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Dr.Mauser
01-25-2012, 1:03 AM
So I didn't want to double post, so I have two questions. First are there any gun shows coming up in the sacramento are. And second I'm in the market for a Tokarev TT I'd really like a Soviet built one but I know they're really hard to come by, so I'm looking at a Romanian Tok. I'm really eager to get my hands on one. I know a little bit about them, but not a ton, what kind of things should I know, other than that its kind of a hand cannon?

11011500a
01-25-2012, 1:19 AM
Romanian tt33 is sweet to hold & shoot . Recoil feels the same as a 9mm.Barrel my have some pitting,surplus ammo is corrosive but check It out if it looks good & priced right get it. Have a extra firing pin handy & go to Sarco inc pick up a 9mm barrel & bushing for her.

11011500a
01-25-2012, 1:30 AM
The importer add a saftety lever you can remove it & the gun will be fine.On mine the the lever would trip on recoil & lock the trigger , amin later it was gone.

j.primo
01-25-2012, 1:31 AM
I have a Romanian TT33, great pistol. Shoots like a champ. I removed and filled the extra cheesy looking safety they added for importation(?) and added some nice wood grips. One of my favorites to shoot.

The bad is surplus ammo used to be cheap, now 7.62x25 surplus is getting harder to find, so ammo isn't cheap anymore. I bought some 7.62x25 dies and started hand loading that caliber, but brass is hard to come by. I stopped shooting it as much because of that reason, but when I get a good quality brass catcher, I'll start taking it to the range more often.

VegasND
01-25-2012, 5:21 AM
I have Russian, Romanian, and Polish Tokarevs as well as their brother the Yugo M57. They are all great shooters but I like the Russian best. Made in 1937 it's in pretty good shape. I figure it went through the war in some REMF's holster.

The Russian is also the only one without an added safety or import marks -- it's the one I enjoy shooting the most.

Buy whatever you find, they all shoot well.

Ammo ... that's another story these days. When you find some at a decent price buy a bunch because you'll want to shoot.

Dr.Mauser
01-25-2012, 10:47 AM
Now here's the deal breaker. Its either I buy the Tok or put down the last $100 on a reworked double dated danzig Gew.98, reworked to the size of and look of a k98, turned down bolt, and k98 rear sight.

emcon5
01-25-2012, 11:06 AM
There are lots of Toks.......

Dr.Mauser
01-25-2012, 11:29 AM
That's what I thought, just wanted the opinion of the masses.

Dr.Mauser
01-26-2012, 11:02 AM
Polish or Romanian?

TRAP55
01-26-2012, 1:32 PM
I know where there's 4 nice Romanian Toks close to you for sale. But I think I have to take pick of the litter before I tell you where.:)

Dr.Mauser
01-26-2012, 2:26 PM
If its River City, the secrets out lol

TRAP55
01-26-2012, 2:34 PM
:facepalm::p Not much of a secret, just yanking your chain.
I've "wanted" one for a long time, but after actually holding one at RCGE, I think I "need" one now. They seem smaller in my hand compared to my CZ-52, but man they feel good for balance! That bonus check I'm waiting on better be in my mailbox tomorrow!

CaliforniaLiberal
01-26-2012, 2:39 PM
Shows near Sacramento:

CalExpo March 3 & 4

http://www.mcmannsroadrunner.com/


http://www.miwallcorp.com/index.php?route=information/calendar


http://www.codeofthewestgunshows.com/gun_show_schedules.htm


http://www.bigrenoshow.com/


http://americandreamgunshow.vpweb.com/default.html

Dr.Mauser
01-26-2012, 3:26 PM
Was it you there the other day? I was taking a look at the one in the case and handed off. Was that you?

TRAP55
01-26-2012, 4:47 PM
Was it you there the other day? I was taking a look at the one in the case and handed off. Was that you?
And the Pps-43 pistol?

Dr.Mauser
01-26-2012, 5:33 PM
Not sure I've looked at it before tho, I was wearin a grey zip jacket.

deoxys987
01-27-2012, 5:02 PM
I have a Romanian TT33, great pistol. Shoots like a champ. I removed and filled the extra cheesy looking safety they added for importation(?) and added some nice wood grips. One of my favorites to shoot.

