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joefrank64k
02-02-2012, 8:13 PM
Hello again, everyone!

Just picked up this nice MAS 36 from another CG'r.

Bolt/Receiver match, bore is spotless, looks like an unissued sling, cool!

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/joefrank64k/993b8f6b.jpg
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/joefrank64k/1873318b.jpg
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/joefrank64k/9fe4e8b0.jpg
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http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/joefrank64k/bc86e5b6.jpg

Picked it up from CG'r Hellomoto. Let me tell you, he's a good college kid, really into C&R and milsurp, and he gives me hope that our beloved hobby/sport/passion/obsession/way-of-life is in good hands for the future.

:D

Cessnapilot89
02-02-2012, 8:19 PM
That is beautiful! Always wanted to play with those.

a1c
02-02-2012, 8:21 PM
I own a few of these. Hunt pigs with one of them.

Looks like a very nice refurbished type I conversion.

joefrank64k
02-02-2012, 8:32 PM
I own a few of these. Hunt pigs with one of them.

Looks like a very nice refurbished type I conversion.

Do you mean the Century .308 conversions, or were there other types of conversions? This example is still chambered in 7.5 French.

The action is slick and the rifle shoulders beautifully. I really can't wait to get it out to the range. Now I'm on the hunt for some 7.5 dies!

Okami
02-02-2012, 9:21 PM
Very nice rifle!
Can't wait to pick one up myself. :-)

C&Rtrader
02-02-2012, 9:57 PM
nice pickup... very underrated rifles. I really like the bayonet on these

lpspinner
02-02-2012, 10:03 PM
Beautiful! I have a few and love them!

smle-man
02-03-2012, 8:04 AM
Great underrated rifles and the cartridge too. Sighting them in can be a bother because the French method was to change the peep sight to zero it. There were a number of different peeps to correct for windage and elevation. Fortunately the front sight can be drifted in the dovetail for windage issues and you can place a piece of cardboard under the rear leaf to get zero'd elevation if you don't want to just set the slide for the corrected location if it is shooting low. The Lee dies work fine and you can make brass from 6.5 Swede cases. Just lube them up inside and out and run them through the 7.5 die. Have fun with your nice rifle!

joefrank64k
02-03-2012, 8:14 AM
Great underrated rifles and the cartridge too. Sighting them in can be a bother because the French method was to change the peep sight to zero it. There were a number of different peeps to correct for windage and elevation. Fortunately the front sight can be drifted in the dovetail for windage issues and you can place a piece of cardboard under the rear leaf to get zero'd elevation if you don't want to just set the slide for the corrected location if it is shooting low. The Lee dies work fine and you can make brass from 6.5 Swede cases. Just lube them up inside and out and run them through the 7.5 die. Have fun with your nice rifle!

OK, so the hunt is on for a set of surplus peep-sights! :D

Thanks for the intel on using 6.5 Swede cases...I've got a bunch of those lying around.

r3dn3ck
02-03-2012, 9:03 AM
gotta love french guns... unissued condition or just dropped once. Mine was just as pristine. rear locking lugs never made me happy and fuzzy though... swapped out for a different gun.

a1c
02-03-2012, 10:00 AM
Do you mean the Century .308 conversions, or were there other types of conversions? This example is still chambered in 7.5 French.

The action is slick and the rifle shoulders beautifully. I really can't wait to get it out to the range. Now I'm on the hunt for some 7.5 dies!

No, I'm talking about type 1 to type 2 conversions.

Type 1s were made until 1945. Type 2s had some improvements and changes made starting in 1945. The type 1s were then converted to include the type 2 improvements. The MAS 36s used at the beginning of the Indochina War were usually type 2s and converted type 1s.

Untouched type 1s are hard to find, and are usually bring backs or collector's pieces, sometimes held by civilians who didn't turn them in and then found their way to the US. I own a beautiful example of those. They can be found here and there. I was mad a few months ago when one popped up on gunbroker and the idiot seller refused to consider shipping it me (I have a FFL03). He got a ridiculously low price for it, because he didn't know what he had.

