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Twist18
02-09-2012, 11:51 PM
I was just watching an episode of "Wild Justice" on National Geographic TV, and someone needs to inform their Game Wardens what the law is regarding loaded magazines. In the episode, a Game Warden stops a truck, and asks them if they have any guns. The guy in the truck admits to having a .22, its a Ruger pistol. He tells the officer it was not loaded. The officer inspects the gun, and tells the man that "the magazine is a part of the gun, and if the magazine is loaded, the gun is considered loaded, even if the magazine is the glove compartment, and the gun is in a completely different part of the truck". Kind of a condensed version of what happened, but its scary that this Game Warden doesn't know the law!

Librarian
02-10-2012, 12:02 AM
Seems to me that's a repeat - we've seen that one before.

No, the F&G officers show no evidence of recent training...

rivraton
02-10-2012, 12:14 AM
They know nothing of the mining laws either, I watched one episode where they harassed miners that had all required permits and were operating completely within the law. These "protectors of the environment" threatened the guys with all sorts of bogus "violations" but in the end absolutely no charges were ever filed...

Get3CoffinsReady
02-10-2012, 12:39 AM
do you even have to answer that question? Or are their special rules when traveling through hunting grounds?

M1A Rifleman
02-10-2012, 9:53 AM
I saw that one. Worse was when they busted a guy at his home, claiming that the loaded rifles in the back of his pick-up truck IN HIS DRIVEWAY , was a violation.

Nahuatl
02-10-2012, 10:22 AM
Actually, yes there are different rules for a "loaded" and "unloaded" gun when you're hunting. Of course, don't lean the rifle up against the pickup, that's another crime.

My favorite is the two night-vision equipped gun-slinging FL wildlife officers busting three pickups full of felonious alligator feeders. "Drop the marshmallows and put up your hands!" (deliberately misquoted)

It costs about $250,000 a year to field each of those "officers."

MudCamper
02-10-2012, 3:44 PM
Ah you are talking about Warden Beal. California's finest! :rolleyes:

Here's the OLD thread on it: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=374053

Mstrty
02-10-2012, 3:57 PM
Kind of a condensed version of what happened, but its scary that this Game Warden doesn't know the law!

No news here. Im not cop bashing. There are thousands of laws, exemptions, exclusions. You cant expect every LEO to know each and every law. Just lay your head down tonight knowing you are more informed than he on what is and is not a loaded firearm.

cdtx2001
02-10-2012, 6:04 PM
Yet another reason to not to admit to anything nor consent to any searches.

ar15robert
02-10-2012, 6:38 PM
Those guys make CHP look like fairys.

I use to go lobster diving in laguna and been checked a couple times for under sized never a problem as all were legal sized but 1 i got was a barely legal the guage didnt drop but was hanging as close as you can get.

Warden looks at it measures it and tells me it may not be legal after he also guages it same deal it hangs but dont drop i tell him it doesnt drop its good let it go.He then tries to push hard to make it drop instead he breaks the carapace on the lobster forcing guage to drop.He stands up and tells me that he will "let me slide".But overall he was just trying to get a violation no matter what tried to make a legal catch into an illegal one.

There are some cool ones but most tend to be ones who want to bust you no matter what it takes.This guy was one of them others have just checked and went on with their night.

As for the wild justice show yes that beals guy is a deek for sure he definitely goes out of his way to be one too.One of the older guys seems pretty cool though

Jack L
02-11-2012, 7:44 AM
I saw that one. Worse was when they busted a guy at his home, claiming that the loaded rifles in the back of his pick-up truck IN HIS DRIVEWAY , was a violation.

That dude may have been a felon and there was meth in his house too not to mention animal parts in question. The loaded magazine BS on the other guy as noted above in another post was really a screw up by the F&G Warden. They have a web sight on line. Someone with writing skills could send an email to their Contact US email.

