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Latigo
01-24-2012, 3:43 AM
.... and can you use a charger with it.
Yep.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/clamp7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/clamp6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/clamp5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/monta2a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/clamp4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/clamp8.jpg

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Latigo
01-24-2012, 3:45 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/monta4a.jpg

And if you have a larger diameter scope you can make your own deflector
out of thin Lexan or thin sheet metal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/Deflector.jpg

bruceflinch
01-24-2012, 7:24 AM
Very neat! The case ejecting straight up on the K31, was an amusing surprise for me. Glad I was wearing a billed cap! Now I admit, If I was a Hunter, I'd buy another K31 & put a scope on it, for the benefit of older eyes & relief of having a chicken neck!

Latigo
01-24-2012, 7:28 AM
The true k31 shooter will wear a broad brimmed hat, catch the brass with the brim, tip his head to the side and dump it into his ammo box for reloading. :D

SKSer45
01-24-2012, 8:55 AM
man that is so sweet! how much do those go for?

Blitzburgh
01-24-2012, 9:10 AM
The true k31 shooter will wear a broad brimmed hat, catch the brass with the brim, tip his head to the side and dump it into his ammo box for reloading. :D

Everytime I wear a cowboy hat to the range that happens. I bend over to get something and brass falls off of my hat. Hey - Whatever works! :)

Latigo
01-24-2012, 9:25 AM
man that is so sweet! how much do those go for?

I actually am not sure. We only sell through our distributors and usually the best deal is from Grafs. Their link is at the bottom of our website. www.swissproductsllc.com

harmoniums
01-24-2012, 10:45 AM
I have and use one myself.
I will be buying a second stock to use with it.
I can't get a cheek-weld worth a damn as it is right now, so I will be cutting a riser out of the new stock and using 100 straight hardware to make an adjustable comb.

Latigo
01-24-2012, 11:47 AM
Or.............. you could do what I did... go here... http://www.czechmauseritis.com/

bruceflinch
01-24-2012, 11:57 AM
Everytime I wear a cowboy hat to the range that happens. I bend over to get something and brass falls off of my hat. Hey - Whatever works! :)

I was wearing a broadbrim hat Sunday to shoot IDPA. We had some rain, so it kept my head dry. Then a Military jet flew over real low & I looked up to see it through the mist & the rain rolled off my hat & into my collar...:facepalm:

Latigo
01-24-2012, 12:01 PM
:rofl2:

paul0660
01-24-2012, 12:03 PM
Brownells has them for $65. They do work great, go off and on without trouble or modding, and stay tight.

johnclark
01-24-2012, 12:36 PM
http://nanojpg.com/img/h/P.gif
looks brownells has the good price of it. brownells link for this, please?

http://nanojpg.com/img/5/R.gif

Low-Pressure
01-24-2012, 12:51 PM
I have one on my K31 and it is solid! I might end up buying another one for my 2nd K31.
I got mine from Grafs.
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/17797

Latigo
01-24-2012, 1:02 PM
Right here John. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=0/k=swiss+products/t=P/ksubmit=y/Products/All/search=swiss_products

smle-man
01-24-2012, 6:26 PM
I went a bit more permanent and used a Lee Enfield #4T type cheekrest for my scoped K31. Really helps my shooting.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/P1200001.jpg

1-M-42
01-24-2012, 6:36 PM
Or.............. you could do what I did... go here... http://www.czechmauseritis.com/

Those are cool. That's the next purchase after I find a vintage scope to put in your base....

pro-nra
01-24-2012, 6:46 PM
I used a leather laced on cheek riser. Color kind of matched my restained stock. I slid off the rear aperture and mounted a one piece 3/8 clamp/rings combo and installed a Burris 6-18X glass. Fairly accurate once zeroed.
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC09271.jpg
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC09273.jpg
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC09272.jpg
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC09274.jpg

SKSer45
01-24-2012, 7:45 PM
wow those are sexy! I like the cheek piece that is pretty cool. To bad I just use iron sights only :)

peterabbits
01-24-2012, 8:51 PM
Woah. Actually wondering how good a cheek weld a lefty would get using this. Used to the Russian mounts being off-center on the opposite side.

Spiggy
01-24-2012, 9:03 PM
how effective are those dampeners? I have a barreled action I'd like to build eventually.

pro-nra
01-24-2012, 9:33 PM
Not sure how effective it is as I have not done a before and after comparison. However, with this setup using GP11 ammo (sorted for concentricity and COL from the ogive), it shoots about 1/2 MOA. About the rifle: the action and trigger guard are fully bedded to the stock and barrel fully floated and some trigger work.

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC09277.jpg

Spiggy
01-24-2012, 10:08 PM
now is it a factory trigger or aftermarket?

