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finloq
02-01-2012, 8:33 PM
It's nice when nobody else bids, especially on a Finish Military model 28 Ciivl Guard SY

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7687/fullbodya.jpg
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/9803/fullbodyb.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6237/buttbd.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1381/rearsighta.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9266/barrelshanka.jpg

finloq
02-01-2012, 8:33 PM
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9821/serialb.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3491/sigbq.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2734/tangm.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4910/barreldate.jpg

finloq
02-01-2012, 8:34 PM
Stock:
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9374/shimb.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/163/shimatv.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1963/ropeholec.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5283/ropeholea.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7485/ropehole2.jpg

finloq
02-01-2012, 8:34 PM
Details:
Updated magazine
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5093/maghv.jpg
Cleaning rod
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8739/cleaningrod.jpg
Dog collars
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/639/dogcollars.jpg
Bolt head
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/1322/bolthead2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/340/bolthead1.jpg

finloq
02-01-2012, 8:35 PM
Buttplate
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8987/buttplate.jpg
Bolt
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5928/boltbody.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1457/boltknob.jpg

C&Rtrader
02-01-2012, 8:49 PM
WOW... that is a score. Well done sir.

G-Man WC
02-01-2012, 8:55 PM
Nice! :thumbsup: -g

Beetle Bailey
02-01-2012, 9:02 PM
Awesome pickup! And it qualifies as an antique :D

rojocorsa
02-01-2012, 9:11 PM
WOW! That's pretty neat.


What's with the dual rear estucheons?

Chaos47
02-01-2012, 9:21 PM
Very cool! Thanks for sharing the photos!

finloq
02-01-2012, 9:23 PM
WOW! That's pretty neat.


What's with the dual rear estucheons?

The first 6000 M28's were made with Ski Trooper stocks. The dual slots allowed the troopers wear them flat against their bodies. This one is #5345.
SIG (Schweiz Industrie Gesellschaft, Neuhausen) barrel order: 10,000 (1st order), 10,000 (2nd order) in 1927-1929. Tikkakoski made 13,016 barrels in 1930-1933.

According to Bowser:
33,016 M28's made
16,669 M28's in Finnish inventory in 1951.

rojocorsa
02-01-2012, 9:37 PM
That's pretty cool, there a little something from Neuhausen, a little something from Tula, and a little something from Finland.


This only shoots D166, correct?

Lucky Scott
02-01-2012, 9:53 PM
Wow, just Wow!

finloq
02-01-2012, 9:57 PM
That's pretty cool, there a little something from Neuhausen, a little something from Tula, and a little something from Finland.


This only shoots D166, correct?

As well as Châtellerault and New England and Izhevsk and Sestroryetsk. The stock also has the signs of passing through Austria.

With the 'D' marking opening it up for the D166, it will shoot any surplus or modern 7.62x54r.

Beetle Bailey
02-01-2012, 10:04 PM
Does the stock have the "SYT" marking in the front of the right-side finger groove?

finloq
02-01-2012, 10:24 PM
Does the stock have the "SYT" marking in the front of the right-side finger groove?

Nope. At least, not anymore.

Fate
02-01-2012, 10:31 PM
Awesome. I have it's brother, ~2000 rifles apart. Mine was one of 365 that were in the first batch sent to the Helsinki Civil Guard in 1928. I'll have to dig out my info. What's the CG number on yours?

finloq
02-01-2012, 10:34 PM
Awesome. I have it's brother, ~2000 rifles apart. Mine was one of 365 that were in the first batch sent to the Helsinki Civil Guard in 1928. I'll have to dig out my info. What's the CG number on yours?

S13789
Pohjois Kymenlaakso

Flyin Brian
02-01-2012, 10:35 PM
Nice one, Finloq. I think I've only seen one other M-28 with the rear sight modded like an M-27 with the screws parallel to the barrel. Interesting feature in my opinion.