I'll post a little primer someday in here explaining the differences. There is some info on the web about them if you read French.

EDIT: OP, yours is definitely a conversion to type 2. Your trigger guard and the floor plate are definitely type 1s.

rojocorsa
02-03-2012, 10:37 AM
I would like to play with one; they look very intriguing.

SmokingSam
02-03-2012, 2:11 PM
I have a bolt and a semi MAS, just got some ammo and hope to try them soon. Will get some pix!

Nice looking rifles and as every one said way underrated...Enjoy it!

smle-man
02-03-2012, 3:13 PM
No, I'm talking about type 1 to type 2 conversions.

Type 1s were made until 1945. Type 2s had some improvements and changes made starting in 1945. The type 1s were then converted to include the type 2 improvements. The MAS 36s used at the beginning of the Indochina War were usually type 2s and converted type 1s.

Untouched type 1s are hard to find, and are usually bring backs or collector's pieces, sometimes held by civilians who didn't turn them in and then found their way to the US. I own a beautiful example of those. They can be found here and there. I was mad a few months ago when one popped up on gunbroker and the idiot seller refused to consider shipping it me (I have a FFL03). He got a ridiculously low price for it, because he didn't know what he had.

I'll post a little primer someday in here explaining the differences. There is some info on the web about them if you read French.

One quick way to start is to look at the nose cap sight cover. If it has 'ears' like an M1 then it is '45 or earlier. Hooded front sight is post war or at least a post war refurb.

joefrank64k
02-03-2012, 3:19 PM
No, I'm talking about type 1 to type 2 conversions.

Type 1s were made until 1945. Type 2s had some improvements and changes made starting in 1945. The type 1s were then converted to include the type 2 improvements. The MAS 36s used at the beginning of the Indochina War were usually type 2s and converted type 1s.

Untouched type 1s are hard to find, and are usually bring backs or collector's pieces, sometimes held by civilians who didn't turn them in and then found their way to the US. I own a beautiful example of those. They can be found here and there. I was mad a few months ago when one popped up on gunbroker and the idiot seller refused to consider shipping it me (I have a FFL03). He got a ridiculously low price for it, because he didn't know what he had.

I'll post a little primer someday in here explaining the differences. There is some info on the web about them if you read French.

Check...thanks for the info!

joefrank64k
02-03-2012, 3:20 PM
One quick way to start is to look at the nose cap sight cover. If it has 'ears' like an M1 then it is '45 or earlier. Hooded front sight is post war or at least a post war refurb.

Thanks for the info!

rojocorsa
02-03-2012, 3:25 PM
What do you guys make of this rifle's poor reputation for accuracy?

a1c
02-03-2012, 3:54 PM
What do you guys make of this rifle's poor reputation for accuracy?

Tell all the pigs I killed how inaccurate that rifle is :D

That's just what it is - a reputation. The MAS 36 platform is even still used for a sniper version (FR F1) that is still in use by the GIGN:
http://www.gign.org/groupe-intervention/?page_id=1408

Anubis Laughed
02-03-2012, 6:31 PM
Definately an underrated battle rifle and cartridge. The French Army & the Legion used them for years in North Africa and what was then IndoChina.

joefrank64k
02-03-2012, 6:43 PM
What do you guys make of this rifle's poor reputation for accuracy?

Tell all the pigs I killed how inaccurate that rifle is :D

That's just what it is - a reputation. The MAS 36 platform is even still used for a sniper version (FR F1) that is still in use by the GIGN:
http://www.gign.org/groupe-intervention/?page_id=1408

I've heard that they are very accurate as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing what it can do!

0321jarhead
02-03-2012, 7:39 PM
Looks as sweet as French wine. Excellent furniture! The rifle furniture too.:thumbsup:

rojocorsa
02-03-2012, 9:52 PM
I had just heard around that it was supposed to be inaccurate.


