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delfino
02-03-2012, 7:34 PM
I'm thinking about selling my Swiss K1911 and my 1939 Terni Carcano (7.35mm) but was wondering if I can do a FTF transaction on them or do they need to got through an FFL? The stocks on both look like they were sized down on the front but they appear to be original. Not sure if these are still considered C&R anymore with the altered stocks. Here's a photo of the two (middle and bottom):

http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z397/pcsadt/cnrr1.jpg

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Latigo
02-03-2012, 7:44 PM
Unfortunately the k11 is sporterized, and that drops the value from $325 down to about $150.00 Is it still in 7.5x55, or is it a .308 conversion? Also, are there 4 tapped holes on the left rear of the receiver?

SKSer45
02-03-2012, 7:49 PM
what about the mauser hanging up above? Info on that?

rjf
02-03-2012, 7:52 PM
The carcano is a sporter also. You might get $100 for it.

Cash and carry on both.

Latigo
02-03-2012, 8:17 PM
And I forgot to answer your real question. Once the k11 is modified it no longer has C&R status.

mosinnagantm9130
02-03-2012, 8:41 PM
The carcano is a sporter also. You might get $100 for it.


If he's lucky...

CSACANNONEER
02-03-2012, 9:02 PM
And I forgot to answer your real question. Once the k11 is modified it no longer has C&R status.

Both guns are still OVER 50 YEARS old so, they should still be able to be sold FTF in CA. While it may loose it's C&R status because it's no longer a "curio" it is still a "relic".

aeromech
02-04-2012, 8:35 PM
This is my first time in this forum and I'm interested in finding out the details of the C&R rules. Can someone please spell it out for me? 50 years old and what other details are required to be able to just do a face to face transfer? Would something like an old .22 pump gallery gun qualify?

Variable2147
02-04-2012, 8:48 PM
For $150 I'll do a FTF on the 1911 anytime if you find yourself headed up to the SF Bay Area. I just bought 72lbs of gp-11 :D

CSACANNONEER
02-04-2012, 9:15 PM
This is my first time in this forum and I'm interested in finding out the details of the C&R rules. Can someone please spell it out for me? 50 years old and what other details are required to be able to just do a face to face transfer? Would something like an old .22 pump gallery gun qualify?

While the law is set to change, for now, in CA, any +50 year old long gun can be sold FTF without a DROS or going through a FFL UNLESS said gun is being sold by a FFL. IF that is the case, the gun must be DROSed and the 10 day wait applies. Yes, most gallery guns can be sold FTF between two Ca residents who are not FFLs (for this purpose an 03FFL is not considered a FFL just 01s and 07s as far as I know).

aeromech
02-07-2012, 12:51 PM
While the law is set to change, for now, in CA, any +50 year old long gun can be sold FTF without a DROS or going through a FFL UNLESS said gun is being sold by a FFL. IF that is the case, the gun must be DROSed and the 10 day wait applies. Yes, most gallery guns can be sold FTF between two Ca residents who are not FFLs (for this purpose an 03FFL is not considered a FFL just 01s and 07s as far as I know).

Thanks for the info, that's great news. Except for the part about the laws changing. When does that happen and what's changing?

hk91666
02-07-2012, 1:26 PM
Thanks for the info, that's great news. Except for the part about the laws changing. When does that happen and what's changing?

Jan 2014 search for AB809 I believe.

Latigo
02-08-2012, 2:48 PM
Both guns are still OVER 50 YEARS old so, they should still be able to be sold FTF in CA. While it may loose it's C&R status because it's no longer a "curio" it is still a "relic".

I have no idea what California laws are, but FEDERAL law says that an altered Swiss rifle no longer has C&R status. How do I know? I sure wasn't just guessing. :D So sayeth Missoula ATF.