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OHOD
02-01-2012, 3:37 PM
Went to the range to shoot my Hungarian M44.

I've shot it once before without a problem, today I had a problem.

First round:
Cambered round and noticed the bolt feels like it is compressing the round at the very last 1/4 inch. As if I am compressing something, real soft like.
Fired the round, the shell got stuck in the chamber.

Tried a different brand of ammo, same thing.

Since I didn't have cleaning equipment with me (not next time though), I couldn't clean out the chamber. Range master popped the spent cartridge for me. He said he used a little force.

Flash forward to home.

Cleaned the heck out of the thing. Scrubbed the chamber, scrubbed the bore, scrubbed till the cows came home.
Chambered a SPENT round (just the shell) to see if the compressing thing went away. Nope. Shell still got stuck.

Looking at the bolt face and ejector, I don't see an obvious problem.

Suggestions?

SVT-40
02-01-2012, 3:41 PM
Did you change the type of ammo you use?

Or are you sure the chamber does not have something stuck to it's walls or near the neck?

SoCal Bob
02-01-2012, 3:42 PM
Have you used this same ammo in this same M44 before without any problems? Do you have any other ammo to try to rule out an ammo issue?

SVT-40
02-01-2012, 3:43 PM
The only other thing I can think of is that somehow your bolt is not properly put together. So maybe you should take it apart then reassemble....

OHOD
02-01-2012, 3:55 PM
Silly me. Spent casings are larger in diameter than live rounds. Duh :facepalm:

A correctly sized casing fits easily.

Not about to put a live round in there at home.

DannyInSoCal
02-01-2012, 4:04 PM
Disassemble the bolt and give a good boiling water soak....

OHOD
02-01-2012, 4:44 PM
I pulled another bolt from another rifle and tried it in the M44.
No go. Still will not eject the shell even after I filed down a spent casing so that it fits into the chamber easily.

Noticed that the ejector is closer to the bolt face on the bolt as compared to my other bolt by about .006.
I don't know if that is enough to prevent the ejector from going over the cartridge rim.

OniKoroshi
02-01-2012, 4:53 PM
Is the extractor flush on the back side of the bolt head? Have you rechecked headspace?

rodngun762
02-01-2012, 4:53 PM
You know what, I have never been able to figure this out. I have a M44, two M91/30s, and an M39 and have NEVER been able to shoot them as I always get this same problem.

I have been shooting primarily czech silver tip but I have also tried other ammo to no positive result. Wolf didn't work either. I have also cleaned the chamber with the shotgun brush technique too.

So I have just gave up on shooting my mosins and instead just shoot the mausers when I'm feeling like some milsurp.

OHOD
02-01-2012, 5:03 PM
Is the extractor flush on the back side of the bolt head? Have you rechecked headspace?

I don't have a headspace gauge.
How can I check it without one?

The extractor appears flush with the bolt head, but the cartridge doesn't sit flat on the bolt face. Opposite of the extractor, the cartridge rim is slightly raised above the bolt head when the cartridge is clipped under the extractor.

On my other bolt, the cartridge is flush and perpendicular.

OHOD
02-01-2012, 5:06 PM
You know what, I have never been able to figure this out. I have a M44, two M91/30s, and an M39 and have NEVER been able to shoot them as I always get this same problem.

I have been shooting primarily czech silver tip but I have also tried other ammo to no positive result. Wolf didn't work either. I have also cleaned the chamber with the shotgun brush technique too.

So I have just gave up on shooting my mosins and instead just shoot the mausers when I'm feeling like some milsurp.

Maybe we can solve this problem so that you can shoot your guns. :D

Vlad 11
02-01-2012, 5:22 PM
Hard to tell without looking at your bolt but it seems that maybe the extractor got pushed in a bit. Perhaps a bit of debris was in the extractor slot in the chamber and crammed the extractor in. :shrug:

Good on not fooling with live rounds...
For the future -- have a reloader buddy make you 5 dummy rounds for function testing / snapcapping / flinging cartridges across the living room safely

mosinnagantm9130
02-01-2012, 5:23 PM
Is the extractor is bent? That could explain it not being able to get over the lip of the rim.

OniKoroshi
02-01-2012, 6:54 PM
Pics of suspect bolt head would help. :)

Paulie Lugnuts
02-02-2012, 7:25 AM
Is your other bolt from another rifle? Does it work OK in that gun?

rshinjiro
02-02-2012, 9:02 AM
I've actually run into this exact same problem with my M44, tried different ammo, brass case, steel case, always the same result. Headspacing checks out, extractor is grabbing. Chambers a fresh round fine, then after firing wont eject without some nudging. Curious to find out if what fixes this for you will work for mine as well.

yetii
02-02-2012, 9:54 AM
i have had the same problems with a few of mine, the problem in my case was that there was cosmo on chamber walls that had been cooked on there. I took the gun apart and heated the outside of the chamber with a propane torch untill it was warm and used a stiff cleaning brush and scrubbed the hell out of the chamber. after doing this about 3 or 4 times it was sqeaky clean and didn't have any problems after, also soak the bolt in some cleaner for atleast a few hours then go to town cleaning the bolt, should not have any problems after that.

TheExpertish
02-02-2012, 12:29 PM
i have had the same problems with a few of mine, the problem in my case was that there was cosmo on chamber walls that had been cooked on there. I took the gun apart and heated the outside of the chamber with a propane torch untill it was warm and used a stiff cleaning brush and scrubbed the hell out of the chamber. after doing this about 3 or 4 times it was sqeaky clean and didn't have any problems after, also soak the bolt in some cleaner for atleast a few hours then go to town cleaning the bolt, should not have any problems after that.