The bad is surplus ammo used to be cheap, now 7.62x25 surplus is getting harder to find, so ammo isn't cheap anymore. I bought some 7.62x25 dies and started hand loading that caliber, but brass is hard to come by. I stopped shooting it as much because of that reason, but when I get a good quality brass catcher, I'll start taking it to the range more often.

surplus ammo isnt that expenvise. heres the website i use for surplus ammo. good prices and fast shipping. heres for 7.62X25
400 rounds for $86.95.


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/400rds-762x25-tokarev-bulgarian-85gr-fmj-ammo/cName/762x25-tokarev-fmj-ammo

matrix
01-28-2012, 10:20 AM
Surplus ammo isn't that expensive. Here's the website I use for surplus ammo. Good prices and fast shipping. Here's for 7.62X25
400 rounds for $86.95.

For that price I rather stick with commercial 9mm ammo.

I remember a few years ago, one could get 1260 rounds of Polish 7.62x25mm for less than $100. In fact, the last time I ordered them was $230 for 2520 rounds.

jubjubrsx
01-28-2012, 1:51 PM
not to hijack but are the sacramento gunshows worth going to the code of the west in vallejo was just meh thought most seemed a bit over priced.

CaliforniaLiberal
01-28-2012, 2:01 PM
not to hijack but are the sacramento gunshows worth going to the code of the west in vallejo was just meh thought most seemed a bit over priced.



They're about the same, more or less. More space at CalExpo

You can park across the street, walk a quarter mile and save the parking fee.

The great advantage of the CalExpo Gun Show is that when you get to the back of the room you can turn to the Right and go on into the Fancy Cats cat show.

:43:

paul0660
01-28-2012, 2:19 PM
For that price I rather stick with commercial 9mm ammo.

I remember a few years ago, one could get 1260 rounds of Polish 7.62x25mm for less than $100. In fact, the last time I ordered them was $230 for 2520 rounds.

But...........it won't fit.

matrix
01-28-2012, 5:36 PM
But...........it won't fit.

That why I'm saying it's not worth it to own a weapon chamber in 7.62x25mm. I rather get a 9mm pistol. Sure the 9mm is still a bit more expensive, but you could get it readily available and is free of corrosive primer.

The point of owning a 7.62x25 firearm IMO is because of the used to be cheapest center fire ammo one could get. The fact that the price have gone way up means it's not worth it anymore.

gatesbox
01-28-2012, 5:47 PM
I have never ordered from these guys but he has some good prices on tokarevs, and cans of ammo for what seems like a good price....

http://www.classicarms.us/

VegasND
01-28-2012, 6:37 PM
Unfortunately, the days of dirt-cheap 7.62x25 appear to be gone. It happens to every surplus cartridge at some point.

I have a decent supply of ammo for my Toks, but I also have a few 9mm barrels to convert them and some experience modifying magazines to feed it well.

It would seem that cheap commercial 9mm will cost less to shoot than 7.62 in the future.

It's a shame because shooting dirt-cheap 7.62 from these pistols was a lot of fun. They are just not the same in 9mm.

Dr.Mauser
01-28-2012, 7:06 PM
From all I've been reading I've gathered the following:
1. 7.62 ammo isn't cheap anymore
2. Polish Toks are the beez knees of the non-russian Toks.
3. Romanian Toks have an annoying safety switch (I would have no idea how to remove it)
4. I want to get a Polish Tok but can't have it sent to me and don't want to pay an extra $100 at a gun store to have it shipped to them.
5. Toks do have a 9mm conversion kit but again I have no expierience moding firearms or mags.
So who can help?

CaliforniaLiberal
01-28-2012, 7:16 PM
From all I've been reading I've gathered the following:
1. 7.62 ammo isn't cheap anymore
2. Polish Toks are the beez knees of the non-russian Toks.
3. Romanian Toks have an annoying safety switch (I would have no idea how to remove it)
4. I want to get a Polish Tok but can't have it sent to me and don't want to pay an extra $100 at a gun store to have it shipped to them.
5. Toks do have a 9mm conversion kit but again I have no expierience moding firearms or mags.
So who can help?


