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drummerguy1584
01-30-2012, 4:02 PM
I need some help identifying a black powder revolver I inherited. from what i can tell it's a Uberti Navy Arms 1858 New Army model, but I have been researching and the finish on mine is much different than the finish on all the ones i have seen online. Mine is also in a cased set and i cant seem to find any info on it or what its worth as I'm not really into black power and I would like to sell it. I need to find out what its worth before i post it in the WTS section. Thanks in advance.

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drummerguy1584
01-30-2012, 4:03 PM
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jamesob
01-30-2012, 4:07 PM
its a reproduction of a 1858 navy model worth maybe 150.00 more than likely its a pietta

drummerguy1584
01-30-2012, 4:12 PM
hmm, ok, thanks. all the images that i could find pointed me towards the New Army because the part underneath the barrel looks much different. These images are from Uberti's site:

Navy:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/drummerguy1584/1861_navy_civil_brass.jpg

New Army:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/drummerguy1584/1858_new_army.jpg

TheExpertish
01-30-2012, 4:16 PM
its a reproduction of a 1858 navy model worth maybe 150.00 more than likely its a pietta

OP posted it's a Uberti.

It's just an old Uberti. Uberti was founded in 1959 and has been reproducing the Colt models since then. There's one nicer than yours currently listed on GB for $325, but who knows if it'll sell anytime soon. It's a nice set, but it is a repro no matter how old it is.

GOEX FFF
01-30-2012, 4:21 PM
Nice looking reproduction revolver. I like the Patina and wear on it.
Is it in all working condition? How is the bore and cylinder chambers? Are the nipples in good condition and not deformed from any dry firing?
That will all help determine value as well.

jamesob
01-30-2012, 4:24 PM
from what i know of the remington line is that there are only slight differances between the navy and army guns from when they started production and when they ended. i have a real remington 1858 new model police and thats about as far as my expertise goes.

jamesob
01-30-2012, 4:27 PM
OP posted it's a Uberti.

It's just an old Uberti. Uberti was founded in 1959 and has been reproducing the Colt models since then. There's one nicer than yours currently listed on GB for $325, but who knows if it'll sell anytime soon. It's a nice set, but it is a repro no matter how old it is.
like a said i'm no expert but the pn proof marks i believe are from a pietta but could be wrong lol i did a quick search and the pn is italian for black powder.

GOEX FFF
01-30-2012, 4:39 PM
like a said i'm no expert but the pn proof marks i believe are from a pietta but could be wrong lol i did a quick search and the pn is italian for black powder.

Navy Arms (Uberti) was founded in 1956 by Val Forgett, and was the first US-based company to produce repro black powder arms.

ETA: missed your edit update. Yep, the "PN" is not a Pietta proof mark, but in Italian, stands for "Pulvero Nero" - Black Powder.

drummerguy1584
01-30-2012, 4:45 PM
Nice looking reproduction revolver. I like the Patina and wear on it.
Is it in all working condition? How is the bore and cylinder chambers? Are the nipples in good condition and not deformed from any dry firing?
That will all help determine value as well.

Everything on it looks good to me from what I can see. I've never fired it, but the mechanics are good and all seems to work, i've never dry fired it ( I have pulled the trigger and the hammer does drop, but i hold onto it so it wont hit the nipples on the cylinder and damage them ) :) the bore and cylinder chambers look fine as well.

0321jarhead
01-30-2012, 5:03 PM
From just looking at the pics and the markings you have a 1858 Army. As what I can see the one marking is either "AE" or "AF" on the right side just below the cyclinder. That is telling me it was made in 1978 (AE) or 1980 (AF). And yes, Uberti. Just last week I rebuilt a 3rd model 1858 Colt Dragoon that was made by Uberti in 1966. My customer showed me a big smile when he picked it up and so did I. "CHA-CHING!!" Remington introduced its powerful .44-caliber New Model Army revolver in 1863. Based on an 1858 patent, the sturdy New Model Army, with its solid steel frame, screw-in barrel, improved sights, was in many ways superior to its chief rival—the Colt Army. Remington sold the government more than 115,000 of the sturdy pistols, making the New Army the second most common revolver used by the North during the Civil War. Uberti offers both an authentic version with blued and case-hardened steel, or a stainless steel model with target sights for competition shooting or hunting.

drummerguy1584
01-30-2012, 5:06 PM
Thanks so much for your replies. Any idea what I could realistically sell it for? Does the fact that it's a cased set increase it's value at all?