This makes the most sense to me. Love it when guys use the "blast it clean" method when they first get a cosmo covered C&R. I'm going to assume you didn't do it. Curious as to how this turns out OHOD.

OHOD
02-02-2012, 4:10 PM
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OHOD
02-02-2012, 4:11 PM
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tlivingd
02-02-2012, 4:17 PM
Try to loosen the screws holding the trigger guard/magazine assembly down.

I had to shim mine down away from the bolt.

and this was on my Romainan M44.

Worked AWESOME afterwards.


EDIT: This sounds like two problems in this thread. My posting above is to the original poster about the closing of the bolt the last 1/4 inch. and it hanging up on the way out.

Vlad 11
02-02-2012, 5:28 PM
Looks like the extractor is a little dinked up. Not sure if that's the prob.

The flat spot on the leading angle of the extractor may be jamming on the rim. Thus pushing it backwards in the boltface to the point where it no longer has the clearance to hold onto the rim.You can file to restore the angle a bit. Or if you dont want to bugger the original, get a new one

When a shell is in place the extractor will more or less be flush with the back of the bolthead. If its binding it will be pushed back and protrude. You can test this.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/joanneohod/IMG_0849.jpg

OniKoroshi
02-02-2012, 7:12 PM
Yup looks like the extractor is pushed back. It's supposed to be flush with the back of the bolt head. Tap it back into place and chamber a round and see if the extractor gets pushed back.

hypnoman
02-02-2012, 8:38 PM
I had a problem with failure to close on a round AND the rare moments it did close, after firing, failure to open bolt without the help of a rubber mallet.

My extractor looked worse, its tip was flat and a case could not sit nearly as flat on the bolt face. Since I was ready to change out the extactor I went ahead and modded it to mimick other Mosin bolts. It works fine now every time! Good luck on this, I know you won't need it as you'll come through victoriously!

OHOD
02-05-2012, 10:34 AM
I have some potential solutions.

1. I'm going to check headspace with a gauge Rem222 is going to let me borrow.
2. Try to get the extractor flush with the bolt.
3. Go over Bruceflinches place and work on it. Enlist the help of Big103 as well.

1-M-42
02-05-2012, 10:47 AM
Hammer, very large hammer....works with computers as well.

thepunisher
02-05-2012, 12:06 PM
Hammer, very large hammer....works with computers as well.

Most Russian problems are solved this way comrade.

bruceflinch
02-05-2012, 4:45 PM
I have a 3lb hammer. Is that big enough?

big103
02-05-2012, 6:55 PM
Yeah looks like the back of the extractor needs to be taken off a little.

Vlad 11
02-10-2012, 7:04 PM
Came across a thread from surplusrifle which seems to describe this problem and solution well.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=48259

OHOD
02-21-2012, 1:03 PM
The problem is fixed!!!

Took the rifle to the range yesterday and my "fix" worked.

1. Checked headspace with the gauge Rem222 so generously provided, head space was good.
2. I compared the extractor to my other rifles. The lip of the extractor extended below the edge of the bolt.
Took a hammer to it and pounded it :eek: so that a cartridge will easily fit on the bolt head.

Took her to the range and Bang, bang, bang, no problemos.


Details....

Placed the bolt face on a piece of wood, used a flat punch aproximately the same size as the back of the extractor (not where the lip is).
Whacked on it a few times and noticed the extractor moved forward approx. .010 of an inch or even with the lip on the bolt face.

The rifle shot fine. Hit my target at 200 yards. :thumbsup: good to go. :D

mosinnagantm9130
02-21-2012, 1:08 PM
Glad to hear it!

I really need to get over to the bay area one of these days so I can shoot with all you bay area CGer's.

OniKoroshi
02-21-2012, 1:44 PM
Funny thing is I took my Hungarian M44 out this past weekend to check functionality and everything was cool for the first 14 rounds. 14th round FTE. Upon inspection looks like my extractor got fubar'd. Whether it was that way prior to my purchase I'm not sure. Luckily I brought my 91/30 and used that bolt to extract it out. That is when I realized the extractor on the M44 looked messed up.

Does anyone have a spare "02" extractor they want to sell?

Fate
02-21-2012, 8:54 PM
Mosins like it rough.

Don the savage
02-21-2012, 10:27 PM
Soviet armorers kit
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/dcayer190/th_336b927f.jpg (http://s895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/dcayer190/?action=view&current=336b927f.jpg)

mosinnagantm9130
02-21-2012, 11:42 PM
Soviet armorers kit
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/dcayer190/th_336b927f.jpg (http://s895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/dcayer190/?action=view&current=336b927f.jpg)

You forgot the electric pencil and the vodka:p

jigenax
02-23-2012, 12:39 AM
You forgot the electric pencil and the vodka:p

Privet!

Cal-stricted
02-28-2012, 7:15 PM
One of the very first lessons my Senior Drill Instructor taught us about working with our weapons is if all fails then use a BFR. Good to know his theory works well even though it was a hammer substitution! Can't wait to get my first m44. :)

The problem is fixed!!!

Took the rifle to the range yesterday and my "fix" worked.

1. Checked headspace with the gauge Rem222 so generously provided, head space was good.
2. I compared the extractor to my other rifles. The lip of the extractor extended below the edge of the bolt.
Took a hammer to it and pounded it :eek: so that a cartridge will easily fit on the bolt head.

Took her to the range and Bang, bang, bang, no problemos.


Details....

Placed the bolt face on a piece of wood, used a flat punch aproximately the same size as the back of the extractor (not where the lip is).
Whacked on it a few times and noticed the extractor moved forward approx. .010 of an inch or even with the lip on the bolt face.

The rifle shot fine. Hit my target at 200 yards. :thumbsup: good to go. :D