I just want the record to be set straight. Honestly, I'm cheering for the MAS.

C&Rtrader
02-03-2012, 11:05 PM
I had just heard around that it was supposed to be inaccurate.


I just want the record to be set straight. Honestly, I'm cheering for the MAS.

the ones converted to .308 are not known to be as accurate

smle-man
02-04-2012, 7:50 AM
A problem with the 36 is a loose forearm. My latest 36's forearm was so loose it rattled. I tightened it up by wrapping the forearm hook that fits into the receiver with 100mph tape. Tightened right up. Another problem for pinpoint accuracy is the coarse front sight and heavy trigger pull.

joefrank64k
02-04-2012, 8:23 AM
Looks as sweet as French wine. Excellent furniture! The rifle furniture too.:thumbsup:

The credit for the "other" furniture/tile/paraphernalia goes to my wife...I think the house would still have the bare concrete floors and off-white walls from the builder if it were left to me! :D

CEDaytonaRydr
02-04-2012, 1:11 PM
My MAS-36 is very accurate. The first time I took it out, we were shooting some very good groups with milsurp ammo. Not bad at all...

Garp
02-04-2012, 1:24 PM
Insert joke about spotless/unused bore here:

gun toting monkeyboy
02-04-2012, 1:48 PM
Insert joke about spotless/unused bore here:

Nope. Too easy. Like shooting snails in a barrel. Besides, every time anybody makes a crack like that on these boards, a couple of francophiles will pop on and whine about how their great grandfather fought the Germans valiantly, and it was all the politician's fault, blah, blah, blah... :facepalm: So it really isn't worth the trouble. I normally just tell them to Google "French military victories", and hit the "I feel lucky" tab.

Now, as for the MAS 36, I have never heard about them being inaccurate. The occasional trigger may suck. And I really don't care much for the sights. But mine seems to shoot just fine. Ammo is easy to make, if you can't find it in stock at Grafs. And the locking lugs towards the rear of the bolt don't bother me at all. The stock may look like it was chewed by a demented beaver. But as rifles go, they are generally solid. They used good steel, and plenty of it. Besides, it has that cool built in snail/marshmallow toaster thing under the barrel. If you can get two of them, you can knit something warm to wear while you are being carted off to a POW camp by the Germans...

-Mb

SVT-40
02-04-2012, 3:03 PM
No, I'm talking about type 1 to type 2 conversions.

Type 1s were made until 1945. Type 2s had some improvements and changes made starting in 1945. The type 1s were then converted to include the type 2 improvements. The MAS 36s used at the beginning of the Indochina War were usually type 2s and converted type 1s.

Untouched type 1s are hard to find, and are usually bring backs or collector's pieces, sometimes held by civilians who didn't turn them in and then found their way to the US. I own a beautiful example of those. They can be found here and there. I was mad a few months ago when one popped up on gunbroker and the idiot seller refused to consider shipping it me (I have a FFL03). He got a ridiculously low price for it, because he didn't know what he had.


I'll post a little primer someday in here explaining the differences. There is some info on the web about them if you read French.

Some pic's of my type 1 It's all matching in original condition. Pretty hard to find in great condition as said above. Compare the sights and the front nose caps between this rifle and the one above. It was made in December 1939.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09247-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09252-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09255-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09266-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09273-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09264-01.jpg

SVT-40
02-04-2012, 3:12 PM
A few more pic's.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09259-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09251-01.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/French%20Firearms/DSC09278-01.jpg

joefrank64k
02-05-2012, 9:36 AM
That's one nice looking MAS, SVT-40! Awesome piece of history!

rojocorsa
02-05-2012, 9:40 AM
I normally just tell them to Google "French military victories", and hit the "I feel lucky" tab.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=battle+of+austerlitz&l=1



Just saying.... ;)

Rogerbutthead
02-05-2012, 9:44 AM
Haters gonna hate

CEDaytonaRydr
02-05-2012, 1:30 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=battle+of+austerlitz&l=1



Just saying.... ;)

In addition, France defeated England in 1066. William the 1st (Duke of Normandy) ruled from England from 1066-1087.