Arcaporale
02-11-2012, 9:33 AM
They know nothing of the mining laws either, I watched one episode where they harassed miners that had all required permits and were operating completely within the law. These "protectors of the environment" threatened the guys with all sorts of bogus "violations" but in the end absolutely no charges were ever filed...

The part in that episode when one officer tells his partner to "tactically advance" as they sneak up on the mining camp left me laughing for hours. It sounded like something that I or my friend would have said when we were 8 years old playing army men in the backyard. He literally was whining like a child as he said it.

Watching that episode gave me the impression that those DFG officers can't draw a distinction between playing army men and upholding the law.

Then they way he talked to the miner sounded basically like: "I'm gonna go tell mommy (state of California) on you, and your gonna be in big trouble for some laws I actually can't cite and probably have no business enforcing as a game warden".

Some of those guys seem pretty cool and I am for some of the work they do, but the younger guys especially seem so childish it's bizarre to me how they could ever be hired as law enforcement officers.

cmichini
02-11-2012, 9:34 AM
Maybe the DFG person worked at a gun store on their off time, and some FUDtard spread into their other job.

Jack L
02-11-2012, 11:16 AM
F&G Warden is a really dangerous job. Some of the lawless characters they apprehend are scary. I give them credit for having the guts to go out there at night with hardly any backup knowing most poachers are armed. I do think they need some firearm laws training and to not be so jacked up on scene like some of them are. It’s a good show I think. Freaks me out how many poachers are in the bush, some with drugs, some are felons, some are just dumb kids too.

BigDogatPlay
02-11-2012, 11:23 AM
The loaded magazine BS on the other guy as noted above in another post was really a screw up by the F&G Warden. They have a web sight on line. Someone with writing skills could send an email to their Contact US email.

Yes it was a screw up... it's amazing how foolish trained peace officers can be when they are showing off for a camera crew. To wit, in some officer safety presentations that I've been to they screen incidents from COPS as examples of how to get fired... because the officer in the selected incident was fired because of what the camera crew captured.

As to writing DFG.... they won't care. This video is 2 plus years in the past, and their institutional mindset seems to have evolved to 'we can do whatever we think / want because we are protecting the resource'. Suffice to say that some of the things I hear about from LEOs in other state agencies about what some wardens are up to at times curls what little hair I have left.

dieselpower
02-11-2012, 1:58 PM
I like the episode where they watch 12 divers fish out Abalone. Then watch them while driving away to a Casino, do some gambling, then put all the Abalone into one car. They then bust the people in the car stating its illegal for 4 people to have that many Abalone... So I am not allowed to give my legally hunted game away hours after the hunt....miles from the area I was in... and who was guilty of that crime? The driver, the passengers...the guys in the other cars...the people still gambling???

I also liked it when the first F&G Officer rushed out of his car, ran over to the suspects car, ripped open the door and took a cell-phone away from a passenger in the car...all before Identifying himself. Yes he was in uniform...and I can buy that uniform, and the lights he used to pull them over on e-bay....as we all know.

bigcalidave
02-11-2012, 5:20 PM
F&G Warden is a really dangerous job. Some of the lawless characters they apprehend are scary. I give them credit for having the guts to go out there at night with hardly any backup knowing most poachers are armed. I do think they need some firearm laws training and to not be so jacked up on scene like some of them are. Itís a good show I think. Freaks me out how many poachers are in the bush, some with drugs, some are felons, some are just dumb kids too.

Does that give them permission or leeway in all the incorrect violations they create? We hear about DFG issues every day. The things that they encounter every day include firearms, so they should know the majority of the laws they pretend to enforce. The whole "dangerous job" thing isn't an excuse, they chose that line of work.

ubet
02-11-2012, 5:42 PM
No news here. Im not cop bashing. There are thousands of laws, exemptions, exclusions. You cant expect every LEO to know each and every law. Just lay your head down tonight knowing you are more informed than he on what is and is not a loaded firearm.