Any Civil Guard bore inspection stamps on the buttplate?

finloq
02-01-2012, 10:41 PM
Nice one, Finloq. I think I've only seen one other M-28 with the rear sight modded like an M-27 with the screws parallel to the barrel. Interesting feature in my opinion.

Any Civil Guard bore inspection stamps on the buttplate?

Yes, but strange.
III stamped over =I=, both in the 12 o'clock position.
Strong lands in a dark bore, with a 1/4" counterbore.

Flyin Brian
02-01-2012, 10:42 PM
S13789
Pohjois Kymenlaakso

Pohjois is North, and Kymenlaakso translates to "Valley of River Kymijoki".

District numbers are one of the main reasons I love CG rifles!!

Flyin Brian
02-01-2012, 10:43 PM
Yes, but strange.
III stamped over =I=, both in the 12 o'clock position.
Strong lands in a dark bore, with a 1/4" counterbore.

It doesn't look like the buttplate rack number matches, so maybe the inspection stamp was for a previous barreled action?

finloq
02-01-2012, 11:02 PM
It doesn't look like the buttplate rack number matches, so maybe the inspection stamp was for a previous barreled action?

I'm thinking a replaced buttplate (since the wear on the buttplate is much more worn than the rest of the rifle). The rifle appears to have been reblued by the Finns (possibly when the SA adopted her), except the buttplate. The rifle is about 80% blue, the buttplate only about 20% blue. I could be wrong though. It is #5345, so it definetely started out with a Ski-Trooper stock, it is possible that it was replaced with another Ski-Trooper stock at some point in it's history.

I'm wondering if this buttplate matched a barreled action that was rated =I=. then was placed upon this rifle which was inspected at a III?

Actually, with the M27 style rear sight and the updated HV style magazine (though, unmarked); I am thinking that this rifle may have gone through an SA refurb when it was transfered.

As to the lack of the SYT marking, this is from Vic's site:
4) Stock:

The stocks used on the m/28 are almost entirely made from reconfigured and modified m/91 stocks. The modifications included shortening the forend to the new length and deepening and widening the barrel channel. The nosecap area was adjusted to accommodate the new nosecap and plate. The band screw holes were also placed at this time for the front (nosecap) and rear barrel band. A new handguard was also made for the m/28 rifle by a wood working firm in Porvoo called Fo Palmin Lestitehdas. This firm also provided some newly made stocks in addition to performing the modification of the older m/91 stocks and refinishing them. A marking or brand was added to the finger groove on the left side that was the (SYT) in an oval. This brand/marking denoted that the modifications were completed to Civil Guard specifications. SAKO used some stocks and fittings that were worn or of not top quality to complete the final stages of the m/28 contract in order to save newly made stocks and fittings for the model change over to the newly adopted an improved m/28-30. (48)

Flyin Brian
02-01-2012, 11:30 PM
My newest M-28 is in the 2500 range and doesn't have it's original stock :(

I have some with the SYT and some without, you really never know what to expect with these Finns :)

Did you see the one on another board that had SYT on both sides?

rojocorsa
02-01-2012, 11:36 PM
As well as Châtellerault and New England and Izhevsk and Setroryetsk. The stock also has the signs of passing through Austria.

With the 'D' marking opening it up for the D166, it will shoot any surplus or modern 7.62x54r.

That is way cool. What a neat mutt!

finloq
02-02-2012, 5:27 AM
My newest M-28 is in the 2500 range and doesn't have it's original stock :(

I have some with the SYT and some without, you really never know what to expect with these Finns :)

Did you see the one on another board that had SYT on both sides?



http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=12371.0

Allen has some nice pieces.

cruddymutt
02-02-2012, 9:58 PM
Ive been hearing of this bore inspection stamp lately. Where can I read up on this? Did I miss it on Vics site?

finloq
02-02-2012, 10:00 PM
Ive been hearing of this bore inspection stamp lately. Where can I read up on this? Did I miss it on Vics site?

http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=9025.0