The French invaded, captured and held Jerusalem for almost a century. They also invaded, captured and held Antioch from 1098-1268...

Ever heard of those crusade-era chivalrous orders of knighthood, like the Knights Templars, Knights Hospitallers, etc.? They're all French.

nick
02-05-2012, 2:16 PM
In addition, France defeated England in 1066. William the 1st (Duke of Normandy) ruled from England from 1066-1087.

The French invaded, captured and held Jerusalem for almost a century. They also invaded, captured and held Antioch from 1098-1268...

Ever heard of those crusade-era chivalrous orders of knighthood, like the Knights Templars, Knights Hospitallers, etc.? They're all French.

In all fairness, we're mostly talking Normans here, not the same animals. French national identity wasn't truly established until the 1600's, and it only took hold around mid-1700's. Even today many Normandians might take offense at being called French :p However, a more recent example of a French victory would be WWI.

With that said, the original post from Gun_toting_monkeyboy was full of crap, as such gungho posts tend to be. And yeah, I'm one of those people whose relatives (greatuncles) fought on the French side in WWII, and I study History (and not just by using popular fiction as reference books). And while I'm not a big fan of France, I find it to be in bad taste to mock those who fought for their country, whether they won or lost. I have no doubt that he can claim more than that, of course.

Back on the subject, while I don't have much experience with Century-converted to .308 MAS-36, the unconverted MAS-36 I have is very accurate with the PRVI ammo I have (both ball and softpoint are about the same when it comes to accuracy. Sorry, CSA, I meant precision :)). Don't bother with the Syrian surplus. Aside from hangfires, it's also not too consistent. I don't shoot it much, as I don't reload, and the ammo isn't very common. A different front sight would be nice for longer ranges though, as the one it came with is rather thick. Easy to see, but it covers the target just as easily.

And while we're on the subject, here's my MAS-36:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=133798&d=1328482996

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=133797&d=1328482942

ivanimal
02-05-2012, 2:21 PM
My first hunting rifle was a MAS I was 12 and it kicked like a mule. I still have it. My dad got it in Reno for 15 bucks. Circa 1970.....

nick
02-05-2012, 2:33 PM
My first hunting rifle was a MAS I was 12 and it kicked like a mule. I still have it. My dad got it in Reno for 15 bucks. Circa 1970.....

My my, how the prices have changed :) I paid $200 for mine 2-3 years ago.

nick
02-05-2012, 2:40 PM
By the way, does anyone have a good resource for dating these? The serial number on mine is FG60xxx. So it was made after 1950, but that's pretty much all I know.

joefrank64k
02-05-2012, 5:11 PM
My my, how the prices have changed :) I paid $200 for mine 2-3 years ago.

No kidding! Mine was $200, too. At least it came with a box of ammo! :D

a1c
02-05-2012, 6:03 PM
By the way, does anyone have a good resource for dating these? The serial number on mine is FG60xxx. So it was made after 1950, but that's pretty much all I know.

Some guys at gunboards have been compiling information based on serial numbers and the dates found on the barrels (which you will only be able to see if you remove the furniture, which I don't recommend).

FG is 1950-1951.

nick
02-05-2012, 6:19 PM
No kidding! Mine was $200, too. At least it came with a box of ammo! :D

Yeah, I saw that one, but decided to observe fiscal responsibility :)

nick
02-05-2012, 6:21 PM
Some guys at gunboards have been compiling information based on serial numbers and the dates found on the barrels (which you will only be able to see if you remove the furniture, which I don't recommend).

FG is 1950-1951.

Thank you. I found the threads you're referring to, although it looks like one of the original posters there removed a lot of info.