:D thanks for your input.

Hey Latigo, are you related to Pierre St. Marie? I notice your product line is similar to the ones by St. Marie Graphics advertised a couple years back on the swiss rifle forum.

Latigo
01-25-2012, 4:41 AM
Pierre St.Marie is my Father. The original company name was St.Marie, but he changed it to Swiss Products because so very many people wanted to talk to him. He's always super busy and he's not a youngster anymore, so the girls in the office block all calls to SP. Our distributors are really well versed in everything and I always answer emails sent to the Swiss Products emails.
Our warrantee is really simple. Anything that has a problem is returned directly to us, not the distributor. Its replaced with no questions asked and the return item has a check in it for the customer's postage.

We've had one single item returned to us in 15 years. A Diopter made it through missing one internal spring. We've replaced maybe 6 scope mounts that were ruined by the customer having filed on them to correct problems that turned out to be scope problems in every case. Free of charge.

We even had a knock-off company packaging with a name close to ours and they made a huge stink on the net. After getting those mounts sent to us we were able to prove they weren't ours, but Dad still replaced them with ours for those guys.

Those dampers were field tested on some 15 rifles for nearly a month. The least group reduction we found was 35%. Most were 40%.

Latigo
01-25-2012, 4:52 AM
You might find this one interesting.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=73490

*I forgot to mention that the guy "harmoniums" never responded again, even after we sent him a free mount.*

harmoniums
01-25-2012, 7:55 AM
You might find this one interesting.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=73490

*I forgot to mention that the guy "harmoniums" never responded again, even after we sent him a free mount.*

I'm the one and same harmoniums, some wire must be crossed here, I never received a free mount! (and one wasn't warranted)
I was told to return it to you guys, and after it was examined and determined to be a knockoff, you forwarded it onto Brownells
I dont remember receiving a refund from Brownells, but I was moving around a lot at the time with not much time to chase down stuff like this, so I guess it just slipped through the cracks.

I don't hold swiss products responsible for any of this.

Latigo
01-25-2012, 8:08 AM
Well, I do. If one was sent there's no record of it coming back as un-deliverable. No matter now.
Send your mailing address and you'll get one now. I said "we" alot, but it was before Dad turned SP over to me to manage. One of the girls should definitely have sent you a mount. The notes I read on it said one of them did, but you'd know better than me.
Send your mailing address to swissproducts@centurytel.net and I'll personally make sure a mount is sent to you.

D-Man
01-25-2012, 8:15 AM
I noticed that Brownells says your bipod adapter is a discontinued item. Is that true? Was looking to pick one up soon after getting my scope mounted to my rifle.

harmoniums
01-25-2012, 8:19 AM
Well, I do. If one was sent there's no record of it coming back as un-deliverable. No matter now.
Send your mailing address and you'll get one now. I said "we" alot, but it was before Dad turned SP over to me to manage. One of the girls should definitely have sent you a mount. The notes I read on it said one of them did, but you'd know better than me.
Send your mailing address to swissproducts@centurytel.net and I'll personally make sure a mount is sent to you.


Latigo, I appreciate the sentiment, as I cant really remember one way or the other lets just call it all square.

Latigo
01-25-2012, 8:26 AM
Ok, but if you change your mind just let me know. That should have been one of those sent as free.

D-Man, Brownells doesn't carry our entire product line. Graf's does. Check here.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/search/keywords/Swiss+Products

Within a few weeks Simpsons will carry the full line too.

D-Man
01-25-2012, 9:55 AM
Ok, but if you change your mind just let me know. That should have been one of those sent as free.

D-Man, Brownells doesn't carry our entire product line. Graf's does. Check here.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/search/keywords/Swiss+Products

Within a few weeks Simpsons will carry the full line too.

Got it, thanks for the information.

sacto929
01-25-2012, 11:34 AM
Latigo,

Would you mind recommending a scope and bases for use with the K31 for those of us newbies to glass? The plan would be to use this out to 1,000 yds on paper and 500m on steel, for the time being.

Thanks!

johnclark
01-25-2012, 12:33 PM
Ok, but if you change your mind just let me know. That should have been one of those sent as free.

D-Man, Brownells doesn't carry our entire product line. Graf's does. Check here.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/search/keywords/Swiss+Products

Within a few weeks Simpsons will carry the full line too.
http://nanojpg.com/img/h/P.gif

Really help much. Thanks for this

http://nanojpg.com/img/5/R.gif

Latigo
01-25-2012, 1:28 PM
Sacto, any .22 caliber rings will work. We've never had a failure with those rings from Tasco type companys, but most of us here use the Millett Tikka rings. You do have to grind/file off the small nub on the bottom of the rear ring, but they're windage adjustable. I've never had to use that feature, but if you have an odd scope with a windage problem it sure makes a difference.

