already thanked THAT relatively polite person.

I do appreciate the correction, as it educates myself as well as others reading.

But the FONT is kinda unecessary and rude.

And frankly comes off as opportunistic and arrogant.

Especially considering that there are already three posts right after mine that acknowledge the correct size, including one of my own that you must have read.

And FUD, assuming you actually know what it means, was not applicable here.

I was simply incorrect in my guess, and I put it forward as a guess.

FUD has nothing to do with it.

You did remind me to edit the original post however so you can rest easy tonight, once you get off your high horse.

Have a nice day.

prc77
02-12-2012, 11:16 AM
No **** Sherlock.

Read the thread.

As I mentioned I thought it was 16.

I was already corrected, and already thanked THAT relatively polite person.

I do appreciate the correction, as it educates myself as well as others reading.

But the FONT is kinda unecessary and rude.

And frankly comes off as opportunistic and arrogant.

Especially considering that there are already three posts right after mine that acknowledge the correct size, including one of my own that you must have read.

And FUD, assuming you actually know what it means, was not applicable here.

I was simply incorrect in my guess, and I put it forward as a guess.

FUD has nothing to do with it.

You did remind me to edit the original post however so you can rest easy tonight, once you get off your high horse.

Have a nice day.

First you "Believed" it to be legal. Now you have changed that to "Forwarding a guess" If your NOT sure, take the time to MAKE sure.

Databyter
02-12-2012, 11:40 AM
First you "Believed" it to be legal. Now you have changed that to "Forwarding a guess" If your NOT sure, take the time to MAKE sure.

It is clear in the way it was worded that I was not sure.

The important thing was the method of modification that was the point of that sentence.

I was corrected in the very next posts and thanked those people for adding the correct information.

And that was yesterday.

If you read my post, you read theirs.

The Font was unecessary, but I don't want to fight about it.

It just seemed net-etiqutte rude to me as the inaccuracy was already resolved and your post served no purpose other than pumping yourself up.

I'm done with this issue. Let the thread resume it's purpose, if any.