See their is the problem, the only ones not REQUIRED to know the law, are the ones ENFORCING IT!:facepalm:

MudCamper
02-11-2012, 10:58 PM
their institutional mindset seems to have evolved to 'we can do whatever we think / want because we are protecting the resource'.

This definitely seems to be where it's headed. The old-timer wardens were hunters and fisherman themselves, but that is not true anymore. Now they're wannabe cops brainwashed with big city environmentalist ideas.

rugershooter
02-11-2012, 11:53 PM
No news here. Im not cop bashing. There are thousands of laws, exemptions, exclusions. You cant expect every LEO to know each and every law. Just lay your head down tonight knowing you are more informed than he on what is and is not a loaded firearm.

Yet we, the lowly citizens subjects are expected to know every single f**king law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, remeber? :mad:

Carnivore
02-12-2012, 12:48 AM
I like the episode where they watch 12 divers fish out Abalone. Then watch them while driving away to a Casino, do some gambling, then put all the Abalone into one car. They then bust the people in the car stating its illegal for 4 people to have that many Abalone... So I am not allowed to give my legally hunted game away hours after the hunt....miles from the area I was in... and who was guilty of that crime? The driver, the passengers...the guys in the other cars...the people still gambling???

I also liked it when the first F&G Officer rushed out of his car, ran over to the suspects car, ripped open the door and took a cell-phone away from a passenger in the car...all before Identifying himself. Yes he was in uniform...and I can buy that uniform, and the lights he used to pull them over on e-bay....as we all know.I saw that episode too, it was 4 divers that can have 3 a piece. They took 48 :facepalm: some times the wardens get it right. That time they did. Now as for the idiot running up and grabbing the phone...ya not right at all even though I understand why it still isn't right.

Personal file: at the time I worked for LA sheriff department but traveling though Nor Cal I shot a deer along side the road hit by a truck and suffering. Didn't take it and I even called DFG and road services. Was issued a ticket for poaching anyway. They are D*cks as much as they can be just to prove "THEY ARE IN CHARGE"! Honestly, they are want-a-be cops.

Jack L
02-12-2012, 8:07 AM
This definitely seems to be where it's headed. The old-timer wardens were hunters and fisherman themselves, but that is not true anymore. Now they're wannabe cops brainwashed with big city environmentalist ideas.

There is some truth to that and also the environment has become a lot more dangerous. When I was a child lifeguards at the beach did not have a handgun, now some do as do park rangers. Times change and it appears it takes time to catch up with the changes for some of these professions. The department of F&G should watch these films before they give the ok to show them on the tube. There must be someone up in Sacto who has his S*** together to screen the film.

Barkoff
02-12-2012, 4:13 PM
I hate to say it, but one of the officers that taught my CCW class (a nice guy, and not anti) told the class that we were not allowed to drive through a school zone even in possession of a CCW.

Citizens with CCWs if relatively new, and many officers of the law are learning along with us. In my case I didn't argue, I came back to this board, got the skinny, and then approached him when he was alone and told him what I believed I had learned. Didn't tell him I was right and he was wrong, I asked him to look into it and let me know if my interpretation of the law was correct....and now he knows.

BigDogatPlay
02-12-2012, 10:07 PM
This definitely seems to be where it's headed. The old-timer wardens were hunters and fisherman themselves, but that is not true anymore. Now they're wannabe cops brainwashed with big city environmentalist ideas.

Fixed that for you..... ;)

There is some truth to that and also the environment has become a lot more dangerous. When I was a child lifeguards at the beach did not have a handgun, now some do as do park rangers.

State Parks Lifeguards and State Park Rangers are all peace officers, they go to the same academy. Their training diverges once they finish the academy and go in service.

The department of F&G should watch these films before they give the ok to show them on the tube. There must be someone up in Sacto who has his S*** together to screen the film.

Again... they don't care. The department command staff is overseen by, in part, rabid environmentalists. The old line wardens and field supervisors are retiring and being replaced by a younger generation which is being directed based upon political agenda, not supporting hunters and fishermen.