So.......... Why .22 rings? If you look at the overview up above you'll see that a wider mount rail would interfere with ejection on the left and skin your knuckles operating the bolt knob on the right.

There are two companys making mounts that are a Drill/Tap type that puts your scope right over the bore. Guess what happens with ejection? We have at least 6 prototypes here that followed that path a long time ago, and despite claims by those two mount makers, they do not allow for 100% ejection every time. And if you do eject forecfully enough to hit the deflector hard enough to clear the brass 100%, you're also going to have expensive brass with dents.

I've heard the arguements, I've seen the videos and I can tell you that SP has a reputation built on one premise. If we can't make it a first quality piece that functions flawlessly 100% of the time... we're not going to make it. Period.

Our LHO was some three+ years in the making. Our Diopters were turned down by the Swiss SSV for 7 years in a row and 7 prototypes ........... until....... Until we developed the Type P/S Diopter. Our distributor in Switzerland had been submitting these refused Diopters and the interesting thing is that they never were returned by the SSV board. Gee! Gollies! I wonder why that was? :D

Well, last fall we submitted the P/S, and they had no premise to turn it down. We beat the Germans, we beat the Swiss and gave them the world's first true 1,000 yard Diopter requiring no rail changes. We were accepted by the SSV as being approved for all Swiss Sanctioned matches world wide. :D
In all that time the Type P, PII and PIIC sold well here in the US and wre used successfully in competitions, but not in Switzerland. The P/S now sells well in Europe including Switzerland.

Seven long years Dad and his partner worked on that first Type P Diopter series, and to this day they work great out to 500 yards. I stil use mine.
So what was the question? Oh. Yeah...... Scopes. :D

All of us here are firm believers in compact, very low to the bore axis type scopes. We prefer fixed powers. 4, 6 or (as my Dad uses) a fixed 10 power to get to 1,000 with his own rifle.

Bear in mind that the larger the objective lens, the higher your head is thrown, and that requires a cheek pad just to get a solid weld. Without the right hold and cheek weld, you're wasting bullets downrange and you'll never develop a load that is 100% repeatable and dependable.

This is my idea of the perfect scope for the k31. Its a Leupold fixed 8. I know you won't find one of these anymore, but there are the fixed 6's. Whatever you buy, try to make it one you can get a good cheek weld with even with a riser if necessary.
The Bushnells and a raft of others in the $200 to $300 category will work fine. ..... Unless you're an armchair sniper and believe/follow all the hype.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/K31Mount004.jpg

sacto929
01-25-2012, 2:38 PM
Latigo,

Thank you so much for the info! I appreciate it a great deal. So, along with the compact scope, do you use the low height rings to get the scope right down to the bore axis? I am truly a noob when it comes to glass, so please forgive any dumb questions....

On a somewhat related subject, since you brought up the diopter sights :p , it seems to be about a push cost-wise, or maybe even a bit less expensive to go with the diopter sights versus the scope set up. Which do you prefer out to 1,000 yds? I have been shooting my 03A3 as-issued out to 800 yds with reasonable success for a noobie. I really appreciate the windage adjustments on the rear sight. My thinking related to scope vs diopter is related strongly to the desire for the ability to adjust for windage without having to break out a tool or use Kentucky windage. I realize that this is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison, but both setups would put me in the open class for the silhouette competition here and possibly (scope for sure) for the long range competition.

Thanks again.

Latigo
01-25-2012, 2:46 PM
It truly takes dedication to practice when shooting with a Diopter at real range. A scope is easier, but I've never cared for easier. All Swis competitions are open sights or Diopters only. No scopes. Ever.
The sense of accomplishment using your own loads and a Diopter is incredible. Anyone (pretty much) can master the scope in short order.
My feeling is that (for target shooting) once you master the Diopter, you're in true control of your k31. The windage and elevation clicks are 1/4moa. I prefer Diopters.

The rings should be as low as your objective lens will allow.

a1c
01-25-2012, 7:11 PM
My setup: a Leupold Scout scope.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad226/arnaudh/DSC_1825.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad226/arnaudh/DSC_1826.jpg

Justintoxicated
01-25-2012, 9:22 PM
does this scope mount leave marks on the original bluing?

Is there a reason to get steel over aluminum?

Latigo
01-26-2012, 2:25 AM
Its designed to leave no marks of any kind. We came out with the Steel mount about 4 years ago because of simple demand. None of us here at SP use the steel mount. There's no good reason to spend the extra money. The aluminum mount is made of the toughest aircraft aluminum on the market, and we've never had one fail.
Save the money and the weight. Use the aluminum mount.

And, A1C, that's a beautiful rifle and the perfect setup.