Start talking to your local gun stores. I've had good luck leaving my name and number and exactly what I'm looking for neatly printed on letter sized paper. You might get a call in a few weeks or months.

Are you familiar with the local Sacramento gun stores?

And here's the latest, opening on Greenback. Store is open but still remodeling.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=525553 Will have their FFL in a few weeks

paul0660
01-28-2012, 7:22 PM
That why I'm saying it's not worth it to own a weapon chamber in 7.62x25mm. I rather get a 9mm pistol. Sure the 9mm is still a bit more expensive, but you could get it readily available and is free of corrosive primer.

The point of owning a 7.62x25 firearm IMO is because of the used to be cheapest center fire ammo one could get. The fact that the price have gone way up means it's not worth it anymore.

Gotcha. None of that was evident to me from your first post.

I think of x25 as the poor man's .357 Sig, but if it isn't cheap, why bother.

Dr.Mauser
01-28-2012, 7:31 PM
I'm familiar with just guns and I know RCGE very well. Does anyone with a c&r wanna help me out with shipping a polish tok and ill pay you? I want to get one of the polish toks from classicarms, they're cheap and I can bundel the ammo as well

emcon5
01-28-2012, 7:35 PM
I'm familiar with just guns and I know RCGE very well. Does anyone with a c&r wanna help me out with shipping a polish tok and ill pay you? I want to get one of the polish toks from classicarms, they're cheap and I can bundel the ammo as well

C&Rs cant receive pistols in California.

Send off your C&R Package, once you get it, have the gun shipped to Steve at Timber Outdoors in Reno, and go pick it up. Probably take ~4 weeks.

Dr.Mauser
01-28-2012, 7:41 PM
I don't remember who its was, but there's was a calgunner near modesto who only charged $25 to use him as your ffl, compared to the $100 all the shops charge..I don't have a c&r yet I just turned 21

11011500a
01-28-2012, 7:41 PM
Swiching the barrels is easy as removing the slide stop pulling the slide off & droping the barrel in & the barrel bushing.The mags just need a spacer on back.It is an easy gun to disassemble to clean/fix.The safety is added by the importer & it is easy to remove.

CaliforniaLiberal
01-28-2012, 7:46 PM
I'm familiar with just guns and I know RCGE very well. Does anyone with a c&r wanna help me out with shipping a polish tok and ill pay you? I want to get one of the polish toks from classicarms, they're cheap and I can bundel the ammo as well


It's insanely easy to get your FFL 03 C&R. Takes less than 2 months, is good for 3 years. Costs $30. Just fill out the form and send it in.

Tons of information on C&R on CalGuns. See the Wiki or do the CGN Google Search.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16.pdf

Dr.Mauser
01-28-2012, 7:54 PM
Oh sweet! What advantages do I get with a c&r exactly? Because c&r is all I buy.

emcon5
01-28-2012, 8:03 PM
Oh sweet! What advantages do I get with a c&r exactly? Because c&r is all I buy.
Until 1 January 2014 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=399849) you can order C&R Long guns and have them shipped directly to you from out of state. You can purchase C&R hand guns over the counter outside the state, you just need to register (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/curioapp.pdf) them when you bring them home.

You get discounts from a few different vendors. (Brownells, Grafs, Midway)

That good enough? :D

Dr.Mauser
01-28-2012, 8:10 PM
:D I need to change...

Paulie Lugnuts
01-30-2012, 7:26 AM
We took our Romanian Tokarev to the range for the first time Sunday and we were impressed. Accurate with very little kick. It was also noticably louder than our other hand guns. Overall its now our favorite handgun. We also shot our P64 for the first time and were pretty dissapointed. It kicks really hard and hard to be accurate with, flinching doesn't help. We also shot our Luger, Makarov and our Enfield and Nagant revolvers.
Then we moved over to the rifle range and shot our K11, K31, Steyr M95 and Rasheed. Had an issue with the gas system on the Rasheed, I think we've got it figured out.
The weather was perfect at Yolo and we went through a few hundred rounds. Stopped for lunch at In and Out, great day:)

harmoniums
01-30-2012, 8:40 AM
heres a video showing me shooting a polish with that weird compensator and an extended mag floor plate Vs an un-modified Romanian.

