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zhyla
02-06-2012, 6:35 AM
So I won this ebay auction at a fairly low bid ($50) with no competing bids last night. I don't know that much about the Type 30 bayonets, just wanted one to go with my Type 99 rifle. Is the plated scabbard normal? Seems odd.

I'm a little suspicious that I don't know something I should. Either that or I was the only person not watching the superbowl yesterday. The price is great and I'm happy with the condition in the photos, just seems fishy.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WWII-JAPANESE-ARISAKA-TYPE-30-SWORD-BAYONET-TOKYO-KOKURA-ARSENAL-PLATED-SCABBARD-/00/s/NDc2WDI3Nw==/$(KGrHqF,!icE8Zh7pjM)BPLhm(GVj!~~60_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WWII-JAPANESE-ARISAKA-TYPE-30-SWORD-BAYONET-TOKYO-KOKURA-ARSENAL-PLATED-SCABBARD-/00/s/NDY0WDQ0MA==/$(KGrHqN,!mEE8Lkme5u3BPLiLtiOVQ~~60_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WWII-JAPANESE-ARISAKA-TYPE-30-SWORD-BAYONET-TOKYO-KOKURA-ARSENAL-PLATED-SCABBARD-/00/s/MjcyWDQ4MA==/$(KGrHqRHJ!wE8e4rWULNBPLi2i87j!~~60_12.JPG

Geologyjohn
02-06-2012, 7:11 AM
Its an old Japanese Type 30 bayonet. Appropriate for both the Type 38 rifle and the Type 99 rifle. That early style is very common and typically sells for around $75., if all correct
It should not be chrome plated. Can you imagine soldiers going into battle with chrome plated gear? Bubba got to it after the war.

zhyla
02-06-2012, 8:45 AM
So his story about it being a "rare plated scabbard" probably not so accurate :).

I'm hoping the blade hasn't also been chromed, those from the lousy pics I think it probably is. I see some shiny Type 30 bayonets and some dark, not sure if some were blued and some weren't? Starting to regret this purchase... I really just wanted something cheap and rough to match the rifle itself.

Vlad 11
02-06-2012, 9:30 AM
Kind of looks to me that the scabbard has had the finish buffed off. :facepalm: Hard to tell with the blade.

Chalk it up as a lesson. Hopefully you can get your money out of it and spent another $25.
You should be able to find a decent one non-boinked @ 75 as said before

Sampachi
02-06-2012, 9:42 AM
There are a lot more Chinese fakes out on the market these days. Even fakes from India. From the pictures you posted, I can't really tell. Blade looks dinged up and scabbard is not correct.

Geologyjohn
02-06-2012, 9:50 AM
The scabbard IS correct, just post war chrome plated. There were a variety of Type 30 bayonet scabbards during the War (and pre-War). The scabbard shown is the correct one for this early style blade.

Paulie Lugnuts
02-06-2012, 12:35 PM
Here's a pic of ours. My son bought it and I believe its correct for our T99.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg135/paulruggeri/Jacksonville%20AR%20Gunshow%20Finds/ArisakaBayo2.jpg

zhyla
02-06-2012, 1:05 PM
Thanks guys. Rather than cancel the purchase I think I'm just going to see how it is when it gets here. It was after all only $50, at that price I'd be happy with no scabbard. Those pictures couldn't be blurrier though, hope there are no surprises...

Spiggy
02-06-2012, 10:14 PM
I think you should get some clearer photos. The pictures only show a type 30 bayonet, not so much the details that matter (such as condition, markings, and even the mystery behind the "chrome" scabbard)

Type 30's came in a lot of different variations due to their long manufacturing time. Practices in manufacturing change as upgrades, simplification, and shortcuts start taking effect.

Very least, a decent wall hanger.

Personally, I could use an additional original scabbard in my collection. I have one with the head ripped out from when it was forcibly removed from it's leatherware.

Cummins_Powered
02-06-2012, 10:29 PM
Here's a pic of ours. My son bought it and I believe its correct for our T99.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg135/paulruggeri/Jacksonville%20AR%20Gunshow%20Finds/ArisakaBayo2.jpg



Looks exactly like the one i have for my type 99, which my grandfather brought back from the pacific.

Sampachi
02-07-2012, 10:48 AM
The scabbard IS correct, just post war chrome plated. There were a variety of Type 30 bayonet scabbards during the War (and pre-War). The scabbard shown is the correct one for this early style blade.

I'm not entirely sure it is correct for that particular arsenal. I know that is splitting hairs, but some collectors really get into it.

I would keep it. You really don't see bayonets going for $50 anymore, even at flea markets and garage sales. I did come across a $20 pole bayonet last year, but I think that was a once in a lifetime occurrence. :D

marysdad
02-08-2012, 5:40 PM
Chromed WW II souvenir items, bayonets, scabbards, Lugers, etc. are very common, because every decent sized US town used to have a bumper shop that did chrome plating. I'd just keep it as-is and not worry about it. If you want a blued scabbard, that's a good reason to pick up another bayonet.;)

zhyla
02-17-2012, 8:21 PM
Ok, bayonet showed up today. Some pics below. There is a serial number on the pommel and some other random numbers on the tang on both sides. There are also some Japanese symbols on the tang in the middle on the side with the "8", but I'd need to set up some better lighting to get any kind of photo of them.

The condition is ok, for $50 at least. The wood is intact and nothing is really pitted or anything. The hilt is actually shiny where it meets the scabbard, I assume it spent most of its time in the scabbard. The blade has a lot of black spots that feel rough. Some of it rubbed off but I haven't put much effort into it, just gave everything a gentle cleaning and oiled it. Any idea what these black spots are? It's not rust colored.

Any suggestions on cleaning the inside of the scabbard? I'm concerned there's rusty spots in it that will further stain the blade. I'm thinking hose it out with brake cleaner and then oil it really good.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/zhyla_/guns/IMG_3082.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/zhyla_/guns/IMG_3081.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/zhyla_/guns/IMG_3078.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/zhyla_/guns/IMG_3077.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/zhyla_/guns/IMG_3076.jpg