0321jarhead
01-30-2012, 5:14 PM
You could ask $200 but, take no less than $150. They are SLOW sellers.

Rogerbutthead
01-30-2012, 5:39 PM
I am looking at the dark blue of the pics of the two pistols in post 4 and wondering if it would wear down to the current condition.

Being a noob at rebluing, it kinda looks like the cylinder was parked and the barrel and other parts were cold blued.

Do your worn Uberti's look like that?

0321jarhead
01-30-2012, 5:47 PM
Blued yes, parked no. It is a hole different metal process. Brass is also what you see.

Jeffy
01-30-2012, 6:34 PM
I don't think the box is original. You can buy boxes for around $50.

Doesn't look like there's any finish on the gun. Also, there seems to be a lot of tool marks. They are a lot more finished these days. $339 for a new one. It's not going to be worth near a new I'm afraid. Not everyone is into BP especially here. Price it low and it will sell though. Otherwise, keep it.

GOEX FFF
01-30-2012, 7:38 PM
Thanks so much for your replies. Any idea what I could realistically sell it for? Does the fact that it's a cased set increase it's value at all?


To Value the case set.
Jeffy is probably right that you can find a repro box for $30-$50

Traditions makes a brand new display box for $50.00
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Black-Powder/Black-Powder-Accessories|/pc/104792580/c/104701680/sc/104218380/Traditions-Pistol-Display-Case-150-Wood-Top/753166.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FN %3D1100207%26WTz_l%3DSBC%253BBRprd753166&WTz_l=SBC%3BBRprd753166%3Bcat104218380

The flask looks to have some phillips-head screws in it, which are for sure not correct even for an aftermarket flask.
A tin of CCI caps if new and full, are about $5.00, and the nipple wrench is another $6-7 bucks.

I'll echo the rest of the fellas and say given the condition, that between $150-$200 is a fair price.
Toss it on the marketplace and see how it goes. ;)

drummerguy1584
01-30-2012, 9:08 PM
Awesome, thanks to all :)

kendog4570
01-30-2012, 9:30 PM
Navy Arms, Lyman, and others, also used to offer some of the replicas in kit form, with the lockwork fit but metal and wood to be finished by the purchaser. Judging from the tool marks this appears to be one of the those.

prob
01-30-2012, 9:46 PM
Navy Arms, Lyman, and others, also used to offer some of the replicas in kit form, with the lockwork fit but metal and wood to be finished by the purchaser. Judging from the tool marks this appears to be one of the those.

I think this is exactly what the OP has.

You could ask $200 but, take no less than $150. They are SLOW sellers.

I'd say $150 is being overly optimistic for a used Italian black powder replica finished in such an amateurish fashion.

Jeffy
01-31-2012, 1:06 PM
Navy Arms, Lyman, and others, also used to offer some of the replicas in kit form, with the lockwork fit but metal and wood to be finished by the purchaser. Judging from the tool marks this appears to be one of the those.

And it even says 'Navy Arms Co. Ridgefield NJ'. I forgot all about the kits. They were pretty cheap too. Now that you mentioned it, I agree. I vaguely remember them being around $70-100 in Cabelas back in the day. :oji:

DanielinNapa
01-31-2012, 5:01 PM
I will second on the kit gun. i remembering having one many moons ago.

Jeffy
02-01-2012, 12:00 PM
I recently read that Navy Arms Co. got their parts from Uberti. Supposedly there's a way to tell if it's a early Uberti or a later one but I would assume it's an early model, pre-Beretta.