Pls dont bother critiquing my grip, trigger pull etc, I know it sucks and have made steps to correct it.

KpcOxgdqKPA

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3176/5705982450_f2565d29d6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25517057@N00/5705982450/)
P1020448 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25517057@N00/5705982450/) by harmoniums (http://www.flickr.com/people/25517057@N00/), on Flickr


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2150/5705406327_ccca8b7011_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25517057@N00/5705406327/)
P1020449 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25517057@N00/5705406327/) by harmoniums (http://www.flickr.com/people/25517057@N00/), on Flickr

Dr.Mauser
01-30-2012, 3:31 PM
So as we all know I'm German...full German and I'm actually proud to say I'm buyin a Polish Tok

Dr.Mauser
01-30-2012, 3:55 PM
Sorry to double post, but I'm curious...where can I find the 9mm kit. And does the polish tok have the import safety thing like the romanian.

Fate
01-30-2012, 7:57 PM
And does the polish tok have the import safety thing like the romanian.

Every TT-33 has the added safety except Russian bringbacks and the handful of refurbs snuck thru by GSP about 7 yrs back.

My 1940 "bringback."

http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/76_169/223_24/1940TT33_leftside-vi893.jpg

Dr.Mauser
01-30-2012, 8:43 PM
Beautiful piece of art. Now my list of guns to purchase is an early war K98 1936-1940, then the Tok. Anyone know where I can get one or know someone that's selling one so I can get this show on the road?

Rigmarole
02-01-2012, 12:35 PM
C&Rs cant receive pistols in California.

Send off your C&R Package, once you get it, have the gun shipped to Steve at Timber Outdoors in Reno, and go pick it up. Probably take ~4 weeks.

I am the 01 FFL mentioned above. If you get your C&R license, you can have the guns sent to us in Reno and pick them up here ($20 transfer fee).

You may even be able to kill two birds with one stone if you come over for one of the Reno gun shows since we plan on attending most of them this year and we can do the transfer right there at the show.

Most of the Toks that I have transferred for other C&R holder Calgunners have looked pretty nice coming from J&G sales.

Steve

Dr.Mauser
02-02-2012, 2:52 PM
When is the next reno show? and do you think it would be worth it, and just save some money on buying online to just come to the show there?

CaliforniaLiberal
02-02-2012, 3:07 PM
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Dr.Mauser
02-02-2012, 3:19 PM
:43: looks like the wife and I are going to have to 'take a visit' to Reno :43:

emcon5
02-02-2012, 4:10 PM
I have been to the last 2 big Reno shows, and I have seen a grand total of 1 Tokarev.

Get your C&R and order one through Steve.

If you go, try and make it to the Washoe country range, shoot your milsurps at Steel gongs out to 950 yards :D

Dr.Mauser
02-02-2012, 4:17 PM
Ooooo i like that idea..before i get my Tok Im going to buy my Mauser, but I seriously CANNOT decide which of the 3 to get...it killing me!

Rigmarole
02-03-2012, 1:45 PM
When is the next reno show? and do you think it would be worth it, and just save some money on buying online to just come to the show there?

To get your best deal, get your 03FFL, order your C&R handgun online, have it shipped to me, and pick it up as a transfer.

We will be at the Big Reno show in April and you should be able to get your license by then.

Also, we will be at the Crossroads of the West Gun Show at the Reno Convention Center on Feb 18/19 if any current 03FFL Calgunners want to pick up C&R handgun orders at the show.

Dr.Mauser
02-03-2012, 1:59 PM
Sweet! thank you guys...see this is why I love Calguns, everyone helps everyone and doesnt really ever ask for anything in return. Calguns for President 2012!!

manwhowalks
02-04-2012, 9:15 PM
It's insanely easy to get your FFL 03 C&R. Takes less than 2 months, is good for 3 years. Costs $30. Just fill out the form and send it in.

You may know this but for the benefit of other readers you can have long guns shipped from out of state directly to you if you have a FFL 03 C&R but not hand guns. Ah.. oops..looks like another poster in the thread already explained this.