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wellfedirishman
01-29-2012, 11:05 PM
(Posted also at Cast Boolits forum which I frequent also)

From a collector friend of mine I recently picked up a nice old Gewehr 88 (1894 Steyr) in 'vintage' condition. The bore and action are good, the wood has been decorated by some old chickenscratch carvings (bored soldier sometime?).

I loaded it up with some 8mm cast bullet 180 grain approx with 14 grains of Trailboss with a Win LP primer. I didn't have my chrony, but I would estimate velocity around 1200-1300 fps.

Rifle:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88-1.jpg

Receiver:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88-2.jpg

Markings:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88-5.jpg

Boolits (she preferred round nose, and in fact would not feed blunt nosed boolits):
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88-4.jpg

Target results at 50 yards. With the fold-down battle sight the point of impact was right on point of aim.
Probably a 1.5" group approx. The group in the black at the top of the main white bullseye was three shots stacked on each other.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88-6.jpg

Overall this old girl can shoot. Recoil was light and the report was mild. Someone shooting an AR-15 next to me was commenting on the gentle report.

I think that this one has a .318 bore (as it has no 'S' mark on the receiver) and really liked cast bullets. The bore was clean with no leading.

wellfedirishman
01-29-2012, 11:06 PM
I also took out a Carcano M38S 8mm. This has a very similar action to the Gew 88 above (both are variations of the Mannlicher action I believe).

The Carcano is a short little carbine with fixed sights, and it shot high and to the right. The group size was large (4" at 50 yards), all bullets shot straight with no tumbling. I used 240 grain flat nosed 8mm bullets, which fed and shot fine. I don't have any target pics unfortunately.

Carcano side view:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Carcano-3.jpg

Receiver markings (7.92 to indicate conversion to 8mm):
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Carcano-2.jpg

Right side action:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Carcano-1.jpg

Comparison of the Carcano (carbine) and Gew 88 (long rifle) action and barrels:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88Carcano-Left.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/wellfedirishman/RangeReports/Gew88Carcano-Right.jpg

Recoil from the Carcano was noticable with the 240 grain bullets. I would definitely not want to shoot this with full power milsurp ammo.

Both of these rifles use a kind of enbloc clips to hold multiple rounds. Not having any clips right now, I fed the rounds as single shot and had no problems. The Gewehr 88 has a much smoother and lighter trigger (almost like a target trigger) and was a pleasure to shoot. The Carcano has a rougher and heavier trigger.

dzhao20
01-29-2012, 11:26 PM
Beautiful rifles I must say. Got to love that Carcano :D So compacted

bruceflinch
01-30-2012, 8:01 AM
Carcano is a beautiful piece. Nice targets w/ the Gewehr!
What Range did you shoot at?

dfletcher
01-30-2012, 1:33 PM
Have you (will you?) fire the Carcano with full powered loads? I'm guessing it packs a bit of a punch on the recoil end.

6mmintl
01-30-2012, 2:59 PM
By the looks of your target Im thinking your ready for the 200-500 meter (prone) Military rifle silouette match at Sac Valley shooting center in two weeks (3rd Sat) if you can come up with some 400-500 meter loads.

Ill be shooting my 1886 Portuguese Kropatchek long rifle in 8mm with cast bullets.

kendog4570
01-30-2012, 9:42 PM
.......Ill be shooting my 1886 Portuguese Kropatchek long rifle in 8mm with cast bullets.



Masochist! :D